Aston Villa vs Stevenage Humiliation Post-Mortem

[Toronto Villa]

Arteta made 7 changes tonight to face a side a league above Stevenage. He has included a few younger players which Emery didn't do. Difference being they are taking care of business and we didn't. That's on the players. Our side was good enough to beat a league two opponent.

[Bad English]

So they are implementing the manager's tactics and game plan.aftet being chosen by the aforementioned to do so?  Marvellous!

[villadelph]

Arteta made 7 changes tonight to face a side a league above Stevenage. He has included a few younger players which Emery didn't do. Difference being they are taking care of business and we didn't. That's on the players. Our side was good enough to beat a league two opponent.

100%.

I have full faith in Emery.

[amfy]

All the talk of ‘in game management’ misses the fact that we lost the game in the last few minutes.

If Stevenage had gone a goal up, or even equalised, with half an hour to go, we probably would have won.

We should have had the game sewn up well before the last few minutes. As for the second paragraph: speculation, your honour!

I don’t disagree that we should have had it sewn up by then, but plenty of games are won by one goal, and he actually had made changes to bring on more first choice players, who sadly remained as complacent as the ones he took off.

As for ‘speculation’, that’s why my sentence includes the word ‘probably’, but an earlier comeback from them might well have dealt with that complacency.

[RamboandBruno]

I dread to think of what this site would have been like today had Gerrard been manager yesterday - I think the current manager is getting off relatively lightly as his "in game management" was woeful - as poor as anything Slippy G presided over - in fact he was sacked for less
I have witnessed many poorer performances during my 60+ years of supporting the Villa but not felt this utterly embarrassed at being humiliated at home by a lower league side.
As for the post match statement - isn't that what he is paid for - i.e. motivation
 

Im sorry Gerrard had more or less 12 months of more or less shite performances and cringeworthy man management. Yesterday was dreadful, but  Emery has had 6/7 games in which we’ve beaten an in form Man United for the first time in 27 years, an in form Brighton and a top 4 Spurs side away. Absolutely zero comparison, none.

[coreyfeldman]

So they are implementing the manager's tactics and game plan.aftet being chosen by the aforementioned to do so?  Marvellous!

He's been here for 3 months like

[coreyfeldman]

[Villa being Villa in the FA cup but you don't expect it at home against Stevenage . The manager and half hearted players need to have a complete rethink .

Let's not forget the shambolic first half against Wolves this week.

We're going backwards

3 wins out of 5 is not backwards though is it

[Martyn Smith]

I felt it should have been a yellow card and a free-kick outside the area for the shirt pull.

The ref did award a free kick first but then quickly changed his mind to a penalty. I can only guess that he decided to play advantage whilst their man was still on his feet.

We can argue about penalties, free kicks, red cards all we like, at the end of the day it's angels on pinheads IMV. If you defend and foul like that in that area you're asking for trouble

[alanclare]

I dread to think of what this site would have been like today had Gerrard been manager yesterday - I think the current manager is getting off relatively lightly as his "in game management" was woeful - as poor as anything Slippy G presided over - in fact he was sacked for less
I have witnessed many poorer performances during my 60+ years of supporting the Villa but not felt this utterly embarrassed at being humiliated at home by a lower league side.
As for the post match statement - isn't that what he is paid for - i.e. motivation
 

Absolutely. Spot on. Couldn’t agree more.

[PaulWinch again]

I dread to think of what this site would have been like today had Gerrard been manager yesterday - I think the current manager is getting off relatively lightly as his "in game management" was woeful - as poor as anything Slippy G presided over - in fact he was sacked for less
I have witnessed many poorer performances during my 60+ years of supporting the Villa but not felt this utterly embarrassed at being humiliated at home by a lower league side.
As for the post match statement - isn't that what he is paid for - i.e. motivation
 

Im sorry Gerrard had more or less 12 months of more or less shite performances and cringeworthy man management. Yesterday was dreadful, but  Emery has had 6/7 games in which we’ve beaten an in form Man United for the first time in 27 years, an in form Brighton and a top 4 Spurs side away. Absolutely zero comparison, none.

Yes I understand the frustration with the result, it was terrible, but I think some are trying to read too much into and draw wider conclusions that aren’t there.

[Bad English]

So they are implementing the manager's tactics and game plan.aftet being chosen by the aforementioned to do so?  Marvellous!

He's been here for 3 months like

Indeed. And he has regularly mentioned how he has been working on tactics, roles, instructions and strategy. I'd expect experienced footballers to be getting to grips with that, especially against 4th division sides.

[eamonn]

So they are implementing the manager's tactics and game plan.aftet being chosen by the aforementioned to do so?  Marvellous!

He's been here for 3 months like

Two months.

[Drummond]

I felt it should have been a yellow card and a free-kick outside the area for the shirt pull.

The ref did award a free kick first but then quickly changed his mind to a penalty. I can only guess that he decided to play advantage whilst their man was still on his feet.

We can argue about penalties, free kicks, red cards all we like, at the end of the day it's angels on pinheads IMV. If you defend and foul like that in that area you're asking for trouble

I was just intrigued, hence the initial question. Just to be clear, I'm not using it as an excuse or complaining about it either. It doesn't take anything away from Stevenage, they won fair and square.

[coreyfeldman]

So they are implementing the manager's tactics and game plan.aftet being chosen by the aforementioned to do so?  Marvellous!

He's been here for 3 months like

Indeed. And he has regularly mentioned how he has been working on tactics, roles, instructions and strategy. I'd expect experienced footballers to be getting to grips with that, especially against 4th division sides.

That's on the players then isn't it. I think the idea that a manager walks into a club mid season, when the team is in a mess, and immediately everything just clicks is just fucking stupid. We've clearly improved overall, and there seems to to be a lack of ability to understand that teams aren't built immediately.
He hasn't got a single of his signings in the team yet, there isn't a manager alive who would click his fingers and get perfect performances from them straight away.
Even if emery had given zero tactics before Sunday, I'd expect international players to dispatch a 4th division side, it's mostly on them.

I'm also sick of hearing "He's meant to be a cup specialist"
Personally, I'm in no immediate rush to get European football, wolves and west ham are good examples of why not. Building a top 8 team is tricky and requires time. Sunday was fucking gash, but can we try and start putting a bit more faith in the manager, we've got a good one for the first time in a fucking lifetime

[KevinGage]

I'd be quite happy with European football next season, thanks all the same.

And If managers aren't really accountable and it's all on the players maybe we should save £6 million a year and not have one.

Get the kitman to pick the side. Or run a poll on Birmingham Live.

Emery's previous record deserves respect.

But during his tenure with us he's picked the wrong side in both domestic cup competitions. And it's what he does with us that matters.

History teaches us that the truly successful Villa managers or the ones touched by genius don't have their names associated with shockers like Sunday.  That's normally the preserve of shitehawks like DOL, Lamberk and so on.