January 2023 Transfer Rumours, Discussions and Done Deals Thread

[LeeB]

I cannot see how it’s conceivably possible that Chelsea stay clear of FFP despite trying to get round the amortisation rules.

I read something about that, and it's not quite as insane as it looks. I think it was Keiran Maguire who posted it.

If Chelsea spend 300m (demonstrative figure, not meant to be accurate) on players, on 7 year contracts, and write them down at 40m plus a bit a year, they also have the likes of Gallagher, Hudson-Odoi, Loftus-Cheek as homegrown players, all of whom they could sell for big money, which would be accounted for against that year on year spend.

So, they sell Gallagher to Everton for 45m, that's one of those 7 years in the example accounted for.

The bit that confuses me is when do the three year periods start and end to be evaluated? They had the transfer embargo too but that three year period wouldn't cover the players they're signing now with those contracts.

[kippaxvilla2]

Jonathan David.......?
Conor Gallagher...?

What about them?

[pauliewalnuts]

I cannot see how it’s conceivably possible that Chelsea stay clear of FFP despite trying to get round the amortisation rules.

I read something about that, and it's not quite as insane as it looks. I think it was Keiran Maguire who posted it.

If Chelsea spend 300m (demonstrative figure, not meant to be accurate) on players, on 7 year contracts, and write them down at 40m plus a bit a year, they also have the likes of Gallagher, Hudson-Odoi, Loftus-Cheek as homegrown players, all of whom they could sell for big money, which would be accounted for against that year on year spend.

So, they sell Gallagher to Everton for 45m, that's one of those 7 years in the example accounted for.

The bit that confuses me is when do the three year periods start and end to be evaluated? They had the transfer embargo too but that three year period wouldn't cover the players they're signing now with those contracts.

I think that's the bit that they reckon is going to get looked at (going on what I read yesterday) - clearly, they've found a way to get around it, and that's going to attract attention.

I think the general point about Chelsea is that yeah, their spending is fucking insane (not just the figures involved but the scattergun approach to targets) but they are also doing something at the other end of the scale, ie the home-grown players.

I just hope all these 7 year contract signings do a Bogarde on them and spend 2026-30 sat at home doing jack shit for 200k a week.

[pauliewalnuts]

Jonathan David.......?
Conor Gallagher...?

Billy Corkhill
Vince Hilaire

[kippaxvilla2]

As an aside if I have to put my fence back up one more time.

[Mr Diggles]

The other thing to worry about for Chelsea fans is that, by using such long-dated contracts and therefore spreading the high costs over years, you may well avoid FFP problems NOW, but you are also tapping into the club's transfer capacity in the FUTURE too.

So 4 or 5 or 6 years from now they will have a budget of £xm to spend in that year, but £30m (or whatever) is still being gobbled up by Fernandez, the Ukrainian etc etc etc. And there's no guarantee that they will be successful over that period either.

It's very reminiscent of how Barcelona got into trouble in a way - look at how they still owed Liverpool outstanding transfer fees for Coutinho when he joined Villa.

[Drummond]

Jonathan David.......?
Conor Gallagher...?

What about them?

There are rumours about both. Would we be happy that they are upgrades?

[PaulWinch again]

Jonathan David.......?
Conor Gallagher...?

What about them?

There are rumours about both. Would we be happy that they are upgrades?

Yes to both, particularly David. But I think there’s probably little chance on that.

[SoccerHQ]

We're moaning but Everton seem to be doing a good impression of us in Jan 2016 window, are they actually going to sign anyone?

One of worst set of attackers in the league, sold Gordon and barely been linked to anyone since Danjuma did the dirty on them.

[Dave]

Jonathan David.......?
Conor Gallagher...?

What about them?

There are rumours about both. Would we be happy that they are upgrades?

Rumours where?

[Risso]

I cannot see how it’s conceivably possible that Chelsea stay clear of FFP despite trying to get round the amortisation rules.

I read something about that, and it's not quite as insane as it looks. I think it was Keiran Maguire who posted it.

If Chelsea spend 300m (demonstrative figure, not meant to be accurate) on players, on 7 year contracts, and write them down at 40m plus a bit a year, they also have the likes of Gallagher, Hudson-Odoi, Loftus-Cheek as homegrown players, all of whom they could sell for big money, which would be accounted for against that year on year spend.

So, they sell Gallagher to Everton for 45m, that's one of those 7 years in the example accounted for.

Yep, I saw that. The thing is, it gives them no wriggle room whatsoever in the future, and to my mind doesn't account for the big increase in wages either. It's like maxing out your credit card now and hoping you can still afford it in 5 years time. If we were to buy a player now for £40m (ridiculous and over the top hypothetical situation I know, but bear with me) on a 4 year contract, then it's £10m a year amortisation, and come what may it's pretty well all done or dusted after those four years. With Chelsea, if they've spent £500m and the average contract length is 6 years, then in years 5 to 6 they're still being whacked by £80m+ amortisation a year, which will make it much harder to sign players as they go on. Their only hope is to keep developing players like Gallagher and hoping they sell for big money, which comes with a pressure of its own.

[Risso]

Jonathan David.......?
Conor Gallagher...?

What about them?

There are rumours about both. Would we be happy that they are upgrades?

Rumours where?

Gallagher - Everton forums
David - one made up account on Twitter that's not even as believable as Football Insider, ie a spotty virgin with 500 followers

[LeeB]

The other thing to worry about for Chelsea fans is that, by using such long-dated contracts and therefore spreading the high costs over years, you may well avoid FFP problems NOW, but you are also tapping into the club's transfer capacity in the FUTURE too.

So 4 or 5 or 6 years from now they will have a budget of £xm to spend in that year, but £30m (or whatever) is still being gobbled up by Fernandez, the Ukrainian etc etc etc. And there's no guarantee that they will be successful over that period either.

It's very reminiscent of how Barcelona got into trouble in a way - look at how they still owed Liverpool outstanding transfer fees for Coutinho when he joined Villa.

It also underlines to the youngsters they have coming through that they're merely there to be fattened and then sold to counterbalance this (Hi Chuk!)

[SamTheMouse]

Jonathan David.......?
Conor Gallagher...?

Billy Corkhill
Vince Hilaire

Ginger Rogers, dance on air.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

For some reason that squad scares me.

It does make you wonder where the goals are going to come from. Maybe Emery's plan for the second half of the season is for us to be free kick and corner specialists?