January 2023 Transfer Rumours, Discussions and Done Deals Thread

[Smithy]

If we let Ings go then we’ll need to replace him which will cost a huge amount. Then you need a willing seller and a player of that quality willing to move in January to a mid table PL side. Considering most quality forwards are involved in some sort of trophy challenge with their current clubs I doubt very much if any club will be making a signing of this nature this month.
You never know but it’s highly unlikely.

What I'd love, is a centre-forward signed out of the blue in January, who goes on to do better than anyone expected. I want another John Carew.

[Smithy]

Send Archer on loan
Sell Ings for £15-20m
Loan Felix from Atletico

Doesn’t solve any long term problems but I’d take money for Ings whilst he’s young enough to attract decent offers.  We’d have a better idea exactly how good Archer is and its not often a player like Felix is available (plus he’s almost certain to fall in love with the club).

The thing with Archer is that we already know he's good enough to play up front as a first-choice striker in the Championship. He proved that at Preston last year. I worry that another loan at Championship level, at 21, means Emery doesn't fancy him.  I hope I'm wrong, as the lad has clearly shown plenty of ability in the fleeting first-team chances he's been given.  I genuinely hope this is about him having another 6 months of experience under his belt and being ready to step up in the summer, than it is about being a step closer to the exit.

[AlexAlexCropley]

Interesting to note Evan Ferguson played for Brighton and scored against Everton.He's 18.Sarmiento who assisted is 20.

[Dante Lavelli]

Send Archer on loan
Sell Ings for £15-20m
Loan Felix from Atletico

Doesn’t solve any long term problems but I’d take money for Ings whilst he’s young enough to attract decent offers.  We’d have a better idea exactly how good Archer is and its not often a player like Felix is available (plus he’s almost certain to fall in love with the club).

The thing with Archer is that we already know he's good enough to play up front as a first-choice striker in the Championship. He proved that at Preston last year. I worry that another loan at Championship level, at 21, means Emery doesn't fancy him.  I hope I'm wrong, as the lad has clearly shown plenty of ability in the fleeting first-team chances he's been given.  I genuinely hope this is about him having another 6 months of experience under his belt and being ready to step up in the summer, than it is about being a step closer to the exit.

I was thinking more that his form could influence who the Ings replacement might be.  If Archer scored say 10+ goals then we have more latitude to take risks (a random from South America).  If he flops then we might be wise to sign a ‘safer’ option or to spend more money.

[pauliewalnuts]

Send Archer on loan
Sell Ings for £15-20m
Loan Felix from Atletico

Doesn’t solve any long term problems but I’d take money for Ings whilst he’s young enough to attract decent offers.  We’d have a better idea exactly how good Archer is and its not often a player like Felix is available (plus he’s almost certain to fall in love with the club).

The thing with Archer is that we already know he's good enough to play up front as a first-choice striker in the Championship. He proved that at Preston last year. I worry that another loan at Championship level, at 21, means Emery doesn't fancy him.  I hope I'm wrong, as the lad has clearly shown plenty of ability in the fleeting first-team chances he's been given.  I genuinely hope this is about him having another 6 months of experience under his belt and being ready to step up in the summer, than it is about being a step closer to the exit.

Maybe he isn't good enough at this level?

I know we're not supposed to say that, but it's entirely possible - if Emery doesn't give him a chance and Gerrard didn't either, maybe there's something in it (see also: Sanson, Guilbert).

[Smithy]

Send Archer on loan
Sell Ings for £15-20m
Loan Felix from Atletico

Doesn’t solve any long term problems but I’d take money for Ings whilst he’s young enough to attract decent offers.  We’d have a better idea exactly how good Archer is and its not often a player like Felix is available (plus he’s almost certain to fall in love with the club).

The thing with Archer is that we already know he's good enough to play up front as a first-choice striker in the Championship. He proved that at Preston last year. I worry that another loan at Championship level, at 21, means Emery doesn't fancy him.  I hope I'm wrong, as the lad has clearly shown plenty of ability in the fleeting first-team chances he's been given.  I genuinely hope this is about him having another 6 months of experience under his belt and being ready to step up in the summer, than it is about being a step closer to the exit.

Maybe he isn't good enough at this level?

I know we're not supposed to say that, but it's entirely possible - if Emery doesn't give him a chance and Gerrard didn't either, maybe there's something in it (see also: Sanson, Guilbert).

Entirely possible. There is simply no way that all the promising youngsters we've got at the minute will be good enough for our first team, it's probably a million-to-one chance that in two years our first time will regularly include KKH, Chrisene, both Ramseys, Iroegbunam, Archer and Barry. One or two of those being decent squad players would be amazing. The one thing Cam has in his favour is that when he's played in the first team he's done well, and when he's gone on loan he's shined (so far).

One thing we can probably safely say is that if Emery rated him very highly, he would probably have had a chance in the side by now, and would likely have been kept around for the cup game.  Currently he's behind Watkins, Bailey and Ings, which means zero pitch time, realistically.  I hope this is about the development of a future first-team player, rather than simply increasing the value of an asset to move on in the summer.  If he gets the same number of goals for Boro as he did for Preston, he'd easily be worth £10m+ next summer.  Maybe more.

[algy]

Daily Mail (won't post a link as I'd rather not give them any more exposure than necessary) reporting that we're "keeping tabs" on Alberto Moleiro, some attacking midfielder type from Las Palmas.  19 years old, been playing regularly for them in the Spanish 2nd tier since the start of last season.

[boozey182]

Send Archer on loan
Sell Ings for £15-20m
Loan Felix from Atletico

Doesn’t solve any long term problems but I’d take money for Ings whilst he’s young enough to attract decent offers.  We’d have a better idea exactly how good Archer is and its not often a player like Felix is available (plus he’s almost certain to fall in love with the club).

The thing with Archer is that we already know he's good enough to play up front as a first-choice striker in the Championship. He proved that at Preston last year. I worry that another loan at Championship level, at 21, means Emery doesn't fancy him.  I hope I'm wrong, as the lad has clearly shown plenty of ability in the fleeting first-team chances he's been given.  I genuinely hope this is about him having another 6 months of experience under his belt and being ready to step up in the summer, than it is about being a step closer to the exit.

Maybe he isn't good enough at this level?

I know we're not supposed to say that, but it's entirely possible - if Emery doesn't give him a chance and Gerrard didn't either, maybe there's something in it (see also: Sanson, Guilbert).

While that could be the case, of course, I think Cam is a victim of circumstance. He shone in the cup under Dean, but Dean quickly came under pressure and was struggling with getting Ings and Watkins working together, so he wasn't really in a position to play Cam very often. He did bring him on at 0-0 away at Old Trafford, so he clearly wanted him to be involved. Gerrard sent him on loan, which was a good decision, and Cam did brilliantly at Preston. It can't be easy to be dropped into a team halfway through a season when you haven't played many professional games, but they loved him there. Then in the summer he was great for England U21s, and had a promising pre-season. Again, though, we had a manager that was instantly under pressure and not willing to pin his hopes to a relatively unproven young player. I get it, but keeping him and not using him was the worst thing for Cam.

Now we have Emery, he's in a similar position to Gerrard last year - a promising young player that hasn't played much football for 6 months. He needs minutes and goals, so a loan makes the most sense. Hopefully, Cam will do really well again and Emery can have another look at him in the summer. It seems likely that one of our first team strikers could leave, if not now in the summer, and I would imagine we'll invest in a new player to start up front at some point. So we could start the season with New player, Watkins/Ings and Cam as our options up front. You would hope that Emery will be secure enough in his position to trust him a bit more. And maybe we'll be controlling games so that we can bring him on for half an hour here and there much more often, starting in the cup and putting the first teamers under pressure. If we're looking to send him on loan again this time next year, then something has gone wrong.

[Matt C]

His loan to Middlesbrough confirmed now. Best of luck to him - joining a club on the up, a coach he knows and with the season not even half done yet. Imagine our forward department will look very different by the time he returns which will be his chance to breakthrough.

[Villafirst]

 Why the rush to push Archer out of the door to Middlesbrough now? We haven't got many striker options. An injury to Watkins or Ings now will mean one fit striker left. I hope a striker is incoming soon.
 

[OCD]

Surprised there's nothing on here about Alberto Moreno today. It sounded like things were quite far along last night from what I was reading.

[chrisw1]

Why the rush to push Archer out of the door to Middlesbrough now? We haven't got many striker options. An injury to Watkins or Ings now will mean one fit striker left. I hope a striker is incoming soon.
 

Because Bailey is also playing up front, so it's still two from three even without a replacement.

Cam is 21 now.  I felt keeping him around was the right call but it hasn't worked out for him and gametime now has to be the priority for all concerned

[Dave P]

Why the rush to push Archer out of the door to Middlesbrough now? We haven't got many striker options. An injury to Watkins or Ings now will mean one fit striker left. I hope a striker is incoming soon.
 

To give him game time.  There is no way he is getting many minutes with us this season barring a catastrophic injury crisis. 

[Toronto Villa]

Why the rush to push Archer out of the door to Middlesbrough now? We haven't got many striker options. An injury to Watkins or Ings now will mean one fit striker left. I hope a striker is incoming soon.
 

He’s not being pushed out though is he? He’s being given an opportunity to get playing time at a club that is doing well in the Championship. He’s not broken through now under 2 managers, and while very talented still has lots of room to develop. This is really good for him and hopefully he goes and scores a load of goals and comes back to compete with our first team in August.

[PaulWinch again]

Is Moreno the former Liverpool player?