January 2023 Transfer Rumours, Discussions and Done Deals Thread

[Percy McCarthy]

To keep someone "at all costs" is stupid.

So is the idea that we should "stop selling our best players" without considering the consequences when we are in the best position we have ever been to repurpose the funds effectively.

Selling your best players means that you never move up a level.  Other players want to play with better players, not average shit that we have purchased 90% of the time.  Emi and Kamara are world class players, bring in more world class players to support them.

Not true.

We sold Grealish and moved.up a level.

No we didn’t. We purchased three players who have struggled for one reason or another & sacked the manager for not being able to get a team to work. Then got lumbered with Gerrard, got worse on the pitch, sacked him & now we finally appear to have hired an actual football manager who seems to know what he is doing. That had nothing to do with Grealish being sold.

So you're saying the three players we bought with the Grealish money have worked out improving the squad

I thought that’s what you were saying?

[bob]

I understand Bob’s logic but its not something the club should engineer, in fact the opposite should be the case. 

However, I do think there are occasions where selling a crown jewel is an opportunity to grow the club, it just has to be for stupid money or on the club’s terms.  For example, we arguably have too many CMs and too few wingers so could see a situation where McGinn is jettisoned if the price was right.  A more extreme example is Brighton; they’ve made it their USP to allow players to leave once agreed KPIs are achieved, consequently they can attract a higher calibre of player.

Selling David Platt helped put together the best side most Villa fans have ever seen.

[paul_e]

No you're projecting

I'm not sure you know what projecting means you tedious bore.

[bob]

To keep someone "at all costs" is stupid.

So is the idea that we should "stop selling our best players" without considering the consequences when we are in the best position we have ever been to repurpose the funds effectively.

Selling your best players means that you never move up a level.  Other players want to play with better players, not average shit that we have purchased 90% of the time.  Emi and Kamara are world class players, bring in more world class players to support them.

Not true.

We sold Grealish and moved.up a level.

No we didn’t. We purchased three players who have struggled for one reason or another & sacked the manager for not being able to get a team to work. Then got lumbered with Gerrard, got worse on the pitch, sacked him & now we finally appear to have hired an actual football manager who seems to know what he is doing. That had nothing to do with Grealish being sold.

So you're saying the three players we bought with the Grealish money have worked out improving the squad

I thought that’s what you were saying?

Yes!

[markeeeebeeee2005]

Selling your best players is NEVER a good thing. No matter how much icing you put on it. Things can improve after that but it’s not because you sold your best players. That’s just stupid.

Buy better players than the ones currently in your squad and then sell those who aren’t up to it. We’re not exactly on the breadline.

[Toronto Villa]

We didn’t move up a level. You can argue that has we done things right with the money we received we should have improved. We simply haven’t. Doesn’t mean that we can’t still get something out of the three players we bought but to say we moved up a level suggests we went from mid table to Europe. That didn’t happen.

[Drummond]

Back to current window I've seen in the Italian and champions league a Striker Victor Osimhen is at Napoli and appears to be a fantastic  who would be a great addition up front. Kvaratskhelia is another at Napoli I scouted and think he would bring some entertainment and flair to compliment Bailey on either side.

There are several other players who could do well in Emery's system like Lo Celso, but these are the players that some of us here may be familiar with seeing them play in the world cup, so I wanted to bring them into discussion now the windows opened.

I predict these will all improve in coming seasons wherever they move so would be great addition and wise for Villa to move for them.
Livakovic
Gvardiol
Amrabat
Mitoma
Kvaratskhelia
Osimhen
Thuram
Felix

Is this that scouting report you were on about?

[bob]

We didn’t move up a level. You can argue that has we done things right with the money we received we should have improved. We simply haven’t. Doesn’t mean that we can’t still get something out of the three players we bought but to say we moved up a level suggests we went from mid table to Europe. That didn’t happen.

It doesn't suggest that at all they are merely your own subjective levels

[Toronto Villa]

Prove that we moved up a level after we sold Grealish. In any way shape or form. What data do you have that shows that? Because all I can see is lower league positions, millions wasted on players and 2 managers.

[paul_e]

We didn’t move up a level. You can argue that has we done things right with the money we received we should have improved. We simply haven’t. Doesn’t mean that we can’t still get something out of the three players we bought but to say we moved up a level suggests we went from mid table to Europe. That didn’t happen.

It doesn't suggest that at all they are merely your own subjective levels

Position in the league is literally the most objective measure of a team that exists, you really need to learn what words mean.

[Percy McCarthy]

To keep someone "at all costs" is stupid.

So is the idea that we should "stop selling our best players" without considering the consequences when we are in the best position we have ever been to repurpose the funds effectively.

Selling your best players means that you never move up a level.  Other players want to play with better players, not average shit that we have purchased 90% of the time.  Emi and Kamara are world class players, bring in more world class players to support them.

Not true.

We sold Grealish and moved.up a level.

No we didn’t. We purchased three players who have struggled for one reason or another & sacked the manager for not being able to get a team to work. Then got lumbered with Gerrard, got worse on the pitch, sacked him & now we finally appear to have hired an actual football manager who seems to know what he is doing. That had nothing to do with Grealish being sold.

So you're saying the three players we bought with the Grealish money have worked out improving the squad

I thought that’s what you were saying?

Yes!

But it obviously isn’t what he’s saying.

[bob]

We didn’t move up a level. You can argue that has we done things right with the money we received we should have improved. We simply haven’t. Doesn’t mean that we can’t still get something out of the three players we bought but to say we moved up a level suggests we went from mid table to Europe. That didn’t happen.

It doesn't suggest that at all they are merely your own subjective levels

Position in the league is literally the most objective measure of a team that exists, you really need to learn what words mean.

Allowing the inevitable own goal I might point out that using both tedious with bore is somewhat redundant

[bob]

To keep someone "at all costs" is stupid.

So is the idea that we should "stop selling our best players" without considering the consequences when we are in the best position we have ever been to repurpose the funds effectively.

Selling your best players means that you never move up a level.  Other players want to play with better players, not average shit that we have purchased 90% of the time.  Emi and Kamara are world class players, bring in more world class players to support them.

Not true.

We sold Grealish and moved.up a level.

No we didn’t. We purchased three players who have struggled for one reason or another & sacked the manager for not being able to get a team to work. Then got lumbered with Gerrard, got worse on the pitch, sacked him & now we finally appear to have hired an actual football manager who seems to know what he is doing. That had nothing to do with Grealish being sold.

So you're saying the three players we bought with the Grealish money have worked out improving the squad

I thought that’s what you were saying?

Yes!

But it obviously isn’t what he’s saying.

Depends what you think of those players now. I think they look pretty good.

[Toronto Villa]

Bob, you couldn’t be any more wrong on this and yet you are choosing a really odd hill to die on. Other than your opinion, the very definition of subjectivity, you’ve not provided one shred of detail that backs up your assertion that post Grealish we went “up a level”. Nothing at all. If it’s your opinion so be it. But to convince others when the data is staring us all squarely in the face is beyond bizarre.

Those players might be good but they themselves didn’t propel us to a new level. And on their own they certainly won’t. We didn’t waste £100m but we didn’t use it to do what you are suggesting we did.

[Clampy]

We didn't go up a level. We wouldn't have sacked two mangers otherwise.