January 2023 Transfer Rumours, Discussions and Done Deals Thread

[Brazilian Villain]

No thanks. Pickford is vastly overrated. His face irritates me as well. Infinitely punchable.

i think you want a keeper to be a calming influence, he doesn’t strike me as that

I agree with Pablo but that as well. The exaggerated 'geeing up' thing he does after making a save also gets on my nerves.

[Dante Lavelli]

I understand Bob’s logic but its not something the club should engineer, in fact the opposite should be the case. 

However, I do think there are occasions where selling a crown jewel is an opportunity to grow the club, it just has to be for stupid money or on the club’s terms.  For example, we arguably have too many CMs and too few wingers so could see a situation where McGinn is jettisoned if the price was right.  A more extreme example is Brighton; they’ve made it their USP to allow players to leave once agreed KPIs are achieved, consequently they can attract a higher calibre of player.

[Paul.S]

I don’t think Pickford is a bad keeper at all. He’s not on a level with Martinez but he’s not a bad choice for clubs looking for a new keeper. His downside is his lack of height compared to the modern day giant but he’s definitely capable.
It’d be the end of his international career if he came here though, as long as Southgate stays in his job.

[paul_e]

To keep someone "at all costs" is stupid.

So is the idea that we should "stop selling our best players" without considering the consequences when we are in the best position we have ever been to repurpose the funds effectively.

Selling your best players means that you never move up a level.  Other players want to play with better players, not average shit that we have purchased 90% of the time.  Emi and Kamara are world class players, bring in more world class players to support them.

Not true.

We sold Grealish and moved.up a level.

Can you explain the exact ways we've moved up a level in the last 18 months?

Oh and on the debate, Pickford is miles short of Martinez, one is one of the best keepers in the world right now (certainly in the top 5), the other was only in the England team because of loyalty and should really be 3rd choice at best.

[Toronto Villa]

To keep someone "at all costs" is stupid.

So is the idea that we should "stop selling our best players" without considering the consequences when we are in the best position we have ever been to repurpose the funds effectively.

Selling your best players means that you never move up a level.  Other players want to play with better players, not average shit that we have purchased 90% of the time.  Emi and Kamara are world class players, bring in more world class players to support them.

Not true.

We sold Grealish and moved.up a level.

Did we fuck. We sold Grealish and between Smith and Gerrard screamed backwards. If you want to understand moving up a level look at Arsenal and Newcastle.

[bob]

To keep someone "at all costs" is stupid.

So is the idea that we should "stop selling our best players" without considering the consequences when we are in the best position we have ever been to repurpose the funds effectively.

Selling your best players means that you never move up a level.  Other players want to play with better players, not average shit that we have purchased 90% of the time.  Emi and Kamara are world class players, bring in more world class players to support them.

Not true.

We sold Grealish and moved.up a level.

Can you explain the exact ways we've moved up a level in the last 18 months?

Oh and on the debate, Pickford is miles short of Martinez, one is one of the best keepers in the world right now (certainly in the top 5), the other was only in the England team because of loyalty and should really be 3rd choice at best.

It's easy you can just look at the squad

[paul_e]

To keep someone "at all costs" is stupid.

So is the idea that we should "stop selling our best players" without considering the consequences when we are in the best position we have ever been to repurpose the funds effectively.

Selling your best players means that you never move up a level.  Other players want to play with better players, not average shit that we have purchased 90% of the time.  Emi and Kamara are world class players, bring in more world class players to support them.

Not true.

We sold Grealish and moved.up a level.

Can you explain the exact ways we've moved up a level in the last 18 months?

Oh and on the debate, Pickford is miles short of Martinez, one is one of the best keepers in the world right now (certainly in the top 5), the other was only in the England team because of loyalty and should really be 3rd choice at best.

It's easy you can just look at the squad

so the squad we have now is entirely because we sold Grelaish and we couldn't possibly have improved it to a similar degree if he'd stayed? Also 'up a level' would suggest in terms of performance and results more than anything, and we're just now, on our 3rd manager since he left, back to where we were 18 months ago, and that has a lot more to do with us bringing in a top class manager than it does with having sold Grealish.

[pablo_picasso]

To keep someone "at all costs" is stupid.

So is the idea that we should "stop selling our best players" without considering the consequences when we are in the best position we have ever been to repurpose the funds effectively.

Selling your best players means that you never move up a level.  Other players want to play with better players, not average shit that we have purchased 90% of the time.  Emi and Kamara are world class players, bring in more world class players to support them.

Not true.

We sold Grealish and moved.up a level.

No we didn’t. We purchased three players who have struggled for one reason or another & sacked the manager for not being able to get a team to work. Then got lumbered with Gerrard, got worse on the pitch, sacked him & now we finally appear to have hired an actual football manager who seems to know what he is doing. That had nothing to do with Grealish being sold.

[ChicagoLion]

Greasy leaving set us back at least 18 months and we are only just recovering.
Partly due to making some poor decisions.
I don’t see how any one can think we moved up.

[john e]

To keep someone "at all costs" is stupid.

So is the idea that we should "stop selling our best players" without considering the consequences when we are in the best position we have ever been to repurpose the funds effectively.

Selling your best players means that you never move up a level.  Other players want to play with better players, not average shit that we have purchased 90% of the time.  Emi and Kamara are world class players, bring in more world class players to support them.

Not true.

We sold Grealish and moved.up a level.

Now you are talking bo lacks

[Clark W Griswold]

He’s got to be on a wind up surely?

[bob]

To keep someone "at all costs" is stupid.

So is the idea that we should "stop selling our best players" without considering the consequences when we are in the best position we have ever been to repurpose the funds effectively.

Selling your best players means that you never move up a level.  Other players want to play with better players, not average shit that we have purchased 90% of the time.  Emi and Kamara are world class players, bring in more world class players to support them.

Not true.

We sold Grealish and moved.up a level.

No we didn’t. We purchased three players who have struggled for one reason or another & sacked the manager for not being able to get a team to work. Then got lumbered with Gerrard, got worse on the pitch, sacked him & now we finally appear to have hired an actual football manager who seems to know what he is doing. That had nothing to do with Grealish being sold.

So you're saying the three players we bought with the Grealish money have worked out improving the squad

[bob]

To keep someone "at all costs" is stupid.

So is the idea that we should "stop selling our best players" without considering the consequences when we are in the best position we have ever been to repurpose the funds effectively.

Selling your best players means that you never move up a level.  Other players want to play with better players, not average shit that we have purchased 90% of the time.  Emi and Kamara are world class players, bring in more world class players to support them.

Not true.

We sold Grealish and moved.up a level.

Can you explain the exact ways we've moved up a level in the last 18 months?

Oh and on the debate, Pickford is miles short of Martinez, one is one of the best keepers in the world right now (certainly in the top 5), the other was only in the England team because of loyalty and should really be 3rd choice at best.

It's easy you can just look at the squad

so the squad we have now is entirely because we sold Grelaish and we couldn't possibly have improved it to a similar degree if he'd stayed? Also 'up a level' would suggest in terms of performance and results more than anything, and we're just now, on our 3rd manager since he left, back to where we were 18 months ago, and that has a lot more to do with us bringing in a top class manager than it does with having sold Grealish.

No you're projecting

[bob]

Greasy leaving set us back at least 18 months and we are only just recovering.
Partly due to making some poor decisions.
I don’t see how any one can think we moved up.

I'm not saying the leveling up will be instant

[bob]

To keep someone "at all costs" is stupid.

So is the idea that we should "stop selling our best players" without considering the consequences when we are in the best position we have ever been to repurpose the funds effectively.

Selling your best players means that you never move up a level.  Other players want to play with better players, not average shit that we have purchased 90% of the time.  Emi and Kamara are world class players, bring in more world class players to support them.

Not true.

We sold Grealish and moved.up a level.

Now you are talking bo lacks

What about FFP though, John?