Quote from: brontebilly on May 29, 2024, 10:40:06 PMQuote from: john e on May 29, 2024, 09:55:26 AMMcGinn was Bruce’s only redeeming featureHe did take us to within 90 mins of a return to the PL before McGinn joined. We would have gone straight back down, mind. He was a decent appointment at the time, exposing the fraud that was Ross McCormack was when our recovery from free fall started. Should take more credit for getting Grealish back on track tooEveryone likes Deano but it's small margins really. Gets us up via the playoffs (I'm not sure we played all that much better v Derby than we did v Fulham the previous year). Should that team in our first season back have been anywhere near a relegation battle to the final day? (Grealish, McGinn, Mings et al). Some disastrous signings like Jota and Drinkwater and tactically we were a rabble really for a lot of that season. Gerrard despite a good start always seemed a very bad mistake and so it proved. It's been a mad 7 years since McCormack-gate!Sigh.We came up via play offs and had no time to plan. Not knowing if Grealish would stay. Not knowing for sure if McGinn, Mings, AEG and Taylor could hack it at this level over a season. Signed Engels and Konsa and Trezeguet and I can't recall if we thought any of them were yet of the standard required.Star signing Wesley and Experienced GK Heaton were crocked in the same game. We had no choice but to pad out the squad who else was available other than Raina and Drinkbollocks?Oh and then the season was on hold for what 10-12 weeks after we got mauled. We finished the season strong and stayed up ahead of 2 teams who has been in top league for longer than us.
Quote from: john e on May 29, 2024, 09:55:26 AMMcGinn was Bruce’s only redeeming featureHe did take us to within 90 mins of a return to the PL before McGinn joined. We would have gone straight back down, mind. He was a decent appointment at the time, exposing the fraud that was Ross McCormack was when our recovery from free fall started. Should take more credit for getting Grealish back on track tooEveryone likes Deano but it's small margins really. Gets us up via the playoffs (I'm not sure we played all that much better v Derby than we did v Fulham the previous year). Should that team in our first season back have been anywhere near a relegation battle to the final day? (Grealish, McGinn, Mings et al). Some disastrous signings like Jota and Drinkwater and tactically we were a rabble really for a lot of that season. Gerrard despite a good start always seemed a very bad mistake and so it proved. It's been a mad 7 years since McCormack-gate!
McGinn was Bruce’s only redeeming feature
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 29, 2024, 11:11:34 PMQuote from: brontebilly on May 29, 2024, 10:40:06 PMQuote from: john e on May 29, 2024, 09:55:26 AMMcGinn was Bruce’s only redeeming featureHe did take us to within 90 mins of a return to the PL before McGinn joined. We would have gone straight back down, mind. He was a decent appointment at the time, exposing the fraud that was Ross McCormack was when our recovery from free fall started. Should take more credit for getting Grealish back on track tooEveryone likes Deano but it's small margins really. Gets us up via the playoffs (I'm not sure we played all that much better v Derby than we did v Fulham the previous year). Should that team in our first season back have been anywhere near a relegation battle to the final day? (Grealish, McGinn, Mings et al). Some disastrous signings like Jota and Drinkwater and tactically we were a rabble really for a lot of that season. Gerrard despite a good start always seemed a very bad mistake and so it proved. It's been a mad 7 years since McCormack-gate!Sigh.We came up via play offs and had no time to plan. Not knowing if Grealish would stay. Not knowing for sure if McGinn, Mings, AEG and Taylor could hack it at this level over a season. Signed Engels and Konsa and Trezeguet and I can't recall if we thought any of them were yet of the standard required.Star signing Wesley and Experienced GK Heaton were crocked in the same game. We had no choice but to pad out the squad who else was available other than Raina and Drinkbollocks?Oh and then the season was on hold for what 10-12 weeks after we got mauled. We finished the season strong and stayed up ahead of 2 teams who has been in top league for longer than us.Yeah, it was a hard task, definitely.The thing with the play-off finals is that we never looked like losing to Derby, and never looked like beating Fulham.
Talking of Engels, you can take the lad out of Villa Park, but you can't take Villa Park out of the lad. He's missed the last two years with an achilles injury.
Quote from: Risso on May 30, 2024, 10:32:17 AMTalking of Engels, you can take the lad out of Villa Park, but you can't take Villa Park out of the lad. He's missed the last two years with an achilles injury.The curse!! Its funny isn’t it, how of the hundreds of players ive seen come and go at Villa over the last 40 years, only really a percentage really stick in the mind for very specific reasons. Most because they were really good or really bad, but some mainly for incidents. I was only a kid, so for me the main reason Steve McMahon sticks in my mind as a Villa player is because Noel Blake headbutted him. I’ll never forgot Engels, despite the fact he was only here a year and very limited player. When that ball went under his foot in the last minute against spurs for Son to run through and score, i went home and thought we were gone, relegated.
Quote from: Risso on May 30, 2024, 10:32:17 AMTalking of Engels, you can take the lad out of Villa Park, but you can't take Villa Park out of the lad. He's missed the last two years with an achilles injury.The curse!! Its funny isn’t it, how of the hundreds of players ive seen come and go at Villa over the last 40 years, only really a percentage really stick in the mind for very specific reasons. Most because they were really good or really bad, but some mainly for incidents. I was only a kid, so for me the main reason Steve McMahon sticks in my mind as a Villa player is because Noel Blake headbutted him. I’ll never forget Engels, despite the fact he was only here a year and very limited player. When that ball went under his foot in the last minute against spurs for Son to run through and score, i went home and thought we were gone, relegated.
As we watch these international tournaments it reminds me yet again of the immense work done by Unai with our squad. We only have three absolute nailed on starters at international level right now in Emi, McGinn and Olsen. Tielemans has just really reestablished himself but he doesn’t always start, and Leon is taking time away from Jamaica. After that the others; Cash, Ollie, Konsa, Kamara, Diaby etc. are squad players at best. For Unai to take this group, get us to 4th and CL football is an incredible achievement.
Our European Cup winning team won a pathetically low number of international caps between them.
Quote from: Dick Edwards on June 16, 2024, 06:22:18 PMOur European Cup winning team won a pathetically low number of international caps between them.Pathetic for England.