Next Manager Speculation/Hopes

[luke95]

I expect us as a club to be top 6 and challenging for trophies.  Not this season, but as a general point of principal.

That is where Villia sit in the hieracrchy and where I expect us to get back to.  It's become harder with the emergence of the likes of Man City and now Newcastle, but it doesn't really change how I see Aston Villa and what I expect from the club. 

Based on what tho , weve won very little over the last 100 years , very rarely finished in the top 6 certainly havnt finished in the top 6 with any consistency.
We are a top 10 club at best, top 10 with the capability to step up to top 4-6.

[paul_e]

I expect us as a club to be top 6 and challenging for trophies.  Not this season, but as a general point of principal.

That is where Villia sit in the hieracrchy and where I expect us to get back to.  It's become harder with the emergence of the likes of Man City and now Newcastle, but it doesn't really change how I see Aston Villa and what I expect from the club. 

Based on what tho , weve won very little over the last 100 years , very rarely finished in the top 6 certainly havnt finished in the top 6 with any consistency.
We are a top 10 club at best, top 10 with the capability to step up to top 4-6.

I mean that's just straight up wrong. Since the premier league came in we're 7th on the count of most top 6 finishes. We've finished 6th more times than anyone else in that 30 year period. The problems have all come in the last 10 years and we all know about that but even getting back to where we were in the noughties would make us part of a 7/8 (along with Newcastle) who would be expected to battle for Europe most seasons.

[Billy Walker]

I expect us as a club to be top 6 and challenging for trophies.  Not this season, but as a general point of principal.

That is where Villia sit in the hieracrchy and where I expect us to get back to.  It's become harder with the emergence of the likes of Man City and now Newcastle, but it doesn't really change how I see Aston Villa and what I expect from the club. 

Based on what tho , weve won very little over the last 100 years , very rarely finished in the top 6 certainly havnt finished in the top 6 with any consistency.
We are a top 10 club at best, top 10 with the capability to step up to top 4-6.

At our best we are a club that is European Champs.

Man City, Chelsea etc rarely finished top six but that did not put off their respective owners aiming for such things.  Likewise Man Utd and Liverpool before the 50s/60s rarely won cups etc.  There is no set-in-stone place in the pecking order - if the ambition and plan is in place to succeed, anything is possible (yes, even in this current age of cartels and oil money).

[gpbarr]

The harsh reality is that since the heady days when we were European Champions, it’s been a downhill trend.  Not much glory to talk about since then.

What we are seeing right now is why - the club says it’s ambitious but actions speak louder than words. Yes it’s possible but the probability is low.

We are like the UK in the Security Council - we still have a seat but plenty of people wonder why

[Hookeysmith]

Sorry to labour the point, but I didn't expect by now to be content with mid-table.

Based on when, Dave? Because going from bottom half of the Championship to top 6 in the PL within four years would've taken the full Man City treatment and from a much lower starting point.

When we got the third-richest owners in the league I would have expected to at least be challenging for Europe by now. Wolves managed it, Newcastle have gone roaring past us, West Ham have gone from relegation candidates to Europe and Leeds finished higher in their first season than we have in three. Meanwhile, we're looking at beating Fulham or Brentford to save the manager's job. .

Whilst i agree with what you say we are technically on our 3rd and 4th (if Xia was to be believed) billionaire owner and we just cannot seem to get it right.

Lerner was a rich kid with Daddies money

Xia was a chancer

But these guys, especially Edens, was not only to be richer than the others put together but also meant to be a real shrewd and pretty ruthless sports owner.

Purslow was probably brought in due to his inside knowledge of FFP but 4/5 years on we still have a pretty poor match day experience with shocking catering etc, in comparison to other prem teams pretty small time corporate sponsorships and our greatest asset of a player in a generation sold against everyones wishes whilst killing the Villa career of a very decent Manager and human being in Smith.

Its not just the manager and players that should be questioned

[cdbearsfan]

Xia is as rich as me.

[ChicagoLion]

Sorry to labour the point, but I didn't expect by now to be content with mid-table.

Based on when, Dave? Because going from bottom half of the Championship to top 6 in the PL within four years would've taken the full Man City treatment and from a much lower starting point.

When we got the third-richest owners in the league I would have expected to at least be challenging for Europe by now. Wolves managed it, Newcastle have gone roaring past us, West Ham have gone from relegation candidates to Europe and Leeds finished higher in their first season than we have in three. Meanwhile, we're looking at beating Fulham or Brentford to save the manager's job. .

I'm with Dave

It does feel like expectations are being dampened and a lot of people seem happy to go along with it.

[Brazilian Villain]

Xia is as rich as me.

And you've got better taste in shoes.

[Kevin Dawson]

The harsh reality is that since the heady days when we were European Champions, it’s been a downhill trend.  Not much glory to talk about since then.

What we are seeing right now is why - the club says it’s ambitious but actions speak louder than words. Yes it’s possible but the probability is low.

We are like the UK in the Security Council - we still have a seat but plenty of people wonder why

I think the fact that we have excellent 'streamlined' military capabilities, and four Vanguard class nuclear missile submarines might be the reason for that....

[PaulTheVillan]

Xia is as rich as me.

And you've got better taste in shoes.

and managers

[ozzjim]

I just want us to put a team out that we can enjoy watching. Finish 6-10th with the occasional foray up or run to cup final, and enjoy being a fan. Short of 2 brief periods, promotion run and lock down run, the last ten years have been quite torture filled.

[dave.woodhall]

Sorry to labour the point, but I didn't expect by now to be content with mid-table.

Based on when, Dave? Because going from bottom half of the Championship to top 6 in the PL within four years would've taken the full Man City treatment and from a much lower starting point.

When we got the third-richest owners in the league I would have expected to at least be challenging for Europe by now. Wolves managed it, Newcastle have gone roaring past us, West Ham have gone from relegation candidates to Europe and Leeds finished higher in their first season than we have in three. Meanwhile, we're looking at beating Fulham or Brentford to save the manager's job. .

Whilst i agree with what you say we are technically on our 3rd and 4th (if Xia was to be believed) billionaire owner and we just cannot seem to get it right.

Lerner was a rich kid with Daddies money

Xia was a chancer

But these guys, especially Edens, was not only to be richer than the others put together but also meant to be a real shrewd and pretty ruthless sports owner.

Purslow was probably brought in due to his inside knowledge of FFP but 4/5 years on we still have a pretty poor match day experience with shocking catering etc, in comparison to other prem teams pretty small time corporate sponsorships and our greatest asset of a player in a generation sold against everyones wishes whilst killing the Villa career of a very decent Manager and human being in Smith.

Its not just the manager and players that should be questioned

Absolutely. The owners get a pass based on how much they've spent. Pro rata probably Lerner spent more and he gets pelters for it. We didn't have any realistic hope of keeping Ratboy, but we should have been better prepared for it and we definitely should have used the money better.

[Nunkin1965]

Sorry to labour the point, but I didn't expect by now to be content with mid-table.

Based on when, Dave? Because going from bottom half of the Championship to top 6 in the PL within four years would've taken the full Man City treatment and from a much lower starting point.

When we got the third-richest owners in the league I would have expected to at least be challenging for Europe by now. Wolves managed it, Newcastle have gone roaring past us, West Ham have gone from relegation candidates to Europe and Leeds finished higher in their first season than we have in three. Meanwhile, we're looking at beating Fulham or Brentford to save the manager's job. .

I'm with Dave

It does feel like expectations are being dampened and a lot of people seem happy to go along with it.

Same here.
We've been in this position so often before but it feels worse as everything is there for us to progress in a big way this time.
Rapidly losing my passion towards games.
I feel privileged to have had a ST for so many years but the whole thing is just feels flat and I'm seeing black and white pictures on what should be a top range 4K TV.
Sorry for the crap analogy.

[eamonn]

To paraphrase someone either here or on Twitter, five years in and we're still talking about a project.

Four years, isn't it? And we'll have an FA Cup title by next May. Mission/Project accomplished!

[chrisw1]

I just want us to put a team out that we can enjoy watching. Finish 6-10th with the occasional foray up or run to cup final, and enjoy being a fan. Short of 2 brief periods, promotion run and lock down run, the last ten years have been quite torture filled.

Nah.  I want more.  I see no reason why we can't compete with Spurs, Arsenal & Chelsea.