Next Manager Speculation/Hopes

[Drummond]

Everton appointed Ancelotti. We can appoint Pochettino. The desperation of some our own fans to talk us down is ridiculous. Maybe we have the team we deserve.

...and look what happened there, he tipped off as soon as a more lucrative offer came along.

Everton were/are skint though.  It's down to Sawiris and Edens to outline an ambitious vision and hand out a contract to match.

"Transfer budget is £50m, but you have to sell a player before you buy another one."

Yep, that should have Champions League standard managers beating a path to our door.

Yep, see what we did for the last manager? He only got £88m plus a few loans and a couple of Bosmans. And he was shit. Imagine what you'd get if you did as well as you can.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

As ever with this debate we wont know if it worth sticking or twisting until we know who the new guy is.

For instance if I were offered Lampard, Southgate, Dyche I'd stick.

In what universe would we be limited to those three?

Since O'Neill left we have appointed Houllier, McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood, Garde, Di Matteo, Bruce, Smith and Gerrard. That universe.

We have a nasty habit of always recruiting from a poor position, things have to be pretty desperate before we look for a replacement. Replacing Gerrard looks to be following that trend. If we are to keep him for the next three games even if we win two of the three and are sitting comfortably midtable, I'd still look to bring in a new Head Coach.

Like so many before him, our league position doesn't truly reflect our potential. Again, not just on paper, we have a very decent squad, it's the Manager that is failing to get the best out of them.

[chrisw1]

As I said, very unlikely we are after a new manager in December. Gerrard'll be sacked by the World Cup, or given serious time to turn it around. There would be little point in allowing him to stay on, watch the World Cup, have another transfer window and then sack him, if the board still didn't think he was up to it.

The World Cup finishes in December.  In this nightmare scenerio that must never come to pass Southgate would be joing just in time for the Jan transfer window.  As he's basically got fuck all to do before the WC (how hard is it to pick 10 players around Mason Mount?), he's even got time to watch videos of our games and line up our swoop for Harry Maguire.

[cdbearsfan]

We play our last game before the World Cup on 13th November. Seems very unlikely to me that we would twiddle our thumbs for a month then appoint a manager after the World Cup. We aren't appointing Southgate. Of the many things to worry about, that isn't one. Besides, I fully expect Southgate to manage England throughout their Euros campaign, at least. They aren't going to sack a manager who made a semi (two if you count the Nations League) and a final even if they do have one poor campaign. As for him resigning, I'd imagine that having come within a penalty shoot-out of winning a tournament, he would fancy his chances of doing so before deciding to step aside.

[paul_e]

As I said, very unlikely we are after a new manager in December. Gerrard'll be sacked by the World Cup, or given serious time to turn it around. There would be little point in allowing him to stay on, watch the World Cup, have another transfer window and then sack him, if the board still didn't think he was up to it.

The World Cup finishes in December.  In this nightmare scenerio that must never come to pass Southgate would be joing just in time for the Jan transfer window.  As he's basically got fuck all to do before the WC (how hard is it to pick 10 players around Mason Mount?), he's even got time to watch videos of our games and line up our swoop for Harry Maguire.

Yes but the point that CD is correctly making is that if we sack Gerrard before the world cup we'll have filled the vacancy by then and if we haven't then why would we sack him between the end of the world cup and the january window when no games will have been played and we'll have had a month of a 'bonus pre-season' for the coach to work with most of the squad. The timing just doesn't make sense, if Gerrard is still with us on the 15th November then he'll still be with us until at least March because it doesn't make sense to do anything else.

[cdbearsfan]

Yep. Put more coherently than I managed, thanks. 🙂

[ChicagoLion]

Yes the narrative, he has got until the World Cup just does not make any sense.

[SoccerHQ]

Yes the narrative, he has got until the World Cup just does not make any sense.

Depends who we approached in that period. Emery could seriously consider offer in that break compared to now where he has a game every 3 days.

Then manager gets another pre season with them rather than parachuted in with endless games and hardly a training session to work on improving us.

That's the crumb I'm hanging onto rather than the owners still believing Gerrard can turn us around.

[chrisw1]

As I said, very unlikely we are after a new manager in December. Gerrard'll be sacked by the World Cup, or given serious time to turn it around. There would be little point in allowing him to stay on, watch the World Cup, have another transfer window and then sack him, if the board still didn't think he was up to it.

The World Cup finishes in December.  In this nightmare scenerio that must never come to pass Southgate would be joing just in time for the Jan transfer window.  As he's basically got fuck all to do before the WC (how hard is it to pick 10 players around Mason Mount?), he's even got time to watch videos of our games and line up our swoop for Harry Maguire.

Yes but the point that CD is correctly making is that if we sack Gerrard before the world cup we'll have filled the vacancy by then and if we haven't then why would we sack him between the end of the world cup and the january window when no games will have been played and we'll have had a month of a 'bonus pre-season' for the coach to work with most of the squad. The timing just doesn't make sense, if Gerrard is still with us on the 15th November then he'll still be with us until at least March because it doesn't make sense to do anything else.

Again, in this entirely hypothetical and hopefully entirely unlikely scenerio, the point would be to replace him with Southgate who isn't available until then.  The logistics work fine.  Just hopefully we're not stupid enough to go for it.

[cdbearsfan]

There is no guarantee Southgate will be available anytime soon. Sitting around with no manager waiting in the vain hope that they lose to a combination of Iran, America and Wales would be beyond madness.

[dave.woodhall]

I can't see any international manager leaving after the World Cup then walking straight into another job.

[cdbearsfan]

And we won't have a vacancy immediately after the World Cup anyway, nor will anyone else. There's a great big pre-World Cup sacking window for managers to get the punt.

[Risso]

I don't think Gerrard is going to get the sack at any point before the World Cup, and probably not for the rest of the season to be honest.

[chrisw1]

There is no guarantee Southgate will be available anytime soon. Sitting around with no manager waiting in the vain hope that they lose to a combination of Iran, America and Wales would be beyond madness.

Sigh, my point was he may fancy it however he does in the world cup.  He's been in the England job for 6 years with 3 major tournaments under his belt, it's possible he'd fancy a challenge.  It was a stupid post because I can't imagine our owners are that daft and I've no idea why I wrote it. 

[edgysatsuma89]

There is no guarantee Southgate will be available anytime soon. Sitting around with no manager waiting in the vain hope that they lose to a combination of Iran, America and Wales would be beyond madness.

I'm going to put a bet on England not getting out of the group so I think it's plausible 😃. Southgate knows Villa fans don't like him anyway, his leeway would be miniscule.