Crystal Palace v Aston Villa Post Debacle Thread

[AlexAlexCropley]

Although I don't expect a Don Revie style dossier on the opposition,we appear to have zero homework on what to expect.Not just yesterday either.

[Bobby Boy]

Although I don't expect a Don Revie style dossier on the opposition,we appear to have zero homework on what to expect.Not just yesterday either.

Absolutely. Palace have quick front players who will look to get in behind you on the counter. So you deny them space in behind, right?

No, not us. We give their speedy front guys all the space of South London to run at us with our full-backs high up the pitch.

Just mind-boggling, inept tactical planning. Staggering.

[Pat McMahon]

I was too peeved to post last night, but a few random thoughts.

Defensively we never looked secure, Zaha and Eze in particular exploiting space. Not too difficult with both full back often high up the pitch. We played a high line defending free kicks too and were lucky to get away with a marginal offside on VAR.
Konsa was very poor for the first goal but to be fair he did improve as the game went on. One early pass straight to an opponent was almost double agent quality.
Midfield is very weak, particularly when the opposition have the ball. Just about every loose ball was mopped up by Palace who were much more athletic than us
Digne and Cash in particular seemed frustrated, the latter with Martinez after some poor passes
A late free kick routine was farcical and caused a lot of heckling
We still don’t have a clear style of play and I don’t really see what we are trying to do. Crucially, we are lacking leaders

There was some booing at the final whistle and only Mings came over to acknowledge us. After a pow wow in the centre circle with Palace a couple of the team did clap in our direction. We have three tough games coming up and I fear an eruption of anger if we are in the bottom 3 after 6 games.

[RamboandBruno]

Excellent and funny analysis as ever from the boys that do the Villa Podcast.  They are always on the money and this is the best villa related podcast out there.

Have a listen.

[richtheholtender]

Just watching Bosnich on SSN and saw Kamara having a right laugh with Palace player at the the end of the game. Didn't take the new signings long ti pick up the culture. That's one of our biggest problems, it's doesn't matter the manager, the players it just doesn't hurt enough when we lose at villa. It's just brushed off, it doesn't matter.

[devilla]

Watching Leeds and Noocastle on MOTD2 last night I was struck by how far behind them we are in terms of a clear game plan, the ability to press as a team and sheer bloody will to win.

These are all things that were blatantly missing from Saturday's debacle. I don't have any answers but the gulf between us and those two (and no doubt many other teams) is frightening at the moment.

[Axl Rose]

We were atrociously embarrassing on Saturday.

Not just Gerrard and his tactics, but the players, too.

They need a right fucking rocket up them. Casually ambling about, couldn't pass, looked knackered after about 10 minutes, no pace or creativity. Fucking inept.

They're absymal at the moment.

[Drummond]

We were atrociously embarrassing on Saturday.

Not just Gerrard and his tactics, but the players, too.

They need a right fucking rocket up them. Casually ambling about, couldn't pass, looked knackered after about 10 minutes, no pace or creativity. Fucking inept.

They're absymal at the moment.

I wonder whether training is that hard (Gerrard has alluded to wanting that intensity) that they can't get up for it on matchday.

[Richard]

We were atrociously embarrassing on Saturday.

Not just Gerrard and his tactics, but the players, too.

They need a right fucking rocket up them. Casually ambling about, couldn't pass, looked knackered after about 10 minutes, no pace or creativity. Fucking inept.

They're absymal at the moment.

I wonder whether training is that hard (Gerrard has alluded to wanting that intensity) that they can't get up for it on matchday.

We were atrociously embarrassing on Saturday.

Not just Gerrard and his tactics, but the players, too.

They need a right fucking rocket up them. Casually ambling about, couldn't pass, looked knackered after about 10 minutes, no pace or creativity. Fucking inept.

They're absymal at the moment.

I wonder whether training is that hard (Gerrard has alluded to wanting that intensity) that they can't get up for it on matchday.

I don't buy that at all. There are a number of other issues currently from the manager to the midfield. Just hope we can turn it around otherwise its yet another re set.

[coreyfeldman]

Watching Leeds and Noocastle on MOTD2 last night I was struck by how far behind them we are in terms of a clear game plan, the ability to press as a team and sheer bloody will to win.

These are all things that were blatantly missing from Saturday's debacle. I don't have any answers but the gulf between us and those two (and no doubt many other teams) is frightening at the moment.

And Brighton and Palace and Fulham and Brentford and Forest and Wolves etc etc etc

[Hookeysmith]

The first few games he was here, Gerrard was a very animated and vocal presence on the touchline, yet now he barely gets out of his seat.   I think it's blatantly obvious there's no rapport between him and the players

This is very clearly noticeable as well.

Practically everyone lost their individual battles with their opponent

Again painfully obvious.

The full backs were awful and clearly targeted to get the ball over the top and into the space they leave when they get forward - fuck me change it Gerrard before the mob really turn on you.


Oh and just for good measure... leave the liability that is McGinn out for a decent while

[Sexual Ealing]

I didn't see the game, but I received two different messages from Palace fans that said they thought they played well, but they were surprised at how bad we were.

[Nev]

The first few games he was here, Gerrard was a very animated and vocal presence on the touchline, yet now he barely gets out of his seat.   I think it's blatantly obvious there's no rapport between him and the players

This is very clearly noticeable as well.

Practically everyone lost their individual battles with their opponent

Again painfully obvious.

The full backs were awful and clearly targeted to get the ball over the top and into the space they leave when they get forward - fuck me change it Gerrard before the mob really turn on you.


Oh and just for good measure... leave the liability that is McGinn out for a decent while

Watford at home last year, we're struggling, the crowd are on the players backs and the Manager vanished into the dug out. I was alarmed at the time, said so on here....

[Brazilian Villain]

Watford at home last year, we're struggling, the crowd are on the players backs and the Manager vanished into the dug out. I was alarmed at the time, said so on here....

The last time I was truly alarmed was when Watford battered us 3-0 in Dec. '19. Really thought we were going down until Covid saved us.

[Risso]

Watford at home last year, we're struggling, the crowd are on the players backs and the Manager vanished into the dug out. I was alarmed at the time, said so on here....

The last time I was truly alarmed was when Watford battered us 3-0 in Dec. '19. Really thought we were going down until Covid saved us.

Covid and possibly Watford sacking Pearson. Even after the lockdown, we only won 2 of the ten matches.