Crystal Palace v Aston Villa Post Debacle Thread

[Lescottstweets]

I think we’re looking at the first manager sacking of the season. His inexperience in a big league is showing. We have the quality of players now to be a hell of a lot better and easily competing for top 10.

[Abbeyfealeavfc]

What an absolute sh*tshow again yesterday against a team we're likely to be challenging for 14th place with, if we're hopefully not embroiled in a relegation battle.
In the same way we came away from the Everton match last w/e thinking they're poor and likely to be involved in the mix for relegation, I'm sure Bournemouth and Palace fans must be thinking the same of us. Not good enough from Villa (irrespective of the distraction of Sarr) and it needs saying long and loud so our decision makers (including our manager) get the message.

[Chris Smith]

It’s probably the easiest 3 points Palace will pick up all season. There was nothing particularly clever about their game plan of getting the ball forward early to quick and skilful forwards but we played into their hands. That left our defence exposed with fullbacks pushed on and plenty of space for them to exploit. The unforgivable thing is not doing anything about it until it was too late. That’s on Gerrard primarily but the entire coaching staff all shoulder some of the blame.

Next Sunday could turn ugly unless there is a significant improvement.

[LeeB]

It’s probably the easiest 3 points Palace will pick up all season. There was nothing particularly clever about their game plan of getting the ball forward early to quick and skilful forwards but we played into their hands. That left our defence exposed with fullbacks pushed on and plenty of space for them to exploit. The unforgivable thing is not doing anything about it until it was too late. That’s on Gerrard primarily but the entire coaching staff all shoulder some of the blame.

Next Sunday could turn ugly unless there is a significant improvement.

You do wonder if we watch other teams before we play them

[Drummond]

It’s probably the easiest 3 points Palace will pick up all season. There was nothing particularly clever about their game plan of getting the ball forward early to quick and skilful forwards but we played into their hands. That left our defence exposed with fullbacks pushed on and plenty of space for them to exploit. The unforgivable thing is not doing anything about it until it was too late. That’s on Gerrard primarily but the entire coaching staff all shoulder some of the blame.

Next Sunday could turn ugly unless there is a significant improvement.

You do wonder if we watch other teams before we play them

They certainly look at us. Though there's no real need.

It feels like we're on the end of what we did to Liverpool in the 7-2 every week, with profligate finishing from the opposition. We got at Liverpool quickly throughout that game and they were all over the place. Obviously that was a one off for them as they have an astute manager (and better players, granted).

Yesterday wasn't all about the penalty turning the game as Gerrard claimed, it was about them having effective forwards who just exploited all the space we gave them.

[andyh]

I don’t think it was just the space we gave away.
In virtually every single one on one situation, we were outmuscled and outfought.
We couldn’t cope with their physicality and pace. The bullied us and we had no response.

[BC Villain]

* Don’t think we ever recovered after conceding the equaliser. After that, Palace we’re comfortably the better team and in the first half in particular, Zaha tortured us. Eze was brilliant and he must have been shocked that we made no adjustments in the game whatsoever to restrict him.
* Set pieces are still an issue. Defending against them is still a major problem, yet we continue to give away silly fouls around the box. Attacking wise, we had some very strange moves.
* Thought Cash, Martinez, Mings and (first half) Buendia played well. Konsa made one brilliant recovery challenge against Eduard. Bailey had a couple of good moments. Watkins did his job today; one clear chance, one goal.
* Digne was very poor and Palace looked to be targeting him. Thought the handball was harsh. In general, I thought the ref was inconsistent. Ayew could have made another 10 fouls and not been booked.
* Yet another loss to a side that has less resources than us but are much much better coached. The number of times just a long ball over the top did us was alarming. The other
alarming thing to consider is that Vieira has had those players for only, what, 3 more months than Gerrard has had our squad?!

Indeed.

If we had to play Fantasy Football and pick a 'name' manager based on what he'd done as a player, prob better to go for that guy.

Heavily involved in the acadamy at Citeh and a degree of success with Nice in a far more competitive league.

He felt like a bigger, more visible presence on the touchline. This might sound soft but simply the choice of clothing made a difference, I thought. PV was there in his big white shirt, a commanding figure, whilst SG skulked away in a dark suit, seeming hardly visible

The first few games he was here, Gerrard was a very animated and vocal presence on the touchline, yet now he barely gets out of his seat.   I think it's blatantly obvious there's no rapport between him and the players (there again when the boss keeps slagging you off in the press why would you expect there to be?)

Even at the end of Smiths reign, you never felt the players weren't playing for him.

[frank]

I don’t think it was just the space we gave away.
In virtually every single one on one situation, we were outmuscled and outfought.
We couldn’t cope with their physicality and pace. The bullied us and we had no response.

It was the same at Bournemouth and even last week against Everton. It's not that we have inferior players, but they don't match the other teams in aggression and motivation.

[Percy McCarthy]

I don’t think it was just the space we gave away.
In virtually every single one on one situation, we were outmuscled and outfought.
We couldn’t cope with their physicality and pace. The bullied us and we had no response.

It was the same at Bournemouth and even last week against Everton. It's not that we have inferior players, but they don't match the other teams in aggression and motivation.

Yep. Add ‘shit motivator’ to his CV.

[Ads]

Why are revising last week now to accentutate the doom? We dominated Everton up until 87 minutes, then panicked, as we like to do over the years. We ought to have been 3 or 4 up by that point.

[darren woolley]

Very disappointed with the performance and it was just ridiculous getting there but got there eventually because of the strike.

[Small Rodent]

I was at a party last night with a bunch of Palace season ticket holders.

They think McGinn is one of our better players but dirty, and we’re not a bad side.

How people see things differently.

[eamonn]

Why are revising last week now to accentutate the doom? We dominated Everton up until 87 minutes, then panicked, as we like to do over the years. We ought to have been 3 or 4 up by that point.

Discounting the goals, apart from Buendia's effort hooked off the line, I can't remember us troubling Pickford much. Plenty of possession but not doing much with it. Then we shit the bed when they bring on their new signing and Grandad Rondon.

[Skerra]

No, I didn’t see us pulling up against Everton either. They are probably the worst team in the division at present. However, as others have said, don’t take one game in isolation as we have been generally very poor for the whole of 2022 so far. Maybe he has signed Sarr to change the system to play him and Bailey as 2 wingers with just one striker? Worth trying something different as relying on our full backs as attacking options clearly isn’t working.

[john2710]

Practically everyone lost their individual battles with their opponent & it's a habit, particularly away from home. We were second best to everything & nothing can compensate for that. It's like we're surprised when teams don't give us the time to play.

We need to go back to basics, set up to be hard to beat & build from that.