Loanwatch 2022/23

[Chris Smith]

Feel free to start one.

Nah, i'll wait until they've earned it.

You just haven’t earned it yet Ramsey.

[Brazilian Villain]

Looks like they'll have to settle for the Play Offs and Luton look like the best-coached side in the division outside of Burnley.

Rob Edwards came through the academy at Villa but has also played and coached at Wolves. Is he a Villa fan?

No. He is a wolves fan

Cheers, thought he might be Wolves as any Vila allegiance hadn't been mentioned here.

[Brend'Watkins]

I was fairly impressed with Aaron's game last night.  He was accurate with his passing read the play well for his well taken goal and was always involved. I don't think he's quite there yet but as others have alluded, if he responds well to the coaching at Bodymoor Heath in the summer he may have a chance next season.

[Beard82]

Jaden Philogene is apparently off to Chelsea for 9m - 12m

[pablo_picasso]

Watching A. Ramsey yesterday was interesting. He had large periods missing in the game in the first half, but he ran the show in the second half. His goal was quality, as was his involvement & assist for the second. Watching him in the second half cemented my view that he will fit better in the position that J. Ramsey is currently filling now, better than J. Ramsey. Thats not to say he is a better player, I just think the way he finds space & passes the ball will fit better than J. Ramsey currently does. But both are exciting players to have at the club.

I think Tim Irogbuenam, Louie Barry and maybe a couple of others not quite at Aaron's development stage, have their own. I like that he has stealthily risen up through the ranks, relatively unnoticed. A bit like, er, the Villa themselves!

Norwich, where he was on-loan under Deano, could certainly do with him right now, they are struggling to create and score.

Iroegbunam is 100% at A. Ramseys development stage. The problem he has had since Beale left QPR is that the next couple of managers have been a bit shit, their results have suffered & so has he & hid reputation. I think he has been pushed further forward too because he can drive forward with the ball. Which is a mistake. While Beale was at QPR, he was used as a holding mid & his pace & tenacity, mixed with his ability to pass well & run with the ball made him an exceptional player & a bit of a surprise for the players trying to close him down.

[Smithy]

Jaden Philogene is apparently off to Chelsea for 9m - 12m

That's a very strange one, so I'd put it down as a fake rumour. He clearly has bags of natural ability, but he hasn't exactly set the Championship alight (despite his highlight reel being very impressive). 

He's also 21, so I think this summer, like Archer, will be a make or break time with the club.  If Emery doesn't think he has what it takes to make it as a first-team squad member this summer, I can see him going - but to Chelsea for £10m+? I'd be very surprised.

[Smithy]

Aaron Ramsey now has a better goals per minute ratio than Cameron Archer for boro, averaging a goal every 161 minutes (to Cam's one every 170 mins).

[eamonn]

Chelsea's business model makes me sick.

[Brend'Watkins]

Chelsea's business model makes me sick.

It is an odd one.  Spend big on potential, don't play them, watch their value drop. 

[Dave]

Chelsea's business model makes me sick.

It is an odd one.  Spend big on potential, don't play them, watch their value drop. 

Not really. Spend big on potential and give them massive salaries (and set their families up with homes and jobs) so all the young talent wants to go there because they pay the most. Play the ones who are good enough, keep loaning out the ones that aren't until they find the right level to be sold at.

In the last three years Abraham, Gilmour, Zouma, Tomori, Pasalic, Aina and Kalas has brought in around £140m in transfer fees.

[OCD]

Based on just his footwork, you could imagine him turning up at Dortmund, tearing it up and people asking where he came from. Obviously there's more to it than that so we'll have to see what Emery does with him.

Azaz and Bogarde need to be playing regular Championship football next season. Maybe with some other talents being ready to get their first taste of league fooball. Feeney, Kellyman, T O'Reilly and K Young perhaps.

AJ's really come on leaps and bounds this season. He surprised me with how much of an impact he had at Norwich. Then he got injured and Smith had a bad time and got sacked. Then at Middlesbrough, he's shown maturity at times and looked like he might not be far away from being a part of our squad. I expect Iroegbunam to be an understudy to Kamara and start making appearances.

There's some interesting links to 20-21 year old's who have only played a season or two. I wonder whether a part of our strategy is going to be to identify talent in that sort of bracket and immediately loan them out. Bit like Chelsea but more strategic and less scattergun.

[pablo_picasso]

Based on just his footwork, you could imagine him turning up at Dortmund, tearing it up and people asking where he came from. Obviously there's more to it than that so we'll have to see what Emery does with him.

Azaz and Bogarde need to be playing regular Championship football next season. Maybe with some other talents being ready to get their first taste of league fooball. Feeney, Kellyman, T O'Reilly and K Young perhaps.

AJ's really come on leaps and bounds this season. He surprised me with how much of an impact he had at Norwich. Then he got injured and Smith had a bad time and got sacked. Then at Middlesbrough, he's shown maturity at times and looked like he might not be far away from being a part of our squad. I expect Iroegbunam to be an understudy to Kamara and start making appearances.

There's some interesting links to 20-21 year old's who have only played a season or two. I wonder whether a part of our strategy is going to be to identify talent in that sort of bracket and immediately loan them out. Bit like Chelsea but more strategic and less scattergun.

Rory Wilson & Kerr Smith too...

I agree about Iroegbunam being Kamaras understudy & will be cover for both him & Luiz. A. Ramsey will most likely become cover & competition to J. Ramsey. And eventually will overtake him for that spot. I think he will suit it better.

I think the heavy investment in 16/17 year old quality players for the academy in recent years shows that the comments made by Purslow about players needing to be around the first team at the ages of 18/19-ish are being acted upon & we have a solid plan.

I do see some similarities with the Chelsea model, but we aren't going around spunking money, jobs, cars & houses on their entourages. By bringing in quite a few players & developing them in the right way, we may surprise ourselves with more players like Finn Azaz, who I think was initially brought in to sell for profit, but he has forced his way into our longer term thinking.

Philogene-Bidace is a coin flip for me. For all the fast feet & pace, he lacks consistent end product & will most likely be sold to a Championship club like Preston...

[Legion]

Aaron Ramsey now has a better goals per minute ratio than Cameron Archer for boro, averaging a goal every 161 minutes (to Cam's one every 170 mins).

Is that just for 'Boro or include his earlier loan spell as well?

[Smithy]

Aaron Ramsey now has a better goals per minute ratio than Cameron Archer for boro, averaging a goal every 161 minutes (to Cam's one every 170 mins).

Is that just for 'Boro or include his earlier loan spell as well?

Oh, just Boro, I was looking at Boro's BBC results page!

[Legion]

Cheers.