Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: UK Redsox on July 12, 2022, 11:44:52 AM
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Aston Villa can confirm Viljami Sinisalo and Finn Azaz will go out on loan to clubs in League One for the duration of the 2022/23 campaign.
Sinisalo heads to Burton Albion while Azaz will link up with Plymouth Argyle.
Goalkeeper Sinisalo has been a regular member of the senior goalkeeping cohort at Bodymoor Heath over the past year having spent time on loan with Ayr United during the 2020/21 campaign.
Azaz, who joined the club last summer, spent 2021/22 out on loan with Newport County and was named the League Two Young Player of the Season in addition to being included in the League Two Team of the Season.
The midfielder has also put pen to paper on a new contract with the Club prior to heading to Home Park.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/11/villa-duo-head-out-on-loan/
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Sensible. Gradually increasing the level they're playing at.
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I mostly agree but I think Sinisalo could've gone to a championship club and been fine.
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I mostly agree but I think Sinisalo could've gone to a championship club and been fine.
I think both should; or - at least - made these loans half-season with the option to send them into the C'ship for the second half.
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Would rather see him in League One playing every week then Championship sat on the bench. Twenty is young especially for a goalie and Martinez and Olsen have the top two spots wrapped up fot the foreseeable future so no harm him going to a Championship club next year to continue his development if he impresses with Burton.
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Yeah, think playing regularly in League One is about right for Sinisalo, then could see him making the step up to the Championship next season. Finn Azaz, I'd worry that he's starting to get to the age when you'd expect him to be pushing for a spot in the first team. Half a season in league one, maybe, then push for a loan to a Championship side. Just feel that if he's not got a bit of Championship football under his belt at 23, he's not ever going to be playing at a higher level than that.
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I did not realise Azaz was 23 - Grealish was i think 18 when he went to Notts county and i think Gabby was 19 at Sheff wed so a loan move at that age looks like he is a little behind in development
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Azaz will be 22 in september. I'd imagine he's the type of player we'd be looking to sell on for a decent fee, rather than being a mainstay of our first team.
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Louie Barry apparently having a medical at MK as well, for a season-long loan.
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Azaz will be 22 in september. I'd imagine he's the type of player we'd be looking to sell on for a decent fee, rather than being a mainstay of our first team.
Arguably he has passed every test he has encountered to date so its unknown what his ceiling is. He is clocking up minutes on the pitch so hopefully will be more “ready” if he is given a chance, like Dewsbury Hall for Leicester.
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Louie Barry apparently having a medical at MK as well, for a season-long loan.
Confirmed
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62143491
Thought that he might have gone to a Championship club, but they probably opted for somewhere that he should start regularly
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I did not realise Azaz was 23 - Grealish was i think 18 when he went to Notts county and i think Gabby was 19 at Sheff wed so a loan move at that age looks like he is a little behind in development
Bad wording on my part, meant Azaz will be 23* when he comes back off loan.
* Yeah, ok, it's technically 22 and 300-and-something days ...
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I did not realise Azaz was 23 - Grealish was i think 18 when he went to Notts county and i think Gabby was 19 at Sheff wed so a loan move at that age looks like he is a little behind in development
Bad wording on my part, meant Azaz will be 23* when he comes back off loan.
* Yeah, ok, it's technically 22 and 300-and-something days ...
(https://i.ibb.co/QbRZL2K/Ca-Vj-Qt7-UMAEY4-IL.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QbRZL2K)
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Louie Barry apparently having a medical at MK as well, for a season-long loan.
Confirmed
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62143491
Thought that he might have gone to a Championship club, but they probably opted for somewhere that he should start regularly
I think it’s quite a big season for him, hopefully he kicks on.
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I'm surprised Azaz has only gone to League One. Given he was in the League Two team of the season, I was sure a few Championship clubs would have been having a sniff for this season. That said, I do trust the club and what they are trying to do with loans these days, so wish him all the best on the south coast!
Interesting to see Barry following in KKH's footsteps again. I do like that we are building relationships with some of the clubs in the lower leagues who play (or try to play) decent football, and are happy giving them promising youngsters on loan. I'm sure they would be delighted to have one talented youngster per season from us for the foreseeable future.
It's going to be interesting to see what happens with KKH. Will Gerrard move Guilbert on to make room for him in the first-team squad, or does a Championship loan beckon? We've seen what a really good season as an attacking full-back can do at Championship level with Djed Spence last season (gone from unwanted at Boro to a £20m target for Spurs), but the competition for a starting place is much more fierce in the Championship than in League One.
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I did not realise Azaz was 23 - Grealish was i think 18 when he went to Notts county and i think Gabby was 19 at Sheff wed so a loan move at that age looks like he is a little behind in development
Bad wording on my part, meant Azaz will be 23* when he comes back off loan.
* Yeah, ok, it's technically 22 and 300-and-something days ...
(https://i.ibb.co/QbRZL2K/Ca-Vj-Qt7-UMAEY4-IL.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QbRZL2K)
Fucking Hell, and I thought I was contrary for the sake of it.
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That's some next level, sickbeggar style shit going on there.
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Fun fact: North Korean babies count as one when they're born, and everyone goes up a year on 1st January not their birthday. So if you were born on New Year's Eve, you'd be two a day later.
Okay, maybe not that "fun".
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That sounds horrible. It's already bad enough, if you're born late in the calendar year. My sister was born on NYE. Most of the time if people ask her what year she was born, they assume she's already had her birthday in the current year and round-up her age. Drives her nuts, especially if she's asked it in Jan/Feb when she's not long had her "previous" birthday. I was born in November and feel it keenly, too.
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I was born on Christmas day... and it is a cnut...nothing more
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Yeah...double whammy - publicly-aged prematurely and missing-out on unique birthday presents. T'int right at all.
Still, at least you had that lovely song by Saint Etienne/The Charlatans named after you.
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I was born on Christmas day... and it is a cnut...nothing more
I've always whined about being close, the 12th, and getting 'joint birthday and Christmas presents', but that would be shit.
My old man is on the 27th, and everyone forgets.
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Only a friendly, but Finn Azaz knocked a 7th minute 25 yarder for Argyle tonight at Torquay.
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Only a friendly, but Finn Azaz knocked a 7th minute 25 yarder for Argyle tonight at Torquay.
Nice one, hopefully he’s settling in and showing them all what he can do. A big part in these loans is giving your new team mates and coaches confidence in you, so that’s a great start.
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I was born on Christmas day... and it is a cnut...nothing more
I've always whined about being close, the 12th, and getting 'joint birthday and Christmas presents', but that would be shit.
My old man is on the 27th, and everyone forgets.
I'm the 12th and my dad is the 29th, that's nearly very creepy.
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I was born on Christmas day... and it is a cnut...nothing more
I've always whined about being close, the 12th, and getting 'joint birthday and Christmas presents', but that would be shit.
My old man is on the 27th, and everyone forgets.
I'm the 12th and my dad is the 29th, that's nearly very creepy.
My stepbrother shared a birthday with both his father and grandfather.
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I was born on Christmas day... and it is a cnut...nothing more
I've always whined about being close, the 12th, and getting 'joint birthday and Christmas presents', but that would be shit.
My old man is on the 27th, and everyone forgets.
I'm the 12th and my dad is the 29th, that's nearly very creepy.
My stepbrother shared a birthday with both his father and grandfather.
…the same person? :-\
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November is our dangerous month: Our eldest grandchild is the 6th, our daughter is the 12th, mine's the 28th and our son's is the 30th.
Our daughter-in law is Christmas Day and Mrs S has siblings that share August 1st as their birthday two years apart.
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Only a friendly, but Finn Azaz knocked a 7th minute 25 yarder for Argyle tonight at Torquay.
Nice one, hopefully he’s settling in and showing them all what he can do. A big part in these loans is giving your new team mates and coaches confidence in you, so that’s a great start.
Another one for Azaz yesterday for Argyle in a friendly away at Yeovil Town. Close range tap in after the Yeovil keeper parried a shot. Argyle won 2-0.
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/26/philogene-bidace-pens-new-deal-and-seals-loan-move/
Hoping for great things, contract extension also signed for JPB
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November is our dangerous month: Our eldest grandchild is the 6th, our daughter is the 12th, mine's the 28th and our son's is the 30th.
Our daughter-in law is Christmas Day and Mrs S has siblings that share August 1st as their birthday two years apart.
My daughters bhday is xmas day, my wedding anniversary on the 29th and wifes bhday on 6th Jan. by 7th Jan im broke for the month and Villa have drawn ManUre in the 3rd of the cup.
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Winner for Azaz for Plymouth.
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Currently being sung by the Devonport End at Home Park:
C'mon without, c'mon within. You've not see nothing like the Mightly Finn.
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Wesley scored for Levante.
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Wesley scored for Levante.
Good, hopefully does well enough for them to buy him.
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Good. We have a pre-agreed fee for a decent amount (£9m I think) should he do well, this season according to Ashley Preece or similar.
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Was a neat finish, even if the 'stadium' looks to be the sort of place where Paget Rangers might be playing. Not sure whether that was a league game or a friendly for Levante but happy to take their money.
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Winner for Azaz for Plymouth.
This guy seems to really making a go offish loan spells. The Newport fans couldn't speak more highly off him. Looks like a real grafter this one, certainly not a Carney type.
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Wesley scored for Levante.
Excellent, that must have felt great for the lad. Pleased for him.
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Self-interest apart, Wesley was dealt a really shit hand and has had a terrible couple of years and who knows what might have been if Mee hadn't ruined his career. Hope he has a great season and gets his career back on track.
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Self-interest apart, Wesley was dealt a really shit hand and has had a terrible couple of years and who knows what might have been if Mee hadn't ruined his career. Hope he has a great season and gets his career back on track.
This.
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Aaron Ramsey has gone to Norwich for the season
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/august/05/aaron-ramsey-pens-new-deal-and-heads-out-on-loan/
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Wow, great move for him! Go Deano.
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Ramsey, who will wear the number 20 shirt for Norwich, told canaries.co.uk: "I worked with Dean when he was at Villa and saw what he did for my brother, so hopefully he can do that for me.
"What I want to show the fans is that I can do things other people can’t do, I can score goals and get assists – I just love creating goals.
"I’ve been to the training ground so many times and I know how nice it is around there. I’ve never played at Carrow Road before, but I can’t wait to play in front of the fans and show what I’m about."
Dean Smith added: “Aaron trained with the first team quite a lot when I was at Villa. He played during pre-season matches with us as well. He’s one that really excited myself and Shakey.
“He can score goals as well. Liam [Bramley] worked with him during their FA Youth Cup winning run as well, so we just felt that, having just lost Jonny Rowe to an injury, he’s a young one who can come in and we can help develop.
“He’s got great hunger and an urgency to learn and get better. He’s just on the back of winning the UEFA U19 tournament with England, so he’s a confident boy and has played a couple of games for Villa in pre-season against Walsall and Leeds in Australia."
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Great move for him and we get to help Deano.
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This is a great move, assuming he gets a decent amount of pitch time. Norwich will be pushing for promotion, and be under pressure to win every week, so he’s going to have to perform at high level straight away to keep a match day shirt.
Hopefully this time next season, after tearing it up in the Championship, we’ll all be as excited about seeing him in a Villa shirt as we currently are with Archer…. Good luck Aaron!
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He's the one, even more than chucked-out-maker that I've had highest hopes for. Sets goals up and has a lethal finish on him.
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Poor Aaron Ramz won't want to see this again (90 seconds in):
Deano already under a bit of pressure, Norwich bottom of the Ch'shit.
Maybe it's karma for that odd-looking away shirt of theirs? What colour is it...looks like a puddle of water after a rainbow has done its thing...
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Poor Aaron Ramz won't want to see this again (90 seconds in):
Deano already under a bit of pressure, Norwich bottom of the Ch'shit.
Maybe it's karma for that odd-looking away shirt of theirs? What colour is it...looks like a puddle of water after a rainbow has done its thing...
I just described it as like Sully from Monsters Inc.
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Finn scored for Plymouth & JPB scored for Caerdydd
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Ben Chrisenne's out on loan at Kilmarnock by the look of things:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/ayrshire/aston-villa-star-ben-chrisene-27832904
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Finn scored for Plymouth & JPB scored for Caerdydd
Finn’s got three now this season.
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Aaron Ramsey setup the winner for Norwich today.
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Ramsey getting a lot of praise from Norwich fans on their forum.
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Aaron Ramsey setup the winner for Norwich today.
He looked the part.
Dean Smith brought him on in the 60th minute in a triple substitution, which made the difference.
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Norwich's forums are crap from what I've seen. Can't find much about Aaron Ramsey.
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Why, are they all yellow?
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Norwich's forums are crap from what I've seen. Can't find much about Aaron Ramsey.
Yep, had a quick look and the match thread on the Pink 'Un didn't even mention Ramsey's assist. It was however just as moany as ours albeit with less intemperate language.
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I went on "Wrath of the Barclay" to see how Ramsey fared.Awful site but complimentary remarks.
Ben Chrisene played for Kilmarnock in their first win and according to BBC Scotland hit the underside of the bar.
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I went on "Wrath of the Barclay" to see how Ramsey fared.Awful site but complimentary remarks.
Ben Chrisene played for Kilmarnock in their first win and according to BBC Scotland hit the underside of the bar.
Kilmarnock fans please with him on their forum
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So how many do we have out on loan currently as feels like a whole 20 man squad!?
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We have a new star on our hands.....in Aaron Ramsey
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Some positive comments here about Ramsey. He seems to be growing into the task.
https://forum.pinkun.com/index.php?/topic/149545-ramsey/
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Norwich played some lovely stuff in that clip and could have had 10. Ramsey looked excellent, well done to him. I thought they’d got rid of that Cantwell fella, interesting to see him and Ramsey playing so well together.
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Looks like Ramsey Jnr is really finding his feet at Championship level, which is great news for us. Clearly he's got a bit about him for Dean to trust him through the middle like that, and better still, he's delivering. Would love to see him and JJ play together in a successful first team. Local brothers who came all the way through the youth system? Yes please!
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Norwich played some lovely stuff in that clip and could have had 10. Ramsey looked excellent, well done to him. I thought they’d got rid of that Cantwell fella, interesting to see him and Ramsey playing so well together.
Deano in helping wayward but talented player find his form shock.
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Looks like Ramsey Jnr is really finding his feet at Championship level, which is great news for us. Clearly he's got a bit about him for Dean to trust him through the middle like that, and better still, he's delivering. Would love to see him and JJ play together in a successful first team. Local brothers who came all the way through the youth system? Yes please!
We've got Cole Ramsey coming through the youth system too.
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They'll be the best trio di fratelli since Alvin, Simon and Theodore.
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Norwich played some lovely stuff in that clip and could have had 10. Ramsey looked excellent, well done to him. I thought they’d got rid of that Cantwell fella, interesting to see him and Ramsey playing so well together.
Deano in helping wayward but talented player find his form shock.
Shame he couldn't have down it for more than two games with Ross Barkley.
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Norwich played some lovely stuff in that clip and could have had 10. Ramsey looked excellent, well done to him. I thought they’d got rid of that Cantwell fella, interesting to see him and Ramsey playing so well together.
Deano in helping wayward but talented player find his form shock.
Shame he couldn't have down it for more than two games with Ross Barkley.
He's a manager not a magician
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I'm more intrigued as to what make AJ Ramsey a 'wayward' player during his 2nd loan spell as a 19 year old with a very promising future.
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I'm more intrigued as to what make AJ Ramsey a 'wayward' player during his 2nd loan spell as a 19 year old with a very promising future.
He's talking about Cantwell.
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I'm more intrigued as to what make AJ Ramsey a 'wayward' player during his 2nd loan spell as a 19 year old with a very promising future.
I was referencing Cantwell not Ramsey
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I'm more intrigued as to what make AJ Ramsey a 'wayward' player during his 2nd loan spell as a 19 year old with a very promising future.
I was referencing Cantwell not Ramsey
Ah, sorry, that makes more sense.
That said I'm not sure Cantwell fits that bill either, he's another in a long list of players too good for the championship and not good enough for the premier league.
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I'm more intrigued as to what make AJ Ramsey a 'wayward' player during his 2nd loan spell as a 19 year old with a very promising future.
I was referencing Cantwell not Ramsey
Ah, sorry, that makes more sense.
That said I'm not sure Cantwell fits that bill either, he's another in a long list of players too good for the championship and not good enough for the premier league.
That may be true but the last couple of times I'd seen him play he'd looked way off where he was a couple of years back, just completely lost.
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He definitely had gone off the rails a bit, he didn't put any effort into training at all, apparently, for a long time.
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I'm more intrigued as to what make AJ Ramsey a 'wayward' player during his 2nd loan spell as a 19 year old with a very promising future.
I was referencing Cantwell not Ramsey
Ah, sorry, that makes more sense.
That said I'm not sure Cantwell fits that bill either, he's another in a long list of players too good for the championship and not good enough for the premier league.
If Mitrovic is anything to go by, he might just not have had a manager who played to his strengths.
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He definitely had gone off the rails a bit, he didn't put any effort into training at all, apparently, for a long time.
That wouldn't surprise me at all the guy is a twat. I just think he always looked a bit our of his depth in the premier league so going down and the extra time and space that gives him, makes a big difference to how he looks as a player.
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Cantwell is a strange one, clearly has a lot of natural talent, pretty good on the ball, all the technical attributes to play at the top level - but he's not very quick and seems to have that same lazy-looking style that Chuck Jnr had. It always looks like he's not trying, even when perhaps he is. Combine that with his alleged poor attitude in training and it's no surprise Noriwch loaned him out even when fighting to survive in the premier league.
He's in the last year of his contract, so I expect he'll move on next summer, but unless he seriously impresses in the Championship this season I suspect he'll be another of the "gifted but not quite good enough" players that forever plies their trade outside the top flight.
I do think it's telling that AJ appears to have already gone ahead of him in Deano's thinking of who should be the central creative fulcrum for the side, the one moving between the lines of midfield and the forwards. Just need AJ to score a couple himself now and we'll be off to the races!
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Cantwell is a strange one, clearly has a lot of natural talent, pretty good on the ball, all the technical attributes to play at the top level - but he's not very quick and seems to have that same lazy-looking style that Chuck Jnr had. It always looks like he's not trying, even when perhaps he is. Combine that with his alleged poor attitude in training and it's no surprise Noriwch loaned him out even when fighting to survive in the premier league.
He's in the last year of his contract, so I expect he'll move on next summer, but unless he seriously impresses in the Championship this season I suspect he'll be another of the "gifted but not quite good enough" players that forever plies their trade outside the top flight.
I do think it's telling that AJ appears to have already gone ahead of him in Deano's thinking of who should be the central creative fulcrum for the side, the one moving between the lines of midfield and the forwards. Just need AJ to score a couple himself now and we'll be off to the races!
Would be fantastic if he can get say 30 plus starts in a promotion winning team, that's the perfect scenario for a loan for a very talented young player.
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Tim got 20 minutes at the end of QPR's 1-0 defeat at Swansea on Saturday - Swansea had already taken the lead when he came on.
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Ramsey with another assist for Norwich.
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Yes, he started with Cantwell in an attacking formation. They were both withdrawn on the hour mark, Deano probably wanting to protect the lead.
Tim got 85 minutes for QPR in their win at Millwall tonight.
Last night Keinan came on for a crocked Sarr, played well by all accounts but Watford dropped points. No sign of Hause, must be still injured.
Philogene was an unused sub in Cardiff's win at Middlesboro.
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Viljami Sinisalo called up to the Finland squad for the first time. https://twitter.com/VSinisalo01/status/1569990462827597824
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I wonder where HKK will fit in the 'uddersfield set-up when a new manager comes in. I hope the early departure of Schofield doesn't screw his loan experience.
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I wonder where HKK will fit in the 'uddersfield set-up when a new manager comes in.
Looks like you expect him to start on the other side now.
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Keinan scores!
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As does Brad Young.
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And Tyreik Wright!
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Wright played on left side of attack on starting for the first time, having been a sub before. His ball control and vision was obvious from the outset and he went on to set up the second goal with a peach of a cross and then scored the third goal (albeit with a slight deflection) in the 3 - 0 win against the team who were second in the table. He was also made man of the match. This week he is with the Northern Ireland u-21 squad,
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Sounds like Azaz was outstanding again for Plymouth with 2 goals at MK Dons today. They're having a great season and he must be doing a good job.
It's odd that I don't think he's ever played any games for us at any level, but he's worth watching.
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Azaz looks the real deal.
https://www.skysports.com/football/milton-keynes-dons-vs-plymouth-argyle/469094
Thanks, Baggies!
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Assist for Louie Barry aswell, but he was badly dispossed for Plymouths 4th.
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Assist for Louie Barry aswell, but he was badly dispossed for Plymouths 4th.
Goalies fault, in my opinion.
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Defending is beneath Louie.
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Azaz yet again for Plymouth
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Iroegbunam (qpr),A.Ramsey (norwich) and Chrisene (kilmarnock) all playing and their teams are leading with QPR top and Norwich 3rd,game in hand,in the Championship.
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Azaz yet again for Plymouth
He could be lining up against us this time next year the way things are going.
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Can we recall Finn or sell him for miltimillions?
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Azaz yet again for Plymouth
Cracker
https://twitter.com/academyavfc/status/1583869853928394752?s=46&t=dZPNJXLhfE66tuTWhDuN9A
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Can we recall Finn or sell him for miltimillions?
I believe it's now mandatory to refer to him Finniesta. :)
Today's was a worldie but he also took his 2 goals against MK Dons last week very well (albeit they were gifted to him).
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What a goal from Keinan. Its given me cramp just watching him get his leg into that position.
Tbf that's probably why he went off injured later.
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What a goal from Keinan. Its given me cramp just watching him get his leg into that position.
Tbf that's probably why he went off injured later.
Injured, you say ...
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Ramsey scores for Norwich against stoke.
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Ramsey scores for Norwich against stoke.
Second one
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Jaden Philogene-Bidace Scores the winner for Cardiff
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Ramsey scores for Norwich against stoke.
Second one
I'd rather some of these loan players were with Villa not bombed out on loan by Gerrard. Reckless decision and to get rid of the wingers.
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Ramsay’s second and Philogene’s were lovely goals.
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45 seconds in here...absolutely filthy finish from Jaden after making it all by himself -
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Anyone know if we can recall any of the loan players in January?
Traore and Bidace would be handy seeing as we have only one winger. Davis would be another option up front. Iroegbunam is better than Nakamba and possibly Dedonker.
If we got that lot back we could sell McGinn, Nakamba, Ings and not have to replace them all at once.
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We were able to recall players last season. Interesting to see if there are release clauses and whether Emery would want to bring them back (he might take the view that they're better where they are for their development).
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I'd be very surprised if any of the ones doing well get recalled in January. We've only tended to recall players because they weren't getting game time (Barry last season) or because they were already demonstrably capable of playing at a higher level (KKH last season).
If Unai comes in and believes we have three or four gaps that need immediate filling, he's going to the owners and asking for their chequebook, he's not going to start asking "Have you got any 19/20 year old's doing okay in the lower leagues?". He'll have a good look at them next summer I'd imagine.
I'm really enjoying seeing some of our young players thriving on loan, and I really hope it means some of them do enough to be part of the first-team squad next season. They won't ALL be able to, obviously, and if some of them generate a bit of cash like Chuk did, then that's good too.
I'm pretty sure Davis' contract is up next summer, so his time with us is done, and he'll be off on a free next summer. Good luck to him.
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Re Davis - I'm sure I read in The Athletic that we've pre-agreed a transfer deal with Watford at the end of the season, hence the loan this season - so he isn't out of contract.
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Don't think Aaron Ramsey has his own thread but he scored the winner for Norwich today, his third goal in consecutive games.
From The Athletic last week:
“Probably the thing missing from his game would be goals,” said Smith. “He’s an extremely talented player. He has great vision and balance. He knows what’s around him and has great tactical awareness. He’s very unselfish so it’s pleasing to see him get the tap in from Teemu’s good work, and then Teemu returning the favour.”
Ramsey spoke of the help and time he has already received from Pukki, including tips that worked for former Norwich and current Villa forward Emi Buendia, who brought out the best in Pukki.
“He’s so good,” said Ramsey of Pukki. “Before I got here, he was one of the ones I looked at and thought I’d love to play with him. Everyone knows what a top player and top person he is. I always knew I could link with him, and it’s worked. He knows what players want and he speaks to me about it a lot.”
Such conversations have been the focus for Ramsey rather than events at Villa Park, where Steven Gerrard was sacked as head coach and Unai Emery has since been appointed. “I’ve just looked at the scores…” said Ramsey. “I’m here and focused on here, and when I go back to Villa, I’ll go back.”
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Aaron and Tim's loans seem like big successes. I was hoping for similar from KKH bit he's not getting much game time.
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Indiana Vassilev chosen as 2nd pick in the MLS draft. https://twitter.com/ManuelVeth/status/1591223980362715136
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Is Indiana still going to be on our books in 2030?! He's the continuity punchline at the Villa, fair play to him.
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Gutted that Azaz is out for ten weeks, he’s been having a cracking season.
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What's his injury problem?
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He’s got an ankle injury, ligament damage apparently.
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He'll get over it.
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Wesley subbed after 65 minutes in Levante's draw with Ponferradina.
Jaden Philogene missed Cardiff's draw with Stoke and is likely out for a few weeks yet.
Aaron Ramsey missed Norwich's win at Swansea.
Sinisalo didn't even make the bench for Burton, not sure if he's injured.
Kaine Kesler played 78 minutes of Huddersfield's defeat at Sheffield United.
Finn Azaz is out injured as mentioned above.
Louie Barry played 77 minutes of MK Dons' defeat by Fleetwood.
Caleb Chukwuemeka played 23 minutes of Crawley's defeat by Hartlepool.
Tyreik Wright played all of Bradford's defeat by Leyton Orient.
So... not a lot to write home about today. QPR and Watford in action tomorrow.
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Cheers Chief. Footy used to be good at these updates, the helpful little tyke.
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Keinan Davis played all of Watford's draw with Hull. Hause is injured.
Tim Iroegbunam played all of QPR's 3-0 defeat to Burnley.
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Cheers Chief. Footy used to be good at these updates, the helpful little tyke.
As only an irregular contributor to this fine forum are Footy and Ads for that matter no longer on here or just having a break!?
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Yes
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Cheers Chief. Footy used to be good at these updates, the helpful little tyke.
As only an irregular contributor to this fine forum are Footy and Ads for that matter no longer on here or just having a break!?
Both are free to post anytime they like as far as I know.
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Ads hasn't even logged on in the two months since he said he couldn't see the point in posting on here any more. I assume Footy is just taking one of his many breaks where he doesn't post anything for a few weeks, before coming back and erm, catching up a bit.
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Flin5tone is also missing in action... since we won. I'm sure he will be back after the next defeat.
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Ads hasn't even logged on in the two months since he said he couldn't see the point in posting on here any more. I assume Footy is just taking one of his many breaks where he doesn't post anything for a few weeks, before coming back and erm, catching up a bit.
Cold Turkey is often the best way. At least that's what I learned watching Trainspotting.
Footie will be back on Thursday 22nd.
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Did Ads throw a strop? I tend to avoid the politics thread so didn't see what shit went down.
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Ads hasn't even logged on in the two months since he said he couldn't see the point in posting on here any more. I assume Footy is just taking one of his many breaks where he doesn't post anything for a few weeks, before coming back and erm, catching up a bit.
Cold Turkey is often the best way. At least that's what I learned watching Trainspotting.
Footie will be back on Thursday 22nd.
I've now got a mental image of Ads going cold turkey off whey protein in a spatan bedroom with Underworld soundtracking his misery.
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It's what he would have wanted.
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Spoke to a QPR fan last week ,they love Tim Iroegbunam.
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Had a good game at Preston, including smashing a 20-yarder against the post.
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Spoke to a QPR fan last week ,they love Tim Iroegbunam.
And like clockwork, his excellent form & the education that others outside of Villa get about the players potential, coincides with media rumblings that other clubs are getting interested in him. One of those blog type websites apparently has him as a future replacement for Fabinho at Liverpool. It’s no wonder there is never any change in football. As soon as a club finds a decent player, everything is done in the media to convince the player that they NEED a change of clubs & one of the media favourites stockpiles the players, loans them out to a club that can’t compete with them & the cycle of boredom continues. I despise football. If it weren’t for Villa, I would have walked away years ago…
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[ If it weren’t for Villa, I would have walked away years ago]
Spot on
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Great to see Kaine Kessler Hayden off the mark at last.
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Spoke to a QPR fan last week ,they love Tim Iroegbunam.
And like clockwork, his excellent form & the education that others outside of Villa get about the players potential, coincides with media rumblings that other clubs are getting interested in him. One of those blog type websites apparently has him as a future replacement for Fabinho at Liverpool. It’s no wonder there is never any change in football. As soon as a club finds a decent player, everything is done in the media to convince the player that they NEED a change of clubs & one of the media favourites stockpiles the players, loans them out to a club that can’t compete with them & the cycle of boredom continues. I despise football. If it weren’t for Villa, I would have walked away years ago…
You mean a bit like how we poached him from West Brom?
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Spoke to a QPR fan last week ,they love Tim Iroegbunam.
And like clockwork, his excellent form & the education that others outside of Villa get about the players potential, coincides with media rumblings that other clubs are getting interested in him. One of those blog type websites apparently has him as a future replacement for Fabinho at Liverpool. It’s no wonder there is never any change in football. As soon as a club finds a decent player, everything is done in the media to convince the player that they NEED a change of clubs & one of the media favourites stockpiles the players, loans them out to a club that can’t compete with them & the cycle of boredom continues. I despise football. If it weren’t for Villa, I would have walked away years ago…
You mean a bit like how we poached him from West Brom?
Not really. I don’t recall media noise about us being interested in him. Or that he needed to move to a “bigger” club to further his career. I do remember us signing the player. But purely signing a player isn’t what I had the issue with. Which is why I have written the specific words I have written…
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I wonder if we are going to be recalling the likes of Philogene-Bidace due to his loan now being pointless? Granted, he hasn’t covered himself in glory with his form, but the manager there is a bit clueless & Cardiff are terrible. Yet still, Philogene-Bidace is third choice winger behind the likes of Ojo & Harris. The loan is now utterly pointless, so best to recall & send out to another club. Preferably one that isn’t shit…
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With us not having many wide players, JPB could be involved for us.
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Not sure he is ready for Prem football tbh. His blistering speed & trickery on the ball count for nothing if he can’t find a consistent end product. He is a coin flip as to whether he makes it for me.
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Not sure he is ready for Prem football tbh. His blistering speed & trickery on the ball count for nothing if he can’t find a consistent end product. He is a coin flip as to whether he makes it for me.
True, but could be one of those that just seizes the chance, and given we're lacking options it's worth looking at
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Needs another loan to a Ch'ship team perhaps.
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Sinisalo being recalled from loan at Burton.
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Davis played like an absolute monster against Norwich but had to go off injured. Hamstring I think. He really was the best player on the pitch by a country mile. He was frustrated at times by the lack of quality & intelligence of his team-mates.
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He's still made of glass and still doesn't score enough. Not sure if Watford have to take-up the option to buy him in June.
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Iroegbunam played well for QPR against Sheff Utd. Passed the ball well, drove forward with the ball at times, mopped things up & closed down the opposition with pace & purpose. I have said it before, I rate the kid highly. The more I see of him, the more I like. Him, Kamara & Ramsey in our midfield could be dynamic, pacy, energetic, quality, etc, for years to come with their respective ages.
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Aaron Ramsey recalled from Norwich so that he can do his rehab from the injury and operation he had in December,
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Aaron Ramsey recalled from Norwich so that he can do his rehab from the injury and operation he had in December,
Did they say how long he will be out ?
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I guess they won't want to keep paying a % of his wages while he's crocked. Hopefully he'll get another good club once he's recovered as he has been proving himself at that level.
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https://twitter.com/total_villa/status/1610403830323347458?s=46&t=VWVOkTnAugTeqOf_8JdhxQ
Our boy Wes just got a 90th minute winner for Levante against Getafe
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Excellent, good to see him celebrating
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Wasn't someone on here saying he couldn't head the ball when he came up in discussion earlier today?!
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Brilliant. So chuffed for him.
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Well in Wes.
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I'd love to see him come back and rip thing up like prime Benteke. But sadly that kind of redemption story arc is a movie myth.
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Does anyone know exactly what Aaron's injury is?
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Does anyone know exactly what Aaron's injury is?
I read somewhere it was surgery on a knee issue.
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Wasn't someone on here saying he couldn't head the ball when he came up in discussion earlier today?!
Probably as he is mostly very shit in the air. Even a blind squirrel can find a nut once in a while.
He hasn't scored in 17 league games (9 starts) this season, so lets not get carried away.
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Was just teasing Chris, it's ok to be occasionally wrong ;)
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Was just teasing Chris, it's ok to be occasionally wrong ;)
TBF I don't think it was me who said he was shit in the air the other day. But I probably should have. He is.
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Ok.
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Matthew Lowton has signed for Huddersfield. Wonder how that might affect opportunities for KKH?
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Matthew Lowton has signed for Huddersfield. Wonder how that might affect opportunities for KKH?
I read a report indicating that he’d struggle for game time given it’s another right back but when I’ve looked at the Huddersfield team on LiveScore it’s had KKH as playing in midfield, on occasions, but not sure how accurate that is.
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KKH named in Championship team of the month for December.
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Tyreik Wright recalled from Bradford. https://www.bradfordcityafc.com/news/2023/january/wright-returns-to-villa/
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Tyreik Wright recalled from Bradford. https://www.bradfordcityafc.com/news/2023/january/wright-returns-to-villa/
Moving to Plymouth Argyle apparently. After Azaz, they are quite happy about it. I haven't the heart to tell them that he is a pace merchant with little end product...
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Young lad Chrisene playing semi final for Kilmarnock against Celtic
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Matthew Lowton has signed for Huddersfield. Wonder how that might affect opportunities for KKH?
KKH is back with us according to my algorithm news.
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Matthew Lowton has signed for Huddersfield. Wonder how that might affect opportunities for KKH?
KKH is back with us according to my algorithm news.
Good. Huddersfield are a mess.
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KKH looked lost on the Huddersfield left last week at Preston. They started him on the left of a front three, then dragged him back to left wing back.
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KKH looked lost on the Huddersfield left last week at Preston. They started him on the left of a front three, then dragged him back to left wing back.
He’s a right back?!! Which clown is in charge at the moment?
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I wonder if KKH is back so Ashley Young can cover left back now Digne is injured, Ludwig is going back to his parent club? Cash and KKH for the right back position. Unless Cash is off to Chelsea for £100m.
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It was Huddersfield who exercised their right to cut short his loan apparently.
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It was Huddersfield who exercised their right to cut short his loan apparently.
Weird. Named in the Championship team of the month recently I understand. Not a bad feat given how crap Huddersfield are.
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It was Huddersfield who exercised their right to cut short his loan apparently.
Weird. Named in the Championship team of the month recently I understand. Not a bad feat given how crap Huddersfield are.
Had a quick scan through a few forum posts and the Huddersfield fans don't seem to think he's been very good.
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It was Huddersfield who exercised their right to cut short his loan apparently.
Weird. Named in the Championship team of the month recently I understand. Not a bad feat given how crap Huddersfield are.
Had a quick scan through a few forum posts and the Huddersfield fans don't seem to think he's been very good.
well, they have been a shambles as a team so they might well say that about most of their players.
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I think it's more a case of them being in a relegation fight & they need experience rather than a young player learning his trade. If he's not going to get game time, he's better off elsewhere. Also let's Emery cast his eyes on him.
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Hope Huddersfield still pick up a bit now anyway.
Nothing to do with wanting Blues to be relegated....
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It was Huddersfield who exercised their right to cut short his loan apparently.
Weird. Named in the Championship team of the month recently I understand. Not a bad feat given how crap Huddersfield are.
Had a quick scan through a few forum posts and the Huddersfield fans don't seem to think he's been very good.
Given how he's been used by them I can't say I'm surprised, it's just been a bad loan and it's good all round that he's back with us, either to find a move that's a better fit or to give Emery a chance to look at him in training. His pace gives him a big advantage which makes it worth us not worrying over one bad spell at a club that are a mess.
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Azaz back in Plymouth team after a long lay-off. Came on as late substitute against Bolton, provided assist for injury time equaliser. Started against Cheltenham, and provided 2 assists in a 4 - 2 win.
PS Tyreik Wright scored.
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Azaz back in Plymouth team after a long lay-off. Came on as late substitute against Bolton, provided assist for injury time equaliser. Started against Cheltenham, and provided 2 assists in a 4 - 2 win.
PS Tyreik Wright scored.
PPS. No he didn't. It was another Wright.
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Some player Azaz by the sounds of it. Anyone know what the plans for him are?
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Some player Azaz by the sounds of it. Anyone know what the plans for him are?
Whole season at Plymouth (League 1?) I think then reassess in the summer, maybe up to the Championship?
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Some player Azaz by the sounds of it. Anyone know what the plans for him are?
Seems to be doing well, but he’s 22, not 18.
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Some player Azaz by the sounds of it. Anyone know what the plans for him are?
Seems to be doing well, but he’s 22, not 18.
Yeah, but also it's not like he's come through the academy exactly - joined the club in 2021 from Albion having not played for them, so presumably we weren't expecting him to make the step up to the first team straight away. And he signed a contract extension this summer, so again suggests that we see something in him.
I'd be inclined to get him on loan on the Championship next season and see where he is then.
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Some player Azaz by the sounds of it. Anyone know what the plans for him are?
Seems to be doing well, but he’s 22, not 18.
Yeah, but also it's not like he's come through the academy exactly - joined the club in 2021 from Albion having not played for them, so presumably we weren't expecting him to make the step up to the first team straight away. And he signed a contract extension this summer, so again suggests that we see something in him.
I'd be inclined to get him on loan on the Championship next season and see where he is then.
It's tough but I reckon he's one that we saw as a 50/50 who'd either improve quickly and be a decent option of squad cover or who'd do enough for us to turn a profit after a couple of seasons.
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Some player Azaz by the sounds of it. Anyone know what the plans for him are?
Seems to be doing well, but he’s 22, not 18.
Yeah, but also it's not like he's come through the academy exactly - joined the club in 2021 from Albion having not played for them, so presumably we weren't expecting him to make the step up to the first team straight away. And he signed a contract extension this summer, so again suggests that we see something in him.
I'd be inclined to get him on loan on the Championship next season and see where he is then.
It's tough but I reckon he's one that we saw as a 50/50 who'd either improve quickly and be a decent option of squad cover or who'd do enough for us to turn a profit after a couple of seasons.
But last summer we extended his contract presumably knowing that he was likely to spend the season in League One. Maybe we're fattening him up for market, but he does seem to be improving quickly to be (we bought a player who was League 2 standard, and within 18 months he looks too good for League 1).
I'd really just see how he gets on in the Championship next season. But he is at a stage where if he's not looking like a Premier League player at that point then it'd be time to sell up.
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Some player Azaz by the sounds of it. Anyone know what the plans for him are?
Seems to be doing well, but he’s 22, not 18.
Yeah, but also it's not like he's come through the academy exactly - joined the club in 2021 from Albion having not played for them, so presumably we weren't expecting him to make the step up to the first team straight away. And he signed a contract extension this summer, so again suggests that we see something in him.
I'd be inclined to get him on loan on the Championship next season and see where he is then.
Very good chance Plymouth will be in Championship next season. If so, I anticipate they will do everything they can to keep him, whether loan or buy. Considering his age, he could have some difficult decisions to make.
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They absolutely love him down in Devon. My mate was at the game yesterday & picked him out for praise. I always saw him as a revenue gaining player. We develop him for a bit & then sold him to make a bit of profit for that drawbridge raising FFP farce, but last year he was immense for Newport & then again this year for Plymouth, despite going up a league level & being injured for a period. I would look at him next year for Plymouth in the Championship & go from there. But he does looks very useful.
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Azaz back in Plymouth team after a long lay-off. Came on as late substitute against Bolton, provided assist for injury time equaliser. Started against Cheltenham, and provided 2 assists in a 4 - 2 win.
PS Tyreik Wright scored.
PPS. No he didn't. It was another Wright.
Two Wrights don't make a wrong.
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Finn looks a useful player but the amount of space he had to deliver the ball for one of his assists was ridiculous.
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/january/23/loan-round-up--iroegbunam-in-action-for-qpr/
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Bogarde to the Gas
https://www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/2023/january/lamare-bogarde-signs-for-rovers-on-loan/?fbclid=IwAR20TOwXUi5zcgCbYwxLonFbIgbXNjkZFcos1rT1imzasW9iDDHYXNjv2mA
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Plymouth lead 2-1. Azaz second goal.
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Louie Barry subbed off on 58 mins in a 1-0 loss away to Tranmere
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Did Aaron R get any gametime for VillaBoro?
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Did Aaron R get any gametime for VillaBoro?
No not in the match day squad, assume he needs to get his fitness levels back after his injury
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Did Aaron R get any gametime for VillaBoro?
No not in the match day squad, assume he needs to get his fitness levels back after his injury
Still injured apparently.
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Barry unused sub for Salford.
Tim subbed off for QPR on 76mins when 1-0 down- they went on to lose 3-0
Azaz subbed off on 66mins when 2-1 up.Argyle went on to win 3-1
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Bogarde played for Bristol Rovers. Very good comments from Rovers fans.
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What the fuq is happening at Loftus Road? From top to near the bottom over the winter, Ian Beale has behaved more like Dirty Den.
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Bogarde played for Bristol Rovers. Very good comments from Rovers fans.
Interesting to see that Bogarde played in midfield for them. He came through as a centre back, but seems to have been moved forward. He was one of the players I was most excited about a couple of years ago, but he's had a fair few injuries since then. It would be great to see him get plenty of minutes to really kick on. I wonder if he fancies a year in Portugal soon...?
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Bogarde played for Bristol Rovers. Very good comments from Rovers fans.
Interesting to see that Bogarde played in midfield for them. He came through as a centre back, but seems to have been moved forward. He was one of the players I was most excited about a couple of years ago, but he's had a fair few injuries since then. It would be great to see him get plenty of minutes to really kick on. I wonder if he fancies a year in Portugal soon...?
He has played CDM for us too. Personally, I see his future there as opposed to CB...
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He looks very good at CDM. He's quite quick, too.
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Did Aaron R get any gametime for VillaBoro?
No not in the match day squad, assume he needs to get his fitness levels back after his injury
Still injured apparently.
Came off the bench against Sheff Utd and looked good. Boro fans can't believe their luck with the squad Carrick has put together. It's going to be tough for AJ to get minutes but Carrick does use his bench well and if AJ continues to impress he'll be difficult to ignore.
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Sheffield United fans sounded worried last night.
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Sheffield United fans sounded worried last night.
They are always worried.
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I'm going to see FGR v Bristol Rovers in March. Hopefully Bogarde will be playing. Looking forward to seeing him in midfield.
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Watched Philogene-Bidace last night for Cardiff. He was one of their better players in a 1-0 win, but the more I watch him, the more convinced that he wont make it at Villa.
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Proper loan watch today with Archer and Aaron Ramsey vs Iroegbunam in Middlesbrough v QPR
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Goal from Ramsey Jr for Boro today
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Goal from Ramsey Jr for Boro today
Think he won the pen for their first too.
JPB scored for Cardiff against Brizzle City.
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2 for our Aaron today.
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QPR lost again - Tim not having a great time. Let's hope he's learning stuff.
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Unless he's injured, I'm surprised we're not putting KKH on the bench. I think KKH, Ramsey Junior, Iroegbunam and Archer will be part of the first team squad next season which might mean that we're not bringing in as many players in the summer as people might be expecting.
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Goal from Ramsey Jr for Boro today
Think he won the pen for their first too.
JPB scored for Cardiff against Brizzle City.
Can see the goals here:
https://www.skysports.com/football/middlesbrough-vs-reading/report/468238
https://www.skysports.com/football/cardiff-city-vs-bristol-city/report/468234
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AJ looks like he bossed that game. If he maintains that consistently he'll soon be ready to step up to the Premier League.
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AJ looks like he bossed that game. If he maintains that consistently he'll soon be ready to step up to the Premier League.
Surprised he didn’t take the penalty for their 5th and his hat-trick.
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I think the player that won the penalty is their designated taker. Akpom was also on two as well.
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How did Cam do ?
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Goal disallowed for a marginal offside. Played well.
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Ramsey is almost as ruthless in front of goal as Archer. That first one took some amount of confidence, he could have easily ballsed it up and he had options to his right.
Not lacking any confidence, he knew he could bury it in the bottom corner and he did. I hope these two lads get a run in our first team next season. If Boro come up, I guess they'll be in for them on permanent deals.
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Goal disallowed for a marginal offside. Played well.
I think AJ played him in for that too.
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Is anyone watching our other loanees? C'mon, I know the Jedinator actually gets paid for it but some H&Vers cut their teeth watching Eurogoals on Eurosport. Sanson, Wesley and whoever else - how they doin'?
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Bogarde doing well apparently - https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/joey-barton-raves-liverpool-aston-8218747.
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Is anyone watching our other loanees? C'mon, I know the Jedinator actually gets paid for it but some H&Vers cut their teeth watching Eurogoals on Eurosport. Sanson, Wesley and whoever else - how they doin'?
The latter two are not loaners in the same sense (ie, they're "just go away somewhere else until your contract ends" types, so who cares, not "you could be the future, go forth to the lower leagues and be awesome" loans)
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Really quite excited by the prospect of the two Ramseys and Archer being in and around the first team squad next season. There's nothing quite as magical as a home-grown, Villa-supporting player.
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Another very good performance by Azaz for Plymouth tonight, although the penalty he won was minimal contact.
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Another very good performance by Azaz for Plymouth tonight, although the penalty he won was minimal contact.
A few former Villans for Derby too. Hot Lips and the younger James Collins.
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How old's the 'younger' James Collins now?
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Really quite excited by the prospect of the two Ramseys and Archer being in and around the first team squad next season. There's nothing quite as magical as a home-grown, Villa-supporting player.
I was amazed at the technical level of Aaron Ramsey at the weekend. Considering it was his first start for Boro (missed his Norwich games), he's certainly given Carrick plenty to think about and I'm not even mentioning the goals. Lovely footballer on so many levels.
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Oh yeah, his control and technical quality stood out in the FA Touth Cup winning team. Now that's he's filling out physically, the guy is gonna be even more of a baller than his big brother. And Cole Ramsey will hopefully usurp the two of them.
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Filling out in the Touth Cup?
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I hope he has the confidence to shout on sight.
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Oh yeah, his control and technical quality stood out in the FA Touth Cup winning team. Now that's he's filling out physically, the guy is gonna be even more of a baller than his big brother. And Cole Ramsey will hopefully usurp the two of them.
Is Aaron the most talented of all our recent academy graduates? Even on the highlights he has a first touch on him that Jacob can only dream of.
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I think he went under the radar a little with so much talk about Chukwuemeka.
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I don't think he's kicked a ball in competition for us has he? I've been following his loan spells and he seems to have been good wherever he's been. I think the lad deserves a chance next season and I'm sure the staff are monitoring him, at least I hope so.
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I don't think he's kicked a ball in competition for us has he? I've been following his loan spells and he seems to have been good wherever he's been. I think the lad deserves a chance next season and I'm sure the staff are monitoring him, at least I hope so.
He played against barrow in the league cup i believe.
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I think he went under the radar a little with so much talk about Chukwuemeka.
Both Aaron and Chukwuemeka destroyed teams in that Youth Cup run. They're probably on a similar level to eachother but there was a lot of talk about the latter. Although people have been saying that Aaron is better than Jacob for as long as they've both been on the scene.
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It's great to see Aaron getting plenty of game time as I always felt he was one of those unlucky players that just missed out on various opportunities. He didn't get to play against Liverpool in the FA Cup because I think he was still living with Jacob so had to isolate with him. Then he missed a couple of important games in the Youth Cup run, I think coming on as sub in the final because he wasn't fully fit. Up until his injury, I agree with OCD - he'd been as impressive as Chukwuemeka in that run.
Sometimes little setbacks like that can have a huge impact on a young player, but he seems to have ploughed on regardless. He has always been a very neat and tidy player, really good at give and go's around the box. But he seems to be adding a bit more physicality to his game now as well. I hope he keeps pushing on for the rest of the season so we can have a look at him over the summer.
On a wider point - how nice is it to have players on loan at a level that, not very long ago, our first team was struggling to play at? I want us to progress quicker, obviously, but we have come a long way in the last 4 years or so.
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Bogarde, who arrived within minutes of the January transfer deadline, has started the past four games for the Gas, playing slightly different midfield roles. In the win at Oxford United in late February, he was tasked with getting from box to box and he won the crucial penalty to take the lead en route to ending a seven-game winless run.
He backed that up with a more defensively-focused showing against Barnsley on Saturday, stoking roars from the terraces with some meaty challenges as well as moving the ball crisply and efficiently.
"He’s quality, isn’t he?" Barton said after Saturday's stalemate with Barnsley. "You can see his composure and he is young in terms of years on the clock, but he is very mature and he passes the ball correctly.
"The one thing that is labelled at this technical, certainly foreign player is they don’t dig in and have a bite. For me, if you watch Lamare he does a bit of everything.
"He is another young player, but another with enormous potential."
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How old's the 'younger' James Collins now?
32 :-[
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I don't think he's kicked a ball in competition for us has he? I've been following his loan spells and he seems to have been good wherever he's been. I think the lad deserves a chance next season and I'm sure the staff are monitoring him, at least I hope so.
He played against barrow in the league cup i believe.
Typical. I watched that Barrow game and can't remember him in it at all.
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On a wider point - how nice is it to have players on loan at a level that, not very long ago, our first team was struggling to play at? I want us to progress quicker, obviously, but we have come a long way in the last 4 years or so.
A really good point. It feels like the foundations, or roots, of the club are as healthy as they’ve been in a long time.
Some luck and continuity with the management and you’d hope that the first team will start feeling the benefit soon.
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Bogarde, who arrived within minutes of the January transfer deadline, has started the past four games for the Gas, playing slightly different midfield roles. In the win at Oxford United in late February, he was tasked with getting from box to box and he won the crucial penalty to take the lead en route to ending a seven-game winless run.
He backed that up with a more defensively-focused showing against Barnsley on Saturday, stoking roars from the terraces with some meaty challenges as well as moving the ball crisply and efficiently.
"He’s quality, isn’t he?" Barton said after Saturday's stalemate with Barnsley. "You can see his composure and he is young in terms of years on the clock, but he is very mature and he passes the ball correctly.
"The one thing that is labelled at this technical, certainly foreign player is they don’t dig in and have a bite. For me, if you watch Lamare he does a bit of everything.
"He is another young player, but another with enormous potential."
I'm glad he's doing well, I think he could become a very good player but he seemed to stand still for a while, probably because he really needed senior football. With him, Feeney and Smith I hope we'll have 1-2 come through to fill the 4th/5th CB role.
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Fin Azaz got another assist and MOTM last night. 7 goals 7 assists for the season, he looks a player
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He does, he'd be a late breakthrough at a high level given his age.
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Bogarde, who arrived within minutes of the January transfer deadline, has started the past four games for the Gas, playing slightly different midfield roles. In the win at Oxford United in late February, he was tasked with getting from box to box and he won the crucial penalty to take the lead en route to ending a seven-game winless run.
He backed that up with a more defensively-focused showing against Barnsley on Saturday, stoking roars from the terraces with some meaty challenges as well as moving the ball crisply and efficiently.
"He’s quality, isn’t he?" Barton said after Saturday's stalemate with Barnsley. "You can see his composure and he is young in terms of years on the clock, but he is very mature and he passes the ball correctly.
"The one thing that is labelled at this technical, certainly foreign player is they don’t dig in and have a bite. For me, if you watch Lamare he does a bit of everything.
"He is another young player, but another with enormous potential."
I guess it's good news but I'd really have to question the wisdom of letting any of our young players benefit from Joey Barton's man management.
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Bogarde, who arrived within minutes of the January transfer deadline, has started the past four games for the Gas, playing slightly different midfield roles. In the win at Oxford United in late February, he was tasked with getting from box to box and he won the crucial penalty to take the lead en route to ending a seven-game winless run.
He backed that up with a more defensively-focused showing against Barnsley on Saturday, stoking roars from the terraces with some meaty challenges as well as moving the ball crisply and efficiently.
"He’s quality, isn’t he?" Barton said after Saturday's stalemate with Barnsley. "You can see his composure and he is young in terms of years on the clock, but he is very mature and he passes the ball correctly.
"The one thing that is labelled at this technical, certainly foreign player is they don’t dig in and have a bite. For me, if you watch Lamare he does a bit of everything.
"He is another young player, but another with enormous potential."
I'm glad he's doing well, I think he could become a very good player but he seemed to stand still for a while, probably because he really needed senior football. With him, Feeney and Smith I hope we'll have 1-2 come through to fill the 4th/5th CB role.
Bogarde's being used as a midfielder so he might become an understudy for Kamara.
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Bogarde's being used as a midfielder so he might become an understudy for Kamara.
Along with Tim, I'd hope.
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Bogarde, who arrived within minutes of the January transfer deadline, has started the past four games for the Gas, playing slightly different midfield roles. In the win at Oxford United in late February, he was tasked with getting from box to box and he won the crucial penalty to take the lead en route to ending a seven-game winless run.
He backed that up with a more defensively-focused showing against Barnsley on Saturday, stoking roars from the terraces with some meaty challenges as well as moving the ball crisply and efficiently.
"He’s quality, isn’t he?" Barton said after Saturday's stalemate with Barnsley. "You can see his composure and he is young in terms of years on the clock, but he is very mature and he passes the ball correctly.
"The one thing that is labelled at this technical, certainly foreign player is they don’t dig in and have a bite. For me, if you watch Lamare he does a bit of everything.
"He is another young player, but another with enormous potential."
I'm glad he's doing well, I think he could become a very good player but he seemed to stand still for a while, probably because he really needed senior football. With him, Feeney and Smith I hope we'll have 1-2 come through to fill the 4th/5th CB role.
Bogarde's being used as a midfielder so he might become an understudy for Kamara.
Honestly I'd like him to be comfortable as both. Players who can cover 2-3 positions and do different jobs game-to-game are really useful to have around and are generally technically sound, which helps for the type of build-up Emery is going for.
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Bogarde, who arrived within minutes of the January transfer deadline, has started the past four games for the Gas, playing slightly different midfield roles. In the win at Oxford United in late February, he was tasked with getting from box to box and he won the crucial penalty to take the lead en route to ending a seven-game winless run.
He backed that up with a more defensively-focused showing against Barnsley on Saturday, stoking roars from the terraces with some meaty challenges as well as moving the ball crisply and efficiently.
"He’s quality, isn’t he?" Barton said after Saturday's stalemate with Barnsley. "You can see his composure and he is young in terms of years on the clock, but he is very mature and he passes the ball correctly.
"The one thing that is labelled at this technical, certainly foreign player is they don’t dig in and have a bite. For me, if you watch Lamare he does a bit of everything.
"He is another young player, but another with enormous potential."
I'm glad he's doing well, I think he could become a very good player but he seemed to stand still for a while, probably because he really needed senior football. With him, Feeney and Smith I hope we'll have 1-2 come through to fill the 4th/5th CB role.
Bogarde's being used as a midfielder so he might become an understudy for Kamara.
Honestly I'd like him to be comfortable as both. Players who can cover 2-3 positions and do different jobs game-to-game are really useful to have around and are generally technically sound, which helps for the type of build-up Emery is going for.
Chambers, who isn't that great, seems to have found a bit of a niche with us in terms of him providing backups as 4th choice defender and 4th choice DM. For Bogarde, I'd really be targeting Chambers' role in the side, because he could pretty much drop in as a replacement for him, and end up playing a decent number of games purely because he's good enough in a couple of positions. But he's much younger than Chambers, so could potentially use those appearances to make a claim for a more senior place in the squad.
It's something that will be harder for Archer, Ramsey, and Iroegbunam purely because they're competing against more senior players - Emery's not going to have a player in the squad purely on the basis that they might get on the bench if another player's injured, which currently would be the situation for Tim Iroegbunam (since you'd definitely play Dougie, Kamara, and Dendonker ahead of him)
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He does, he'd be a late breakthrough at a high level given his age.
He's only 22 and climbing the leagues very impressively. He's also very physical, I could absolutely see him in the prem
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He does, he'd be a late breakthrough at a high level given his age.
He's only 22 and climbing the leagues very impressively. He's also very physical, I could absolutely see him in the prem
The thing that strikes me with Azaz is that we only bought him 18 months ago, and before that he'd only really featured in Albion's thinking for 12 months (when they sent him out on loan). He's done well on every loan he's been on from what I can tell. I think he's a player that it might be worth deviating from the if-they're-not-in-the-first-team-at-20-then-they-must-be-shit approach, he's perhaps a bit of a late bloomer.
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Dewsbury-Hall at Leicester is 24 now but only playing his second season of Premier League football, having had a couple of loans. Not all players take the same route.
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Dewsbury-Hall at Leicester is 24 now but only playing his second season of Premier League football, having had a couple of loans. Not all players take the same route.
He had to spend a few years accomodating secondary school geography field trips.
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Dewsbury-Hall at Leicester is 24 now but only playing his second season of Premier League football, having had a couple of loans. Not all players take the same route.
He had to spend a few years accomodating secondary school geography field trips.
His career is progressing at a stately pace.
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If transferred he would fetch a princely sum
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He does, he'd be a late breakthrough at a high level given his age.
He's only 22 and climbing the leagues very impressively. He's also very physical, I could absolutely see him in the prem
For some reason I thought I read that he was 24. Ok, that's interesting. And agree with you/Algy.
From what I've seen and read he seems to have "nous" for want of a better word, that is rare in young players. Unphased, picking-up experience very quickly and impacting games consistently.
I can't see us giving more than two or three youngsters their head each season, he might be one that'll just miss out at the Villa but he should at least be playing Ch'ship football next season.
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Louie Barry just scored for Salford.
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AJ and Archer both start today for Boro away at Swansea.
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Tim scores for QPR.
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And Ramsey scores for 'boro
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And archer scores the 2nd
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Amd Cam for Boro
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Great day for the Villa kids. I realize we were all a bit upset we didn’t add a bit more in January but when you consider the kids we have our on loan we need to give them a chance too. All of them; Finn, Cam, AJ, JPB, Tim, even Louie Barry got a goal last night I believe. Let’s take a good look at all of them
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Nakamba in Luton team winning at Sheffield United.
Archer, Ramsey and Nakamba could all get promoted to the premiership this season. Could help fees if they are sold.
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Nearing time for an Aaron Ramsey thread of his own, isn't it?
Wonderful player.
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AJ constantly looked a threat in the 20 minutes I watched.
Good to see several Villa players scoring even though we weren't playing.
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What a good day for the Villa youngsters. This is fantastic experience for them and I hope they can be of use to our first team soon.
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Man, look at the way A Ramz takes his goals - he is next level stuff.
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Man, look at the way A Ramz takes his goals - he is next level stuff.
Lovely finish
https://twitter.com/thevillahome/status/1634612109425123333?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
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Saw Bogarde play at FGR today. Played Defensive midfield in a two. Very impressive. Cool in possession. Clever passing in tight areas. Made some great interceptions and also an assist. It's a very physical league. Bristol Rovers won 3-1.
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Saw Bogarde play at FGR today. Played Defensive midfield in a two. Very impressive. Cool in possession. Clever passing in tight areas. Made some great interceptions and also an assist. It's a very physical league. Bristol Rovers won 3-1.
One mate who is a Gashead was singing his praises a week ago, saying he was surprised how he was coping with the physicality of division 1
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Saw Bogarde play at FGR today. Played Defensive midfield in a two. Very impressive. Cool in possession. Clever passing in tight areas. Made some great interceptions and also an assist. It's a very physical league. Bristol Rovers won 3-1.
Bloody hell, wouldn’t want to get in the way of Duncan Ferguson and Joey Barton having a set to, that’s got to be the most unhinged manager match up in history.
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Saw Bogarde play at FGR today. Played Defensive midfield in a two. Very impressive. Cool in possession. Clever passing in tight areas. Made some great interceptions and also an assist. It's a very physical league. Bristol Rovers won 3-1.
Bloody hell, wouldn’t want to get in the way of Duncan Ferguson and Joey Barton having a set to, that’s got to be the most unhinged manager match up in history.
El Twatico
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It was said Aaron Ramsey coming through was thought of as more highly rated than Jacob Ramsey...
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I hope there’s a big “Thank you Villa” thread on the Boro forums.
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'That second half performance will live long in the memory. One of the best performances from an attacking boro player I have seen he had everything.'
That was a view on Ramsey today. I think he is the better of the two loanees there.
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Re Bristol Rovers. They had Scott Sinclair on the wing ad Glen Whealan came on in the 85 min or so for Bogarde.
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Jeesh, don't these lads ever give up?
I hope Mrs Whelan has adjusted ok to a difference in lifestyle since Glen was on his Villa contract.
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Oh man, that Ramsey goal is special, I'm doing that thing again were I convince myself we've got a fucking gem.
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Just caught the ITV Championship highlights (didn't know they had the rights but since getting ITVX without ads, I've been having a mooch at the content).
Wanted to see Tim Iroegubnam's goal for QPR and bugger-me, if it wasn't our own Jack Woodward on commentary! A fine finish from our young lad, cue Jack: "Tim the teenage talent is thriving".
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https://www.skysports.com/football/middlesbrough-vs-stoke-city/report/468257
Middlesboro 1- 1 Stoke.
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Archer (2), Philogene and Davis all on target so far today.
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And Barry has an assist for Salford
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There’s often a debate whether a young player should/shouldn’t go out on loan, for me the joy and hope generated by seeing a player doing well makes loans well worth it. Take Kessler, we rarely mention him now but was developing nicely whilst at Swindon. Archer has gone from being a non-story (some posters excluded) to having a genuine buzz about him.
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Keinan's goal - oh, I say!
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I think Cam, A Ramsey and Iroegbunam will all be part of the first team squad next season. That's going to allow us to spend big on fewer positions.
I've got a sneaky feeling that Emery's spending time on the training ground to get Kessler ready to replace Ashley Young next year too.
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I want to see how Finn Azaz does too along with JPB. Very exciting times
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I want to see how Finn Azaz does too along with JPB. Very exciting times
The worst case with these players is we can sell them for say £2-5M (with decent sell on clauses). That could pay for the staff at the academy for another season. Rinse and repeat and the future is very promising.
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The Barry assist is very good, it's good to see him starting to show his quality.
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I saw an article the other day that was praising Middlesbrough for having the foresight 2 academy lads from the same club who had been playing together for years. And you could see that with Aaron Ramsey playing on the left of their front 3 and Archer and Akpom often swapping positions. The article suggested this might happen more often (they neglected that Sheffield United already have 2 Man City players on loan).
My first thought was how beneficial it would be for us if several of our kids were integrated into the first team squad, having gone and got that first team experience at a good level.
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Finn Azaz’s Plymouth went top of League One tonight.
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Philogene's just scored a corker for cardiff
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And some beautiful set-up play from Ramsey and Archer for Boro's opener just now.
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Their understanding of playing together could be a big plus for us.
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Philogene scored for Cardiff in a 3-2 defeat to Swansea today. I bet that was “lively” afterwards.
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What the hell has happened to Watford? Three managers this season and no better off. I *think* The Athletic said back in August that they are obliged to complete the signing of Keinan in the summer at a pre-agreed price?
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I see Tim Iroegbunam missed QPR's game at Wigan yesterday. Is he injured?
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Philogene scored for Cardiff in a 3-2 defeat to Swansea today. I bet that was “lively” afterwards.
Good goal.
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And some beautiful set-up play from Ramsey and Archer for Boro's opener just now.
Fantastic move.
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Barry didn't get off the bench for Salford on Friday.
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For some reason a Luton fan page appeared in my Facebook feed as a suggested page. However this was the post
Luton Town have only conceded two goals from open play in the last 13 games and Marvelous Nakamba is a big part of that.
He made 10 tackles in the win over Watford; No player has made more in a Championship match this season.
#COYH |🇿🇼 Marvelous Nakamba
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Barry didn't get off the bench for Salford on Friday.
Is that why he didn't take the penalty?
*Sorry.
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Nakamba Luton player of the month.
https://www.lutontown.co.uk/news/2023/april/nakamba-diamond/
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Marvellous.
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Does Aaron Ramsey not have his own thread yet? Great diving header to drag Boro back into it against Weimann-Pieman's lot, away at Bristol.
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Ramsey got an assist as well as a goal.
Cam came on as a late sub. Made a lovely finish but was marginally offside. The through ball was just a little late. If it was the Premier League, the VAR lines would have been out.
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Looks like they'll have to settle for the Play Offs and Luton look like the best-coached side in the division outside of Burnley.
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Does Aaron Ramsey not have his own thread yet? Great diving header to drag Boro back into it against Weimann-Pieman's lot, away at Bristol.
No, only Cameron for some reason.
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Feel free to start one.
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well Cam was a lot more of known entity having scored first team goals for us. Plus the links to Leeg. What has been incredible through all of this is how much Aaron has come into his own.
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I think Tim Irogbuenam, Louie Barry and maybe a couple of others not quite at Aaron's development stage, have their own. I like that he has stealthily risen up through the ranks, relatively unnoticed. A bit like, er, the Villa themselves!
Norwich, where he was on-loan under Deano, could certainly do with him right now, they are struggling to create and score.
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A. Ramsey is a quality player.
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Feel free to start one.
Nah, i'll wait until they've earned it.
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Feel free to start one.
Nah, i'll wait until they've earned it.
Who?
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Looks like they'll have to settle for the Play Offs and Luton look like the best-coached side in the division outside of Burnley.
Rob Edwards came through the academy at Villa but has also played and coached at Wolves. Is he a Villa fan?
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Feel free to start one.
Nah, i'll wait until they've earned it.
Who?
I assume he does not think A. Ramsey has earned his own thread on here like the others have.
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Looks like they'll have to settle for the Play Offs and Luton look like the best-coached side in the division outside of Burnley.
Rob Edwards came through the academy at Villa but has also played and coached at Wolves. Is he a Villa fan?
No. He is a wolves fan
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JPB’s footwork is lovely in these clips. I do wonder what it will be like for all of them when they return. Most left under Gerrard and will come back to a very, very different Aston Villa under Emery.
https://twitter.com/buendiazboyz/status/1645571139345829892?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
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JPB’s footwork is lovely in these clips. I do wonder what it will be like for all of them when they return. Most left under Gerrard and will come back to a very, very different Aston Villa under Emery.
https://twitter.com/buendiazboyz/status/1645571139345829892?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
He was was subbed after 30 odd minutes yesterday, apparently for not following instructions. He's got skills but seems to dwell too long on the ball in those clips, and then make the wrong decision. I expect Ramsey, Archer and Tim are well ahead of him in the pecking order at Villa.
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He was was subbed after 30 odd minutes yesterday, apparently for not following instructions.
If Emery can’t get him to follow instructions, then no one can. It will be exciting to see which of the loanees Emery decides to bring into the first team squad next season.
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A. Ramsey is a quality player.
Agree, he has great ability, like Cam I really hope over the next couple of months they continue being big players who get Boro promoted via play offs. Feels like this loan is massive for both…from promising kids to trusted senior players.
‘If’ we get to Europe next season I hope Cam, Ramsey, Irogbenum, Bogarde & Azaz are kept around the squad until Christmas as there will be a lot of games and a lot of match day squads to be involved in
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I always felt that there was a touch of "King Herod" the way Gerrard dealt with some of our youngsters. I was fuming when he sent Tim on loan, but he hasn't kicked on. Granted, QPR have been a bit of a basket case since he went there so hopefully it won't effect him too much.
I sat down to watch Archer for the first time yesterday so was disappointed to find him on the bench but was very impressed with A. Ramsey.
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Tim has kicked-on. He's been a regular starter for QPR til the last couple of games. He's been top of the table this season, under Beale and then gone through the last few months of horrific form where his team have struggled for any win. All important experience for him.
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Feel free to start one.
Nah, i'll wait until they've earned it.
You just haven’t earned it yet Ramsey.
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Looks like they'll have to settle for the Play Offs and Luton look like the best-coached side in the division outside of Burnley.
Rob Edwards came through the academy at Villa but has also played and coached at Wolves. Is he a Villa fan?
No. He is a wolves fan
Cheers, thought he might be Wolves as any Vila allegiance hadn't been mentioned here.
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I was fairly impressed with Aaron's game last night. He was accurate with his passing read the play well for his well taken goal and was always involved. I don't think he's quite there yet but as others have alluded, if he responds well to the coaching at Bodymoor Heath in the summer he may have a chance next season.
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Jaden Philogene is apparently off to Chelsea for 9m - 12m
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Watching A. Ramsey yesterday was interesting. He had large periods missing in the game in the first half, but he ran the show in the second half. His goal was quality, as was his involvement & assist for the second. Watching him in the second half cemented my view that he will fit better in the position that J. Ramsey is currently filling now, better than J. Ramsey. Thats not to say he is a better player, I just think the way he finds space & passes the ball will fit better than J. Ramsey currently does. But both are exciting players to have at the club.
I think Tim Irogbuenam, Louie Barry and maybe a couple of others not quite at Aaron's development stage, have their own. I like that he has stealthily risen up through the ranks, relatively unnoticed. A bit like, er, the Villa themselves!
Norwich, where he was on-loan under Deano, could certainly do with him right now, they are struggling to create and score.
Iroegbunam is 100% at A. Ramseys development stage. The problem he has had since Beale left QPR is that the next couple of managers have been a bit shit, their results have suffered & so has he & hid reputation. I think he has been pushed further forward too because he can drive forward with the ball. Which is a mistake. While Beale was at QPR, he was used as a holding mid & his pace & tenacity, mixed with his ability to pass well & run with the ball made him an exceptional player & a bit of a surprise for the players trying to close him down.
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Jaden Philogene is apparently off to Chelsea for 9m - 12m
That's a very strange one, so I'd put it down as a fake rumour. He clearly has bags of natural ability, but he hasn't exactly set the Championship alight (despite his highlight reel being very impressive).
He's also 21, so I think this summer, like Archer, will be a make or break time with the club. If Emery doesn't think he has what it takes to make it as a first-team squad member this summer, I can see him going - but to Chelsea for £10m+? I'd be very surprised.
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Aaron Ramsey now has a better goals per minute ratio than Cameron Archer for boro, averaging a goal every 161 minutes (to Cam's one every 170 mins).
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Chelsea's business model makes me sick.
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Chelsea's business model makes me sick.
It is an odd one. Spend big on potential, don't play them, watch their value drop.
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Chelsea's business model makes me sick.
It is an odd one. Spend big on potential, don't play them, watch their value drop.
Not really. Spend big on potential and give them massive salaries (and set their families up with homes and jobs) so all the young talent wants to go there because they pay the most. Play the ones who are good enough, keep loaning out the ones that aren't until they find the right level to be sold at.
In the last three years Abraham, Gilmour, Zouma, Tomori, Pasalic, Aina and Kalas has brought in around £140m in transfer fees.
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Based on just his footwork, you could imagine him turning up at Dortmund, tearing it up and people asking where he came from. Obviously there's more to it than that so we'll have to see what Emery does with him.
Azaz and Bogarde need to be playing regular Championship football next season. Maybe with some other talents being ready to get their first taste of league fooball. Feeney, Kellyman, T O'Reilly and K Young perhaps.
AJ's really come on leaps and bounds this season. He surprised me with how much of an impact he had at Norwich. Then he got injured and Smith had a bad time and got sacked. Then at Middlesbrough, he's shown maturity at times and looked like he might not be far away from being a part of our squad. I expect Iroegbunam to be an understudy to Kamara and start making appearances.
There's some interesting links to 20-21 year old's who have only played a season or two. I wonder whether a part of our strategy is going to be to identify talent in that sort of bracket and immediately loan them out. Bit like Chelsea but more strategic and less scattergun.
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Based on just his footwork, you could imagine him turning up at Dortmund, tearing it up and people asking where he came from. Obviously there's more to it than that so we'll have to see what Emery does with him.
Azaz and Bogarde need to be playing regular Championship football next season. Maybe with some other talents being ready to get their first taste of league fooball. Feeney, Kellyman, T O'Reilly and K Young perhaps.
AJ's really come on leaps and bounds this season. He surprised me with how much of an impact he had at Norwich. Then he got injured and Smith had a bad time and got sacked. Then at Middlesbrough, he's shown maturity at times and looked like he might not be far away from being a part of our squad. I expect Iroegbunam to be an understudy to Kamara and start making appearances.
There's some interesting links to 20-21 year old's who have only played a season or two. I wonder whether a part of our strategy is going to be to identify talent in that sort of bracket and immediately loan them out. Bit like Chelsea but more strategic and less scattergun.
Rory Wilson & Kerr Smith too...
I agree about Iroegbunam being Kamaras understudy & will be cover for both him & Luiz. A. Ramsey will most likely become cover & competition to J. Ramsey. And eventually will overtake him for that spot. I think he will suit it better.
I think the heavy investment in 16/17 year old quality players for the academy in recent years shows that the comments made by Purslow about players needing to be around the first team at the ages of 18/19-ish are being acted upon & we have a solid plan.
I do see some similarities with the Chelsea model, but we aren't going around spunking money, jobs, cars & houses on their entourages. By bringing in quite a few players & developing them in the right way, we may surprise ourselves with more players like Finn Azaz, who I think was initially brought in to sell for profit, but he has forced his way into our longer term thinking.
Philogene-Bidace is a coin flip for me. For all the fast feet & pace, he lacks consistent end product & will most likely be sold to a Championship club like Preston...
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Aaron Ramsey now has a better goals per minute ratio than Cameron Archer for boro, averaging a goal every 161 minutes (to Cam's one every 170 mins).
Is that just for 'Boro or include his earlier loan spell as well?
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Aaron Ramsey now has a better goals per minute ratio than Cameron Archer for boro, averaging a goal every 161 minutes (to Cam's one every 170 mins).
Is that just for 'Boro or include his earlier loan spell as well?
Oh, just Boro, I was looking at Boro's BBC results page!
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Cheers.
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Chelsea's business model makes me sick.
It is an odd one. Spend big on potential, don't play them, watch their value drop.
Not really. Spend big on potential and give them massive salaries (and set their families up with homes and jobs) so all the young talent wants to go there because they pay the most. Play the ones who are good enough, keep loaning out the ones that aren't until they find the right level to be sold at.
In the last three years Abraham, Gilmour, Zouma, Tomori, Pasalic, Aina and Kalas has brought in around £140m in transfer fees.
Yeah, they've made an immense amount of money doing that.
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Chelsea's business model makes me sick.
It is an odd one. Spend big on potential, don't play them, watch their value drop.
Not really. Spend big on potential and give them massive salaries (and set their families up with homes and jobs) so all the young talent wants to go there because they pay the most. Play the ones who are good enough, keep loaning out the ones that aren't until they find the right level to be sold at.
In the last three years Abraham, Gilmour, Zouma, Tomori, Pasalic, Aina and Kalas has brought in around £140m in transfer fees.
there’s a few more:
Guehi at palace cost £18m according to wiki
Livramento at Southampton cost about £5m from memory
Gallagher elevated his price tag to, I dunno, £40m whilst at Palace
Annoying but Chelsea do a good job at breeding footballers.
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Gallagher elevated his price tag to, I dunno, £40m whilst at Palace
You're probably right about 40m, but honestly, if Villa paid that much money for someone so staggeringly average as him, I'd be distraught.
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Aaron Ramsey now has a better goals per minute ratio than Cameron Archer for boro, averaging a goal every 161 minutes (to Cam's one every 170 mins).
Which is the fair comparison. Because all other variables are the same.
Is that just for 'Boro or include his earlier loan spell as well?
Oh, just Boro, I was looking at Boro's BBC results page!
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Gallagher elevated his price tag to, I dunno, £40m whilst at Palace
You're probably right about 40m, but honestly, if Villa paid that much money for someone so staggeringly average as him, I'd be distraught.
He hasn’t shown much at Chelsea but he looked really good at Palace.
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Looked good at Palace, at Chelsea he seems to just come on and run round charging onto people…obviously enough to continually get into England squads though
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Easy to look lost at that basket case of a football club tbh.
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Yes, they even hid Mourinho inside a kit basket to circumvent his ban ahead of one Chumps League game, didnt they
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I'd trust Emery with any signing right now. I'd also trust our recruitment team too.
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Archer with an assist for Ramsey.
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Has a team's promotion bid ever been so dependent on 2 loan signings from the same club?
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Decent night so far for Villabrough
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2 goals & 2 assists for Archer, 1 goal for A. Ramsey.
Not a bad night at all...
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Louie Barry sent off
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Louie Barry sent off for Salford.
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Carlisle United 2 v 3 Salford City
Barry wide left in a front 3. Played a lovely ball between full back and centre-back for the first goal. Ran at the defence for fun. Left the field early second half with what looked to be a kidney complaint.
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Seems to be finding his feet. Big season for him next year.
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I think they’ve done well with Barry, after that Cup goal they could have just thrown him in, he would have sunk….he’s still raw and learning…next year league one or champ loan and hopefully he’ll develop like Archer who let’s face it when he wasn’t pulling up trees at Solihull Lee was in a minority of one who thought he’d make it & he’s flying now and a good career awaits
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Youth players seem to go through spurts of development. If I remember right, Cam started well at Solihull, picked up an injury and then struggled a bit for form. He had a summer break and then really impressed our coaches in pre-season, did well in some cup games then really came to prominance at Preston. A lot seemed to happen in that summer and it seems to have been the making of him.
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Philogene-Bidace played ok for Cardiff earlier today. Got an assist & was their most dangerous player. Cardiff are a bit shit though.
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JPB named Cardiff’s Young player of the year.
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Couple of QPR twitter accounts raving about Tim, one tipping him for a Champions League career, another saying he’ll be a PL regular starter at 21 (he’s only 19 currently).
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Couple of QPR twitter accounts raving about Tim, one tipping him for a Champions League career, another saying he’ll be a PL regular starter at 21 (he’s only 19 currently).
Strikes me as a player who should be kept around if we do make Europe for first half of season at least, as well as Archer and A.Ramsey…there will be plenty of matches for them to get minutes.
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Couple of QPR twitter accounts raving about Tim, one tipping him for a Champions League career, another saying he’ll be a PL regular starter at 21 (he’s only 19 currently).
Strikes me as a player who should be kept around if we do make Europe for first half of season at least, as well as Archer and A.Ramsey…there will be plenty of matches for them to get minutes.
Totally agree.
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Couple of QPR twitter accounts raving about Tim, one tipping him for a Champions League career, another saying he’ll be a PL regular starter at 21 (he’s only 19 currently).
Strikes me as a player who should be kept around if we do make Europe for first half of season at least, as well as Archer and A.Ramsey…there will be plenty of matches for them to get minutes.
Plus late subs in matches. All that pace & youthful energy could be quite explosive.
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Finn scored a good goal for Plymouth today as they won the league.
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Finn scored a good goal for Plymouth today as they won the league.
Third goal; took it very well.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11738/12872861/port-vale-1-3-plymouth-argyle-comeback-victory-secures-league-one-title
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I see Davis scored for Watford today. Hope they buy him. 9 goals including 2 cup goals. Not exactly ripped it up again. Shame, decent player at that level.
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I see Davis scored for Watford today. Hope they buy him. 9 goals including 2 cup goals. Not exactly ripped it up again. Shame, decent player at that level.
Last summer was his premium sale time…can’t believe he never ended up at Forest…he might still this summer but nowhere near fee spoke about last summer
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I see Davis scored for Watford today. Hope they buy him. 9 goals including 2 cup goals. Not exactly ripped it up again. Shame, decent player at that level.
Last summer was his premium sale time…can’t believe he never ended up at Forest…he might still this summer but nowhere near fee spoke about last summer
I think you’re right Gareth, we will be lucky to get 2 to 3 mill for him now.
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There's already an agreed permanent fee for him with Watford, as part of his loan-deal last summer. Not sure if they have to follow through with it, I think the Athletic said it was around £10m. If not, we'll probably get half that amount selling him elsewhere.
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Think it was an obligation if promoted so doubt they’ll take him
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There's already an agreed permanent fee for him with Watford, as part of his loan-deal last summer. Not sure if they have to follow through with it, I think the Athletic said it was around £10m. If not, we'll probably get half that amount selling him elsewhere.
I'm not sure it'll be half, he's worth £10m to someone (he'd be fantastic for Southampton down there for example). He's never going to score a hatful, 10-12 a season in the championship is probably about his peak, but he brings so much more on top that any team with goals elsewhere in the squad will benefit from him. Forest are a perfect example, he was a massive part of why they were promoted because him being there made the rest of their team better.
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There's already an agreed permanent fee for him with Watford, as part of his loan-deal last summer. Not sure if they have to follow through with it, I think the Athletic said it was around £10m. If not, we'll probably get half that amount selling him elsewhere.
I'm not sure it'll be half, he's worth £10m to someone (he'd be fantastic for Southampton down there for example). He's never going to score a hatful, 10-12 a season in the championship is probably about his peak, but he brings so much more on top that any team with goals elsewhere in the squad will benefit from him. Forest are a perfect example, he was a massive part of why they were promoted because him being there made the rest of their team better.
Main issue with him is he cannot stay fit for long periods of time. Will always seem to miss a few months of the season without fail
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Davis is a good player but an average striker. His injury record is rotten, and that's always going to affect how he's viewed. He's got a goal in every four/five games at Forest and Watford, which would be OK if he was fit all the time, because as Paul says he offers more than just goals, but as he's often injured he's never going to be seen as a main man. He's 25 now, so he needs to move on. Could see the fee being anywhere between £5m and £10m.
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There's already an agreed permanent fee for him with Watford, as part of his loan-deal last summer. Not sure if they have to follow through with it, I think the Athletic said it was around £10m. If not, we'll probably get half that amount selling him elsewhere.
I'm not sure it'll be half, he's worth £10m to someone (he'd be fantastic for Southampton down there for example).
They spent £15m on Onuachu in January, and I can't imagine he'd be going anywhere else - and he's the sort of "brilliant in Belgium, can't make the Premier League step-up" who would probably tear up the Championship anyway. At 6ft 7 he probably does the thing that a team would want Davis to do.
You wouldn't think Armstrong and Adams have done enough to warrant a Premier League side signing them either, and both have scored buckets in the Championship in the past, so I expect they're fully set for strikers.
Even a 34 year old Walcott will probably stick 15 away next season.
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There's already an agreed permanent fee for him with Watford, as part of his loan-deal last summer. Not sure if they have to follow through with it, I think the Athletic said it was around £10m. If not, we'll probably get half that amount selling him elsewhere.
I'm not sure it'll be half, he's worth £10m to someone (he'd be fantastic for Southampton down there for example).
They spent £15m on Onuachu in January, and I can't imagine he'd be going anywhere else - and he's the sort of "brilliant in Belgium, can't make the Premier League step-up" who would probably tear up the Championship anyway. At 6ft 7 he probably does the thing that a team would want Davis to do.
You wouldn't think Armstrong and Adams have done enough to warrant a Premier League side signing them either, and both have scored buckets in the Championship in the past, so I expect they're fully set for strikers.
Even a 34 year old Walcott will probably stick 15 away next season.
I'd forgotten about Onuachu to be fair but I was mostly thinking about how people like Adams and Armstrong would love to play alongside Davis and let him do all the dirty work for them. That said I think the same would be true for most of the sides in the relegation mix and for a fair few sides around the top half of the championship as well.
Davis is a good player but an average striker. His injury record is rotten, and that's always going to affect how he's viewed. He's got a goal in every four/five games at Forest and Watford, which would be OK if he was fit all the time, because as Paul says he offers more than just goals, but as he's often injured he's never going to be seen as a main man. He's 25 now, so he needs to move on. Could see the fee being anywhere between £5m and £10m.
Value is probably fair, i just think it'll be much closer to the top end of that scale, even iwth all the injuries he's a player that has a big impact on almost every game he plays, and for a team chasing promotion that's worth a gamble.
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If Leicester stick with Smith when they go down, he could be an option there.
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If Leicester stick with Smith when they go down, he could be an option there.
Yep, you wonder whether Vardy will realise he's past it and hang up his boots, or give it another year at a lower level.
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If Leicester stick with Smith when they go down, he could be an option there.
Yep, you wonder whether Vardy will realise he's past it and hang up his boots, or give it another year at a lower level.
He's still got his stupid wife's legal bills to pay off, reckon he'll do another year down there.
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If Leicester stick with Smith when they go down, he could be an option there.
I doubt they will, he's not exactly pulling up any trees there.
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If Leicester stick with Smith when they go down, he could be an option there.
I doubt they will, he's not exactly pulling up any trees there.
He isn't, but can they afford anybody better?
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I found this on Twitter. It's an interesting review of Iroegbunam from a QPR fan.
https://twitter.com/r_insights23/status/1653131611930501145 (https://twitter.com/r_insights23/status/1653131611930501145)
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I found this on Twitter. It's an interesting review of Iroegbunam from a QPR fan.
https://twitter.com/r_insights23/status/1653131611930501145 (https://twitter.com/r_insights23/status/1653131611930501145)
Interesting and positive stuff given QPR have had a poor season. Cheers for posting it.
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Answering whether the thread is for Villa or QPR fans...
"For both to be honest, otherwise all you’ll hear about his loan will be a wishy washy article from “Birmingham Live”"
Birmingham Mail's reputation is broad lol.
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Sanson looks like he did well:
https://twitter.com/morgan_sanson8/status/1665757301720875008?s=46&t=XNNJBP5dvH3h87s3C5xRMg
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Decent player but not good enough for where we are hoping to go
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Decent player but not good enough for where we are hoping to go
If we are attempting to sign Tielemans then I don't see where Sanson fits in. I just don't see him competing with Dougie/Kamara/Dendonker/maybe Tielemans for a more holding role. And I think there's even less chance of him filling a gap currently occupied by McGinn/Ramsey/Coutinho/Buendia.
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He's a strange one. No one has really said anything bad about him, yet he never gets anywhere with us.
Didn't Emery sing his praises before saying it's very difficult to give him game time?
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It’s an enigma.
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I found this on Twitter. It's an interesting review of Iroegbunam from a QPR fan.
https://twitter.com/r_insights23/status/1653131611930501145 (https://twitter.com/r_insights23/status/1653131611930501145)
Interesting read.
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I found this on Twitter. It's an interesting review of Iroegbunam from a QPR fan.
https://twitter.com/r_insights23/status/1653131611930501145 (https://twitter.com/r_insights23/status/1653131611930501145)
Interesting read.
Great potential this lad, my favourite of the youngsters.
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I found this on Twitter. It's an interesting review of Iroegbunam from a QPR fan.
https://twitter.com/r_insights23/status/1653131611930501145 (https://twitter.com/r_insights23/status/1653131611930501145)
Interesting read.
So nice to read fans being respectful to each other and having a decent technical conversation.
I have Generally liked the QPR fans I have met.
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I found this on Twitter. It's an interesting review of Iroegbunam from a QPR fan.
https://twitter.com/r_insights23/status/1653131611930501145 (https://twitter.com/r_insights23/status/1653131611930501145)
Interesting read.
Great potential this lad, my favourite of the youngsters.
Yeah, mine too. 👍
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That's very exciting to read!
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Time to bring Morg and Tim back for our assault on Europe. Not bothered about signing Teleman or Gwendoozy.
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Time to bring Morg and Tim back for our assault on Europe. Not bothered about signing Teleman or Gwendoozy.
Really? Trust players who have only played in the French league and championship...bring em back and sign both tiellemans and guendozi and loan out one of the others after preseason
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Sorry, I know you're probably right but I have attachment issues.
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Surely, players playing at the top end of the Championship and excelling are going to be able to compete against most of the sides in the conference league?
Aaron Ramsey and Archer certainly would.
Iroegbunam I think would go out on loan again as he is less consistent than the other two, but if he did stay in the setup then he'd definitely get time on the pitch too.
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I really hope that a few of the younger guys join the first team group for the upcoming season I don't think i'm alone in predicting the possibility of some young players seeing action in domestic cup tournaments and the Europa Conference League.
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Finn Azaz back down the M5.
Season long loan at Plymouth Argyle Argyle l.
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1686753729377189888?t=LkqasQUky4OzNT2G93Jtog&s=08
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Our strategy on the young ones we're unsure about seems to be to extend their contracts, rather than sell them, and then see how they fare on-loan. I presume we think that he may yet "explode" in which case we get a nice transfer fee or give him a shot at first team football here.
Are loan-fees a common thing between PL and Championship clubs? Or are they all so close to being skint that they offer to top up his wages and guarantee that they'll give him a run of games as long as he trains well and fits the team tactics?
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Well it beats bomb squads and free transfers as the norm.
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It is also hugely sensible for FFP purposes (Azaz a bit different, I know).
Chelsea and Man City both do very well producing young players who barely ever play for them.
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Finn Azaz back down the M5.
Season long loan at Plymouth Argyle Argyle l.
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1686753729377189888?t=LkqasQUky4OzNT2G93Jtog&s=08
That’s great, my Argyle season ticket holed mate will be well pleased.
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It is also hugely sensible for FFP purposes (Azaz a bit different, I know).
Chelsea and Man City both do very well producing young players who barely ever play for them.
Guardiola said in an interview that Man City have made £80m from academy players. It does appear that if you pump enough cash in you can build an academy that consistently produces top quality players (like Man City and Chelsea). Arguably a club like villa will have the added USP that we might actually play some of our graduates too.
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They’ve raised somewhere in the order of 40m this summer already selling players I’ve never even heard of (at least until the u21 tournament). Presume they put buy-back clauses in all too so it’s in effect a very lucrative loan deal if they choose.
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The other thing about selling home grown players is you can bank the entire sum for one year FFP purposes if you like. That's a massive bonus, and what we profited from with the Grealish and Chukwuemeka cash.
It's also a pointer to why we are doing something else Man City did, ie build an inner city academy next to the stadium.
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The other thing about selling home grown players is you can bank the entire sum for one year FFP purposes if you like. That's a massive bonus, and what we profited from with the Grealish and Chukwuemeka cash.
It's also a pointer to why we are doing something else Man City did, ie build an inner city academy next to the stadium.
that’s a good point and illustrates why a club might be better selling (with a buy back) rather than a series of loans.
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Finn Azaz back down the M5.
Season long loan at Plymouth Argyle Argyle l.
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1686753729377189888?t=LkqasQUky4OzNT2G93Jtog&s=08
That’s great, my Argyle season ticket holed mate will be well pleased.
Yep. My brother in law & nephew are too.
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Finn Azaz back down the M5.
Season long loan at Plymouth Argyle Argyle l.
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1686753729377189888?t=LkqasQUky4OzNT2G93Jtog&s=08
That’s great, my Argyle season ticket holed mate will be well pleased.
Yep. My brother in law & nephew are too.
He sounds extremely popular with their fans, my mate said their form took a tumble when he got injured last season.
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Finn Azaz back down the M5.
Season long loan at Plymouth Argyle Argyle l.
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1686753729377189888?t=LkqasQUky4OzNT2G93Jtog&s=08
That’s great, my Argyle season ticket holed mate will be well pleased.
Yep. My brother in law & nephew are too.
He sounds extremely popular with their fans, my mate said their form took a tumble when he got injured last season.
Yes, he is. They absolutely love him.
My brother in law & nephew both said to me that they have seen Azaz do things that others at the club cannot skill wise & they struggled when he was out injured.
My cleaner said a very similar thing & they were all desperate for him to return.
They are all extremely happy... 👍
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Finn Azaz back down the M5.
Season long loan at Plymouth Argyle Argyle l.
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1686753729377189888?t=LkqasQUky4OzNT2G93Jtog&s=08
That’s great, my Argyle season ticket holed mate will be well pleased.
Yep. My brother in law & nephew are too.
He sounds extremely popular with their fans, my mate said their form took a tumble when he got injured last season.
Yes, he is. They absolutely love him.
My brother in law & nephew both said to me that they have seen Azaz do things that others at the club cannot skill wise & they struggled when he was out injured.
My cleaner said a very similar thing & they were all desperate for him to return.
They are all extremely happy... 👍
Well let’s hope he and they have a good season….oh and that’ll be £15m please if you want to sign him.
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Finn Azaz back down the M5.
Season long loan at Plymouth Argyle Argyle l.
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1686753729377189888?t=LkqasQUky4OzNT2G93Jtog&s=08
That’s great, my Argyle season ticket holed mate will be well pleased.
Yep. My brother in law & nephew are too.
He sounds extremely popular with their fans, my mate said their form took a tumble when he got injured last season.
Yes, he is. They absolutely love him.
My brother in law & nephew both said to me that they have seen Azaz do things that others at the club cannot skill wise & they struggled when he was out injured.
My cleaner said a very similar thing & they were all desperate for him to return.
They are all extremely happy... 👍
What does your butler reckon?
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😂
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Excellently put. I was gonna jibe with the same angle but it wouldn't have matched Percy's effort.
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KKH with an assist v Huddersfield. Plymouth leading 3-1. Azaz an unused sub so far.
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KKH with an assist v Huddersfield. Plymouth leading 3-1. Azaz an unused sub so far.
The BBC suggests he is playing left back. Glad he’s starting but its a big ask to play out of position.
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Louie Barry subbed on 64' for Stockport owing to injury
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KKH with an assist v Huddersfield. Plymouth leading 3-1. Azaz an unused sub so far.
The BBC suggests he is playing left back. Glad he’s starting but its a big ask to play out of position.
From a mate who has a ST at Home Park:
KKH had a really good game, mainly as a left back but interchanged with Mumba nicely in midfield.
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Azaz came on in the end.
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KKH with an assist v Huddersfield. Plymouth leading 3-1. Azaz an unused sub so far.
If that's the one I've just seen its a five yard pass followed by the other guy running through the whole Huddersfield team.
They all count though.
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Barry starts for Stockport.
Azaz on the bench for Plymouth,no Kesler-Hayden in the squad
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Kesler injured apparently.
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Surprised Azaz is on the bench considering how well he did there last year.
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Surprised Azaz is on the bench considering how well he did there last year.
He’s not yet fully match fit, I think.
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Anyone been watching Exeter City at all? Sinisalo seems to be doing alright so far. No idea what the standard of play is like in Lg1 but they're 2nd with only 2 goals conceded in 5 games.
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Anyone been watching Exeter City at all? Sinisalo seems to be doing alright so far. No idea what the standard of play is like in Lg1 but they're 2nd with only 2 goals conceded in 5 games.
Saw him play on TV a couple of weeks ago. Looked ok
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Anyone been watching Exeter City at all? Sinisalo seems to be doing alright so far. No idea what the standard of play is like in Lg1 but they're 2nd with only 2 goals conceded in 5 games.
Involved in a penalty shootout in the Carabao Cup this evening. Has just saved a penalty allowing Exeter to beat Stevenage.
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KKH had a good game tonight by the look of it.
https://x.com/argyle/status/1696641823765131329?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
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Anyone been watching Exeter City at all? Sinisalo seems to be doing alright so far. No idea what the standard of play is like in Lg1 but they're 2nd with only 2 goals conceded in 5 games.
Involved in a penalty shootout in the Carabao Cup this evening. Has just saved a penalty allowing Exeter to beat Stevenage.
So he is better than Olsen then.
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KKH had a good game tonight by the look of it.
https://x.com/argyle/status/1696641823765131329?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
They absolutely love him...
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Couple of decent saves from Sinisalo (in blue) although the one he let in looks a bit soft. Touch of the Martinez about him when he saves the penalty
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I think that's harsh, the guy had the time and space to put it either side so he had to stay central until after the header and from there it was right in the corner, first choice top flight keepers might get there not many outside that group.
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KKH had a good game tonight by the look of it.
https://x.com/argyle/status/1696641823765131329?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
They absolutely love him...
Caught a bit of the commentary last night...."oozes quality" or words to that effect!
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I think that's harsh, the guy had the time and space to put it either side so he had to stay central until after the header and from there it was right in the corner, first choice top flight keepers might get there not many outside that group.
Fair enough, I only watched it once and was really just looking at him. Looked a bit like the goal Olsen conceded against Burnley in that he seemed to jump but do nothing with his arms. Which is obviously not what's happening.
Looks a decent enough keeper though, hopefully Exeter get a glamour tie in the next round so we might get to watch a full match of him.
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I think that's harsh, the guy had the time and space to put it either side so he had to stay central until after the header and from there it was right in the corner, first choice top flight keepers might get there not many outside that group.
Fair enough, I only watched it once and was really just looking at him. Looked a bit like the goal Olsen conceded against Burnley in that he seemed to jump but do nothing with his arms. Which is obviously not what's happening.
Looks a decent enough keeper though, hopefully Exeter get a glamour tie in the next round so we might get to watch a full match of him.
From what I've seen of them I think him and Marschall are both very good young keepers and either would've bene a solid choice as 3rd for this season. I hope they both develop and can fight it out for 2nd and 3rd spots next season.
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In National League circles, Marschall is regarded as a bit dodgy on corners.
He's got plenty of time to work on that, of course.
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Chisom Afoka off on loan to Bradford. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/66684927
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Seb Revan to Rotherham
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Seb Revan to Rotherham
Good move for him. Hope he does really well for them.
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Cameron Archer gets off the mark at Bramall Lane.
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Azaz scores for Plymouth.
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I think Barry has scored for Stockport too...
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I think Barry has scored for Stockport too...
He did, in a 2-3 loss.
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Another clean sheet for Sinisalo at Exeter. They're top of Lg1 as of now, only 2 goals conceded in 6 games.
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I think Barry has scored for Stockport too...
He did, in a 2-3 loss.
That will be his 3rd in 6 League 2 games...
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I think Barry has scored for Stockport too...
He did, in a 2-3 loss.
That will be his 3rd in 6 League 2 games...
Long may it continue. If he has any hope of making it with us he really needs to be getting 20+ at that level.
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Sinisalo's Finish accent must be impossible for players to understand.
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I really rate Sinisalo, I wouldn't be surprised if he comes back and takes Olsen's place in the squad either in January or next summer.
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https://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=64051
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Was a great strike by Barry for Stockport.
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I really rate Sinisalo, I wouldn't be surprised if he comes back and takes Olsen's place in the squad either in January or next summer.
Yeah, he's definitely the player on loan I'm most interested in keeping track of.
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https://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=64051