Quote from: Smirker on June 24, 2022, 08:37:58 PMThe star is an embarrassment. It signifies we won the top club competition in Europe, arguably the world at a time you had to be a league champion to do so. There is literally nothing embarrassing about it. You could argue for or against it on the badge but embarrassing? Not in the least.
The star is an embarrassment.
Like with so many things that happened in that time, it was a really poor job done on the badge/crest. I don't think winning the European Cup is an embarrassment but the desperation to shoehorn a star into the design any way possible is a little bit small-time and something more like what we would ridicule certain clubs for (though it wouldn't be the European cup in their case). We have a tradition of being classy about the way we do things. There are ways of celebrating our successes and acknowledging our history. I don't think we need to include a star as part of our identity to do that. I would rather our club be run in such a way that it's always looking to win the next trophy than fixating on successes that fewer and fewer members of our fanbase will remember.
Quote from: Smirker on June 25, 2022, 02:19:02 AMQuote from: Toronto Villa on June 24, 2022, 11:53:41 PMQuote from: Smirker on June 24, 2022, 10:58:11 PMQuote from: Toronto Villa on June 24, 2022, 09:28:01 PMQuote from: Smirker on June 24, 2022, 08:37:58 PMThe star is an embarrassment. It signifies we won the top club competition in Europe, arguably the world at a time you had to be a league champion to do so. There is literally nothing embarrassing about it. You could argue for or against it on the badge but embarrassing? Not in the least.It is embarrassing. We were that desperate to shoehorn it in we put it inside the crest and made it lopsided. And that's not taking into account how small it makes us look. It smacks of an inferiority complex honestly.So do Forest have an inferiority complex? How about Ajax, Bayern, OM, Juventus, Borussia Dortmund, AC Milan, Inter, Benfica etc?Forest are the only other English club that does this for the EC which says something yes. Most of those other countries have rules in place for awarding stars and is more of a tradition. They don't just place it inside their badge even if it looks shit just to shout about their achievement.Is what i think. Plus the first people to start going on about stars were Tim Lovejoy and friends.
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 24, 2022, 11:53:41 PMQuote from: Smirker on June 24, 2022, 10:58:11 PMQuote from: Toronto Villa on June 24, 2022, 09:28:01 PMQuote from: Smirker on June 24, 2022, 08:37:58 PMThe star is an embarrassment. It signifies we won the top club competition in Europe, arguably the world at a time you had to be a league champion to do so. There is literally nothing embarrassing about it. You could argue for or against it on the badge but embarrassing? Not in the least.It is embarrassing. We were that desperate to shoehorn it in we put it inside the crest and made it lopsided. And that's not taking into account how small it makes us look. It smacks of an inferiority complex honestly.So do Forest have an inferiority complex? How about Ajax, Bayern, OM, Juventus, Borussia Dortmund, AC Milan, Inter, Benfica etc?Forest are the only other English club that does this for the EC which says something yes. Most of those other countries have rules in place for awarding stars and is more of a tradition. They don't just place it inside their badge even if it looks shit just to shout about their achievement.
Quote from: Smirker on June 24, 2022, 10:58:11 PMQuote from: Toronto Villa on June 24, 2022, 09:28:01 PMQuote from: Smirker on June 24, 2022, 08:37:58 PMThe star is an embarrassment. It signifies we won the top club competition in Europe, arguably the world at a time you had to be a league champion to do so. There is literally nothing embarrassing about it. You could argue for or against it on the badge but embarrassing? Not in the least.It is embarrassing. We were that desperate to shoehorn it in we put it inside the crest and made it lopsided. And that's not taking into account how small it makes us look. It smacks of an inferiority complex honestly.So do Forest have an inferiority complex? How about Ajax, Bayern, OM, Juventus, Borussia Dortmund, AC Milan, Inter, Benfica etc?
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 24, 2022, 09:28:01 PMQuote from: Smirker on June 24, 2022, 08:37:58 PMThe star is an embarrassment. It signifies we won the top club competition in Europe, arguably the world at a time you had to be a league champion to do so. There is literally nothing embarrassing about it. You could argue for or against it on the badge but embarrassing? Not in the least.It is embarrassing. We were that desperate to shoehorn it in we put it inside the crest and made it lopsided. And that's not taking into account how small it makes us look. It smacks of an inferiority complex honestly.
Quote from: Rory on June 25, 2022, 04:18:28 AMI don't think a star should be incorporated into our crest. If we can't have it above, then leave it. I don't give a toss about 'prepared' (meaningless), '1874' (who cares?) or 'F.C.' (of course we are).We are the old boys of English football. We have the heritage, the class, the pedigree, the colours, the name. 'Aston Villa' and the lion is enough. It SHOULD be a marketing dream. We're the original 'superclub', down on our luck in recent years but fighting back. We're the Villa. 'Nuff said.Prepared is a motto that means what it says.1874, you should care, you talk of us being the' old boys, the heritage' yet want to chuck away an identifier of that?
I don't think a star should be incorporated into our crest. If we can't have it above, then leave it. I don't give a toss about 'prepared' (meaningless), '1874' (who cares?) or 'F.C.' (of course we are).We are the old boys of English football. We have the heritage, the class, the pedigree, the colours, the name. 'Aston Villa' and the lion is enough. It SHOULD be a marketing dream. We're the original 'superclub', down on our luck in recent years but fighting back. We're the Villa. 'Nuff said.
Quote from: Drummond on June 25, 2022, 10:50:21 AMQuote from: Rory on June 25, 2022, 04:18:28 AMI don't think a star should be incorporated into our crest. If we can't have it above, then leave it. I don't give a toss about 'prepared' (meaningless), '1874' (who cares?) or 'F.C.' (of course we are).We are the old boys of English football. We have the heritage, the class, the pedigree, the colours, the name. 'Aston Villa' and the lion is enough. It SHOULD be a marketing dream. We're the original 'superclub', down on our luck in recent years but fighting back. We're the Villa. 'Nuff said.Prepared is a motto that means what it says.1874, you should care, you talk of us being the' old boys, the heritage' yet want to chuck away an identifier of that?Our name is our currency. I don't think we need 'prepared' or 1874 on the crest because I don't think those things communicate anything in particular about the spirit of the club. SHA have 1875 on theirs, but it doesn't make them any less shit.
I'd rather base the new crest on the one we had in the 90s. Glad they're committed to binning the current one though. It's awful, looks cheap and you get the impression Lerner knocked it up with a packet of crayons one afternoon after a night on the piss
Is that their record attendance?