Gerrard In or Out?

[Beard82]

I saw a league table of where we would be starting from Gerrard first game. We were 9th (iir)

Unless we’re in dire trouble he has to be given the full season. I don’t want us to be a Watford and start changing managers whenever there’s a blip

You only have to look at Arsenal and Arteta last season. Their fans wanted rid for the majority of the season, yet look at them now.
Further back in history Man U fans were calling for Fergies head…

I think for the moment sticking with Gerrard and giving him the backing and the opportunity to implement his own ideas is the right thing to do but for every example where patience has proved to be right thing there is a manager who was given too long by a dithering board.

I think that’s right - only time will tell if that’s the right thing - but we need to give him every chance of success we can starting by signing Phil.  We bought into him and his plan and we need to back that - he’s probably hit all the hard targets

Not completely convinced but we’ve started so well finish and he has shown signs of learning, another 6 points will be nice though - and a win against Man City and I’ll probably get his face tattooed on my arm

[Beard82]

I agree, and the signs appear to suggest that Gerrard himself is keen to surround himself with players that share exactly that winning attitude.

I am not sure how he can do that on recruitment  front? How do you identify a winning attitude in an individual who has been scouted  for you by someone else? Would you say that all 25 Man City first teamers have a winning attitude? I would say that they are all high quality superb players first and  winning attitude is instilled by the Manager/coach.

They do aptitude tests on them:

“Your 2 nil up against a local rival with 10 minutes to go, do you”
A - win
B - lose

[curiousorange]

I agree, and the signs appear to suggest that Gerrard himself is keen to surround himself with players that share exactly that winning attitude.

I am not sure how he can do that on recruitment  front? How do you identify a winning attitude in an individual who has been scouted  for you by someone else? Would you say that all 25 Man City first teamers have a winning attitude? I would say that they are all high quality superb players first and  winning attitude is instilled by the Manager/coach.

They do aptitude tests on them:

“Your 2 nil up against a local rival with 10 minutes to go, do you”
A - win
B - lose

Winners play in his league squads. Losers play in his league cup squads.

[SaddVillan]

Rangers through to a Euro Final.
Gerrard's legacy at Ibrox?

[Sexual Ealing]

Rangers through to a Euro Final.
Gerrard's legacy at Ibrox?

That's a reach.

[Brazilian Villain]

Rangers through to a Euro Final.
Gerrard's legacy at Ibrox?

I think I know what you're saying, in the '82 team carried on Ron Saunders' legacy kind of way?

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It's Gerrard's team, so he's laid significant ground work, foundations, structure and all for it. He takes a good slice of credit, the same as Saunders had for building our title and subsequent European Cup winning side.

[Footy-Vill]

Well actually there has been a slight tweak in the tactical system at Rangers
I read the biggest change is that the Giovanni van Bronckhorst made is that SG two inside 10s have been ditched in favour of out and out wingers.
Something really Villa should be having given our personnel

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Tweak. Small tinkering of the original machine. Not significant overhaul. My point remains undiminished.

Differentiate between Smith and Bruce where the former had to build a defence, because the later was a clown.

[paul_e]

That doesn't reqally make much difference though, it's Gerrards squad that was trained by Gerrards coaches. For exactly the same reason as I don't like to judge an incoming manager without them having a pre-season I think when a manager leaves mid-season the team becomes a hybrid of him and the new manager and it's only 10-15 games into the next season where you can start to really see the impact of the change. Before that you're looking a minor changes and a shuffling of the deck at most.

Gerrard and GVB deserve credit for them getting where they are just like Smith and Gerrard share the 'credit' for where we are in the league.

[Drummond]

Tweak. Small tinkering of the original machine. Not significant overhaul. My point remains undiminished.

Differentiate between Smith and Bruce where the former had to build a defence, because the later was a clown.

So our improved form is down to Dean Smith?

[Footy-Vill]

I think us playing without wingers has made a difference  at times in attacking sense

[Risso]

Well actually there has been a slight tweak in the tactical system at Rangers
I read the biggest change is that the Giovanni van Bronckhorst made is that SG two inside 10s have been ditched in favour of out and out wingers.
Something really Villa should be having given our personnel

Given our personnel of two of the most injury prone wingers in the world who spend weeks out after tripping over a blade of grass? Yep, really good idea that, can't see any issues whatsoever.

[Footy-Vill]

We need more than a DM to suit Gerrards playing system.
Will need a overhaul of improvement in quality player (according to SG) to suit how he wants to play.
That transition is all well and good but if it either doesn't work out or when change comes it's like we haven't stick to our previous building and identity and changed the whole process and project merely for SG.
I mean Buendia pathway is blocked because of Coutinho
I'm not sure SG is the type of guy who will work with the tools he's got and will just demand more players
I think some said this was like a MON  approach to success.

[Chico Hamilton III]

Saunders got us to the EC quarter finals. Gerrard managed 4 europa league games this season ( excluding the playoffs ) where he played 4, lost 2, drew 1 and won 1. Their record since he left is far better.

I’m not in the Gerrard out camp yet but I won’t be mentioning him in the same sentence as Saunders for a while