Gerrard In or Out?

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One trophy from nine with his previous club is not a successful CV in the context of the (new) Old Firm.

Overturning a monopoly where 1 club had a decades head start isn't to be sniffed at.

[Brazilian Villain]

People need to get over their Smith obsession. He's gone. Probably rightly so.

As for now, we aren't doing well enough, and nothing on Gerrwood's failed managerial CV suggests we will get any better. I was hoping I'd be proven wrong, but, sadly, it remains a pathetic, starstruck appointment based entirely on his name and playing career.

The way to fix the mistake isn't to throw hundreds of millions at it, buying players that his October/November replacement won't necessarily want, it's to get rid of him this summer and bring in an actual manager. And get rid of Purslow, too.

I think your 2nd paragraph probably tells us you're not worth engaging on the point further.

To be fair to CD he's been pretty consistent in his criticism of Stevie G. He didn't even change his allegiance from the 'Bully Wee' to the 'Teddy Bears' until after Gerrard had left Ibrox for B6.

[paul_e]

One trophy from nine with his previous club is not a successful CV in the context of the (new) Old Firm.

In context i don't think it's that simple, and that's with me thinking he was a very risky appointment.

[PaulWinch again]

One trophy from nine with his previous club is not a successful CV in the context of the (new) Old Firm.

Overturning a monopoly where 1 club had a decades head start isn't to be sniffed at.

Quite. Again doesn’t mean he’ll succeed or fail, but saying he has a failed CV is unfair in my view. Also the comparisons with Sherwood are just flawed.

[Nunkin1965]

People need to get over their Smith obsession. He's gone. Probably rightly so.

As for now, we aren't doing well enough, and nothing on Gerrwood's failed managerial CV suggests we will get any better. I was hoping I'd be proven wrong, but, sadly, it remains a pathetic, starstruck appointment based entirely on his name and playing career.

The way to fix the mistake isn't to throw hundreds of millions at it, buying players that his October/November replacement won't necessarily want, it's to get rid of him this summer and bring in an actual manager. And get rid of Purslow, too.

I think your 2nd paragraph probably tells us you're not worth engaging on the point further.

Yes I stopped at Gerwood pretty much.

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I think its utterly disingenuous to be frank. A very limited number wanted Smith out in January and then February 2019. The same latitude that was applied then isn't applied now and the issue for me is the feigned objectivity of these views.

These views have been hard baked in before his appointment.

[Sexual Ealing]

I think its utterly disingenuous to be frank. A very limited number wanted Smith out in January and then February 2019. The same latitude that was applied then isn't applied now and the issue for me is the feigned objectivity of these views.

These views have been hard baked in before his appointment.

I think all this war coverage is overstimulating your imagination.

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I think its utterly disingenuous to be frank. A very limited number wanted Smith out in January and then February 2019. The same latitude that was applied then isn't applied now and the issue for me is the feigned objectivity of these views.

These views have been hard baked in before his appointment.

I think all this war coverage is overstimulating your imagination.

A compelling argument. I must have imagined so many turning so quickly on Smith.

[boozey182]

I think its utterly disingenuous to be frank. A very limited number wanted Smith out in January and then February 2019. The same latitude that was applied then isn't applied now and the issue for me is the feigned objectivity of these views.

These views have been hard baked in before his appointment.

Could it be slightly less sinister than that? Maybe some people had concerns about Gerrard's appointment before it was made official, and maybe they feel that he hasn't convincingly proved those concerns to be misplaced yet?

To compare to Smith (which we probably shouldn't do anymore as I don't think it really helps the debate) I would have said that the fanbase, on the whole, was much more in favour of the appointment and so we were perhaps a little bit more patient with him as they expected him to come good. It's never nice admitting you've got something wrong!

For me, I was against hiring him, and I haven't been particularly impressed so far, but I think he will prove his worth this summer - as long as things don't get much worse on the pitch between now and then. We need to harvest his name for all it is worth, and then see where we are when the World Cup break starts. If we're not in the top half, I'd get rid. (Obviously earlier if we get off to a really bad start).

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I dont think it's sinister and that's not what I'm saying. More a bliegerent dislike of Gerrard and a Livia Soprano attitude to pleasure. These people didn't like him and didn't want him, now they express their desire for him to leave.

[gpbarr]

People need to get over their Smith obsession. He's gone. Probably rightly so.

As for now, we aren't doing well enough, and nothing on Gerrwood's failed managerial CV suggests we will get any better. I was hoping I'd be proven wrong, but, sadly, it remains a pathetic, starstruck appointment based entirely on his name and playing career.

The way to fix the mistake isn't to throw hundreds of millions at it, buying players that his October/November replacement won't necessarily want, it's to get rid of him this summer and bring in an actual manager. And get rid of Purslow, too.

I think your 2nd paragraph probably tells us you're not worth engaging on the point further.

I think his 2nd paragraph reflects the views of many Villa fans right now. Not yours - and that’s ok - but his opinion is as valid as yours because they are both just that - opinions

[cdbearsfan]

I didn't think he was good enough when he was appointed. Nothing he has done has suggested he's good enough since. Why would you expect me to now be begging for him to stay?

I'll be delighted and will happily apologise and extol his virtues if he does well.

One thing though, I don't want a single fan who is now coming out with the clichéd "he needs more time" argument to be moaning about how difficult it is to get a top manager in October/November next season if we are looking for one, when we could easily just get rid of the incumbent in May.

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Not really. This narrow corner of the Internet seldom reflects the wider fan base. There was a swell of agreement for Smith to be sacked in January 2020. 3 minutes into our game against Burnley and the away support was unanimously singing the managers name.

[cdbearsfan]

Here you go, mate. You seem to be lost.

https://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=60477.3550

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What's your point, apart from proving mine?