Gerrard In or Out?

[Drummond]

I'm struggling to understand how 2 clear chances to our 2 strikers, which would have been Aston Villa 4.
Also the Ramsey effort that a lot of keepers wouldn't have saved, would have been Aston Villa 5.
Then the beauty of a free kick from Phil, again that a lot of keepers wouldn't have saved, would have been Aston Villa 6.
Aston Villa 6 Tottenham Hotspur 1, should have been a half time result; then it would be Gerrard genius, Conte who's he?
Instead it's Gerrard's fault that none of the above happened, but Conte was a genius because his forwards actually managed to bury their chances, with Son alone getting 3 shots and 3 goals.

Remind me of the previous three results? In isolation your point may have merit, but we're in a very shit run.

[Hillbilly]

We're onto a hiding to nothing if Gerrard resigns/gets sacked. His mates in the media will spin the narrative that he has a record of success as a player and at Sevco, he did everything he could at Villa but the club's a shambles, the fans have unrealistic expectations etc etc. He'll walk into another high paid job and we'll be left digging around in the bargain bin for a new manager (who will be up and coming or over the hill). And we're back to square one.

[cdbearsfan]

We can very easily shut the media up by appointing someone amazing, and there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to think we would have to shop "in the bargain bin". We are a massive, and rich, club in the league that everyone wants to manage in.

[aj2k77]

We might be ''massive, rich and in a league everyone wants to manage in'' but our last two managerial appointments have been from Brentford and Non League Rangers, hardly inspiring. In fact we haven't made an appointment that made people sit up and notice since O'Neill over 15 years ago when Lerner was bothered. I can't fault the owners commitments but Purslows appointments so far have been underwhelming, director and manager wise. Still seems small time.

[cdbearsfan]

That's why you appoint someone in May when you have your pick of top managers, rather than in the middle of the season like we usually do.

[Hillbilly]

We can very easily shut the media up by appointing someone amazing, and there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to think we would have to shop "in the bargain bin". We are a massive, and rich, club in the league that everyone wants to manage in.

I love your optimism my friend. Are you sure you're a Villa supporter?

[Rory]

We can very easily shut the media up by appointing someone amazing, and there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to think we would have to shop "in the bargain bin". We are a massive, and rich, club in the league that everyone wants to manage in.

I love your optimism my friend. Are you sure you're a Villa supporter?

I'm still Gerrard in (though that is dependent on how we finish the season) but I agree with CD.

Everton got Ancelotti; Tottenham have Conte; Man City - the Nouveau riche, sportswashing billboard with a football team attached - have Guardiola.

We have no reason not to be ambitious.

[Scott Nielsen]

Did anyone think we needed major surgery after our business last summer?

Yes, I voted 13-17 in the pre-season poll. We all despise Grealish so much we are collectively suppressing how incredibly influential he was for us. The ******.

[LeonW]

Did anyone think we needed major surgery after our business last summer?

Yes, I voted 13-17 in the pre-season poll. We all despise Grealish so much we are collectively suppressing how incredibly influential he was for us. The ******.

‘For us,’ definitely, but I think quite often the other side of the coin is missed; just how good Villa were for Joe.

[Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air]

Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_In_The_Air on April 17, 1976, 16:55:26 PM

Knocked out the Cup at the first hurdle and just ONE win in 17 league games !
Football is and has always been about results !
OUT !

[Neil Hawkes]

I'm struggling to understand how 2 clear chances to our 2 strikers, which would have been Aston Villa 4.
Also the Ramsey effort that a lot of keepers wouldn't have saved, would have been Aston Villa 5.
Then the beauty of a free kick from Phil, again that a lot of keepers wouldn't have saved, would have been Aston Villa 6.
Aston Villa 6 Tottenham Hotspur 1, should have been a half time result; then it would be Gerrard genius, Conte who's he?
Instead it's Gerrard's fault that none of the above happened, but Conte was a genius because his forwards actually managed to bury their chances, with Son alone getting 3 shots and 3 goals.

Remind me of the previous three results? In isolation your point may have merit, but we're in a very shit run.

I am referring to the most recent game, as the result was not an accurate reflection of the match I saw. A distinct team improvement on the previous 3, and yet our forwards left their shooting boots at home.
You saw the match, do you think we should not have been comfortably ahead at half time?
If you wish to slate him for previous team performances, then I agree, they where not what we would have expected; to slate him for this game, when the team performance was let down by individual errors, is not the fault of the manager, in my opinion.

[Drummond]

The first half was a good performance that the result somewhat overshadowed. Cumulatively we're not doing very well.

Given the thread title, it's not just about Saturday for me but I get your point.

I think I've said before, when trying to argue Smith, or various other managers 'in' that any team can get stuffed, we did it to Liverpool last season. However, right now we're looking like we are shot. I'm sure we won't go down, but 15th doesn't look impossible on current form.

I'd say one of the arguments in favour of Gerrard, is what has happened with Arteta at Arsenal. Disjointed and lacklustre at first and then really coming in to form. He had no experience as a mangmager either.

[sid1964]

It will not be up to Purslow if Gerrard gets the sack, Purslow will be told by the owners to get rid of him

Gerrard needs to get a few results between now and the end of the season, to ensure that the owners will trust him to spend their money on new players in the summer.

I worry that Gerrard will spend the money on 29 year + old players who will have no sell on value and we ill be in the same mess as we were when O'Neill walked out on us.

[paul_e]

It's in from me still.

The first goal was a piss poor header from Konsa, the more times I see it the worse it looks, however a proper DM would've been tracking with Kane and might have stoppe him getting the shot away. Luiz just doesn't have that instinct was was jogging a few yards behind Kane as the header was made.

2nd goal Konsa was brushed off too easily by Kane and then once Kulusevski is in the box none of our defenders were willing to go near him because we've been stung by soft penalties too many times. Again though a proper DM gets in front of Kane.

3rd goal is Konsa following Kane into the space where a DM should be and leaving far too much space for Son to run into.

4th looked like we'd given up by that point but we left far too much space at the edge of the box that one of the midfielders should've been occupying, again Luiz was just jogging back without a care in the world.

I think we were pretty clearly looking for a DM in January but, for whatever reason, we never managed to get one in and that has cost us massively. I'm happy for Gerrard to have another window to fix that problem but in the meantime i hope he follows through on the tough talk and drops Konsa and Luiz who played like they were already on the beach. They were definitely the biggest problem for me

[Risso]

Luiz jogging back, I refuse to believe it!