Gerrard In or Out?

[markeeeebeeee2005]

He has managed to make a group of players who have done well at other stages of their career both at Villa, other clubs and internationally look less than the sum of their parts.

Sans Grealish, when have this set of players suggested that what we are seeing now is less than the sum of their parts?

You haven’t seen these players including Digne and Coutinho play better than the last five games in their careers?

Forget about Grealish. These players have all done it at various different levels including at Villa, other clubs, European competition and internationally.

Name any player in the team that you think is playing anywhere near their potential or ability level?

One or a few players not doing it and it’s the players. If they’re all not playing to their potential, well...

[Risso]

Coutinho in the first half especially was brilliant yesterday. Some of his movement and passing was pure filth. Surrounding him with Watkins and McGinn is like putting Simon Rattle in charge of an U10s youth orchestra though.

[Risso]

Name any player in the team that you think is playing anywhere near their potential or ability level?

McGinn, Watkins, Luiz.

[Bent Neilsens Screamer]

I thought the whole reason we had the DOF set up behind the seens was so that we decide on what kind of club we want to be and recruit players and staff around that basis. The fact it now looks like we have signed a lot of players with no real thought process behind it and then appointed a manager that needs a massive squad reset is a major fuck up by Pursow and Lange.

Edit. Probably would be more appropriate in the Lange thread.

This is where I am as well. We will spend money but fear a perpetual circle of shite when it doesn’t work out, we’ll appoint someone else and do the same again. Get better coaches in and work and organise the team, we had about 8 internationals in the starting line up yesterday, they’re not dunces.
Get better recruitment, we might get Biissouma in for £50m but Brighton will replace him with a player for less than half who will be just as good.

[markeeeebeeee2005]

Name any player in the team that you think is playing anywhere near their potential or ability level?

McGinn, Watkins, Luiz.

So you haven’t seen McGinn or Watkins play better than their recent form?

Luiz has never really got going at Villa and he needs shifting. I don’t watch Brazil, so no idea how he gets in one of the top international teams.

[Scott Nielsen]

The best the most of these players have achieved in the premier league is 11th. That was with Grealish. So I'd say they are about par for the course. Not less than the sum of their parts. We will do better in some matches, worse in others.

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Grealish was insanely good. The bugger.

[markeeeebeeee2005]

Coutinho in the first half especially was brilliant yesterday. Some of his movement and passing was pure filth. Surrounding him with Watkins and McGinn is like putting Simon Rattle in charge of an U10s youth orchestra though.

Ha ha. This is good.

[N'ZMAV]

Name any player in the team that you think is playing anywhere near their potential or ability level?

McGinn, Watkins, Luiz.

worryingly so.

[cdbearsfan]

What nonsense.

[markeeeebeeee2005]

The best the most of these players have achieved in the premier league is 11th. That was with Grealish. So I'd say they are about par for the course. Not less than the sum of their parts. We will do better in some matches, worse in others.

Ok. I think he should be getting more out of the players and I think they have the ability to do it. They’ve shown this ability at stages but not consistently. I think a decent and experienced manager would get a tune out of this lot and build from there, but it’s only what I think and neither of us could know for sure. Gerrard isn’t getting a tune out of them and his current run is on a par with what got Smith the boot (which I agreed with).

I don’t know what I’d do if I owned Villa. But I’d be fairly unimpressed at the start he’s made.

[Clark W Griswold]

I was only thinking / saying to my son yesterday watching the match that we have some very good players but we just rarely look like a cohesive unit / team. Some part of the team fucks up most matches, sometimes all of it and pretty much always the midfield. Yesterday the two strikers were miss firing and the two centre backs looked clumsy.
I’m definitely not in the bin him now camp but it does concern me. McGinn and Watkins are definitely better players than they’re showing at the moment. Luiz isn’t.
For that matter the 2 centre backs and Ings are better than they’re showing as well. That said, even with all that lot at their best we need some extra quality to ‘take us to the next level’ but I’m wondering as I have most of the time he’s been here whether the manager is the level we need too, and that’s based on there being no evidence from his career so far to suggest that he is. Someone with a proven track record would fill me with more confidence that he’s the man to turn this shit around.

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The last time we were good in this league we had a midfield with Barry and Petrov and then Milner looking like our current manager. The difference in quality, passing, knowhow, ability etc etc, any metric you can think of, is absolutely night and day compared to McGinn and Luiz. They're not top half players and they play like it.

[Scott Nielsen]

I concede you might be right there, Mark. I don't know how it will pan out but I'm still putting my hope in Gerrard though it's on faith rather than evidence.

I have believed for many years that we must develop a different mentality where average is not good enough. For that to happen, I fear we have to break what we have. It's a gamble.

[Villan82]

McGinn is the latest scapegoat. Not played in his proper position for about two years. Ran the show in the cup game against Man United. A player who you would struggle to replace for less than £40m. I just think this season has been a car crash. Players have let us down and both managers haven't impressed with their ability to manage their resources and mold a cohesive team out of the players at our disposal.

Gerrard needs a transfer window and about 10 games next season but I have to say the results aren't good enough. Meek losses to Newcastle and Watford and now this four game losing streak. Should have 4-5 points more on the board than we do.