Season Tickets - 2022/23

[Clark W Griswold]

That's just it though, you don't sound very reasonable in fact sound rather unreasonable with pretty much everything you post. The first line of your 'reasonable' post above sounds a bit David Ike for example. It looks like a wind up to most people to be honest.

[saunders_heroes]

I take it the Villa won’t be releasing the minutes today of the fan q&a from last week then??

[Flin5tone]

What is unreasonable about questioning a 22,000 waiting list where no cash is handed over. Prior to promotion we struggled to shift tickets even for the biggest games. Where's 22,000 suddenly appeared from

[Clampy]

What is unreasonable about questioning a 22,000 waiting list where no cash is handed over. Prior to promotion we struggled to shift tickets even for the biggest games. Where's 22,000 suddenly appeared from

Why does it matter? This is why people have a go at you. It's the same tedious posts OVER AND OVER again.

[Flin5tone]

Because it's a debate about Season Ticket prices which for many WILL matter. They're ramping up prices on the back of a made up waiting list

[Smithy]

What is unreasonable about questioning a 22,000 waiting list where no cash is handed over. Prior to promotion we struggled to shift tickets even for the biggest games. Where's 22,000 suddenly appeared from

It hasn't "suddenly appeared".  It's always been there. Do some of them lose interest when things are going badly on the pitch? Absolutely.  But they don't "disappear".  And right now, regardless of how the last 4 games have gone, things in the world of Aston Villa are about as good as they've been in a very long time.   Birmingham is a city of a million people, with another couple of million in very easy commuting distance from Villa Park, and yet you find it unbelievable the club has found 22k fans willing to joining a waiting list for a season ticket to watch premier league football, and a developing team now backed by a couple of the richest owners in sports and who've demonstrated their willingness to spend it?

Frankly, I'd be surprised if we DIDN'T have a significant waiting list for season tickets.

[Smithy]

Because it's a debate about Season Ticket prices which for many WILL matter. They're ramping up prices on the back of a made up waiting list

If you genuinely think it's made up, then simply call their bluff - don't renew, and buy one when they inevitably come back on sale at a reduced price when the fictional 22k has failed to materialise.  You'll not only be proven right, publicly, you'll also be quids in.  It's win-win for you.

[Flin5tone]

Why didn't the two fixtures in December sell out then? If there's 22,000 desperate for a slice of the action. Surely once tickets become available they'd snap them up with delight....
It's a made up list with about 30-50% who have genuine interest.

I can't see how anyone can find pricing out the regular loyal fans as progress. We're a few points off the lower end of the table.

Let's see how you all react in a few weeks when we're hovering above the relegation zone . Let's see if Mr Purslow is so smug about the waiting list then.

We've regressed not progressed this season

[Clampy]

Why didn't the two fixtures in December sell out then? If there's 22,000 desperate for a slice of the action. Surely once tickets become available they'd snap them up with delight....
It's a made up list with about 30-50% who have genuine interest.

I can't see how anyone can find pricing out the regular loyal fans as progress. We're a few points off the lower end of the table.

Let's see how you all react in a few weeks when we're hovering above the relegation zone . Let's see if Mr Purslow is so smug about the waiting list then.

We've regressed not progressed this season

You are basing this on two fixtures that didn't sell out?

[Clampy]

Because it's a debate about Season Ticket prices which for many WILL matter. They're ramping up prices on the back of a made up waiting list

If you genuinely think it's made up, then simply call their bluff - don't renew, and buy one when they inevitably come back on sale at a reduced price when the fictional 22k has failed to materialise.  You'll not only be proven right, publicly, you'll also be quids in.  It's win-win for you.

This. Why don't you try it? That's if you have a season ticket that is, you may not.

[Smithy]

Why didn't the two fixtures in December sell out then? If there's 22,000 desperate for a slice of the action. Surely once tickets become available they'd snap them up with delight....
It's a made up list with about 30-50% who have genuine interest.

I can't see how anyone can find pricing out the regular loyal fans as progress. We're a few points off the lower end of the table.

Let's see how you all react in a few weeks when we're hovering above the relegation zone . Let's see if Mr Purslow is so smug about the waiting list then.

We've regressed not progressed this season

You mean the two games right before Christmas, four days apart, and that were about 500 shy of capacity?  Yes, that's definitely a good reason to doubt the existence of a waiting list...

We are a hair's breadth over 42k if every seat is sold (including the away supporters), and every home match this season has been over 41k.  If you genuinely believe the waiting list isn't real, then I've shown you precisely how you can be proven right in front of all your peers AND save a few quid along the way.  Why would you not rejoice in the face of such an opportunity?

[Flin5tone]

I'm awaiting confirmation of the increase before I make a decision on renewal. Hopefully the club are aware of the outrage regarding the removal of zone 5 and 6 which is targeting those probably less well off. Even though I'm not in those zones I will decide against renewal if they are removed.

[Clampy]

I'm awaiting confirmation of the increase before I make a decision on renewal. Hopefully the club are aware of the outrage regarding the removal of zone 5 and 6 which is targeting those probably less well off. Even though I'm not in those zones I will decide against renewal if they are removed.

No. It doesn't matter about any increase. If you think the waiting list isn't real, then just give it up and see if you get it back. It really is as simple as THAT.

[Smithy]

Why didn't the two fixtures in December sell out then? If there's 22,000 desperate for a slice of the action. Surely once tickets become available they'd snap them up with delight....
It's a made up list with about 30-50% who have genuine interest.

I can't see how anyone can find pricing out the regular loyal fans as progress. We're a few points off the lower end of the table.

Let's see how you all react in a few weeks when we're hovering above the relegation zone . Let's see if Mr Purslow is so smug about the waiting list then.

We've regressed not progressed this season

I don't like using facts and figures to change people's minds, because they're not very persuasive - but they will help to highlight the logical fallacy in your position regarding the waiting list.

This season we are ranked 4th in terms of sold tickets to ground capacity.  Our average attendance is 98.1% of capacity.  Only Norwich, Arsenal and Leicester have a higher percentage than that.  Leicester are highest, at 99.1% 

No one fills the ground every single game.  No one.

No. One.  It is not a thing that happens.

Manchester United claim a season ticket waiting list of 100,000 people (or did a couple of years ago), and yet they average only 97.5% capacity.

Arsenal have a waiting list in excess of 40,000, and their attendances are 98.2%, basically the same as ours.

It's almost as if the very fact of having a season ticket waiting list doesn't automatically mean you will fill the ground to capacity for every single match.

Funny that.

As for those Christmas fixtures that fell just short of capacity, I can't speak for anyone else, but I know that personally, I chose not to do ANYTHING in December so I could guarantee Christmas with the family I'd not seen in a long time.  That meant in the few weeks before Christmas, no pubs, no socialising, no Christmas party, and no football.  I can't speak for others, obviously, but it's just one explanation of why we might have been a couple of hundred short of 42k.

[Nunkin1965]

I'm awaiting confirmation of the increase before I make a decision on renewal. Hopefully the club are aware of the outrage regarding the removal of zone 5 and 6 which is targeting those probably less well off. Even though I'm not in those zones I will decide against renewal if they are removed.

No. It doesn't matter about any increase. If you think the waiting list isn't real, then just give it up and see if you get it back. It really is as simple as THAT.

Far from me to use a turn of phrase that matches my job description but the term "Painting yourself into a corner" comes to mind.