Post by: andyh on April 05, 2022, 07:06:38 AM
There are Twitter rumours (Ty Bracey) of a ‘significant’ increase in pricing (30%?)
Post by: Dave P on April 05, 2022, 07:08:25 AM
Post by: j66acd on April 05, 2022, 07:30:21 AM
A few years ago Liverpool protested against the £77 ticket price by leaving on the 77th minutes and their owners back tracked. Now with us being live on Sky on Saturday, a similar protest would make the owners take note.
Post by: Charlie8182 on April 05, 2022, 07:44:41 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on April 05, 2022, 07:58:49 AM
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 05, 2022, 08:05:20 AM
Post by: Dave P on April 05, 2022, 08:58:39 AM
It's a Twitter rumour.
But then you have to apply the formula of twitter rumour which is good news = doesn't happen, twitter rumour which is bad news = always happens.
Post by: Clampy on April 05, 2022, 09:07:41 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on April 05, 2022, 10:34:21 AM
Post by: Gareth on April 05, 2022, 01:04:32 PM
On a serious note if there is a significant increase i will after 30 years probably give it up mainly due to that ballache of getting to and from that we all know will not improve, there will be lip service to get planning through but nothing will getter better.
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on April 05, 2022, 01:31:13 PM
If they actually empolyed enough staff to serve beer and food on matchdays (and maybe served pies that hadn't been transformed to concrete by over heating) they'd be able to significantly increase match day revenue without having to ask fans to dig too much deeper into their pockets on ticket prices.Catering service is terrible, isn't it? So slow! I've forgone my half-time cuppa more times this season than I care to mention because of the ridiculous delays.
30% increase would be a joke!
Post by: Skerra on April 05, 2022, 05:16:18 PM
If ticket prices are to be increased by that sort of amount, I doubt I will be renewing either. It’s not as if we are going to be challenging for anything anytime soon!!
Post by: Ad@m on April 05, 2022, 05:42:06 PM
As painful as it'll be, while we have thousands on a waiting list and other clubs charge much more, there will always be the temptation and rationale for the club to increase prices.
PS Wolves' cheapest season ticket is £549?! WTAF!
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on April 05, 2022, 08:07:24 PM
Post by: BlackCountryVilla on April 05, 2022, 08:15:08 PM
If you don't renew someone will take your place. It is as simple as that.
I have had mine for over 30 years. Can't say I fancy finding an extra £100.
Too many kick off times moved, travel away from ground a nightmare, no chance of any away tickets...
That said I still love it !!!
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 05, 2022, 10:22:57 PM
Post by: eamonn on April 06, 2022, 12:15:23 AM
Post by: sid1964 on April 06, 2022, 06:25:28 AM
I could not justify spending that type of money to my Wife.
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 06, 2022, 07:51:56 AM
a 30% increase would be too much for me, and reluctantly I would have to give up my season ticket.Hopefully its just twitter gossip. But if it was true with my kids getting older and one of them moving into a higher pay category, with everything else going on, fuel rises etc, it would certainly stretch me and there would be a decision to be made, which i dont like the prospect of.
I could not justify spending that type of money to my Wife.
Post by: PeterWithe on April 06, 2022, 07:53:03 AM
I could not justify spending that type of money to my Wife.
Same here, so I wont tell her.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 06, 2022, 08:29:22 AM
It’s just a TWITTER rumour not a club announcement.
Oh I know, we need the money to sign Pogba.
Post by: LeeB on April 06, 2022, 10:28:47 AM
I could not justify spending that type of money to my Wife.
Same here, so I wont tell her.
It's certainly a discussion to be had post purchase.
Post by: Drummond on April 06, 2022, 10:40:24 AM
I could not justify spending that type of money to my Wife.
Same here, so I wont tell her.
It's certainly a discussion to be had post purchase.
'Bloody hell love, you'll never guess how much the Villa charged me.'
Post by: Risso on April 06, 2022, 10:43:12 AM
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 06, 2022, 10:48:51 AM
I think there's a meeting today between supporter groups and Purslow so would think this would be a topic for discussion there.
I bet you there isn't.
Post by: PGW on April 06, 2022, 10:54:32 AM
It's tomorrow isn't it!!I think there's a meeting today between supporter groups and Purslow so would think this would be a topic for discussion there.
I bet you there isn't.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 06, 2022, 10:57:07 AM
with. We always pondered whether we needed season tickets as you could pick and choose most games , but it is phenomenal
now
Post by: Risso on April 06, 2022, 11:12:06 AM
I think there's a meeting today between supporter groups and Purslow so would think this would be a topic for discussion there.
I bet you there isn't.
Sorry, tomorrow.
Post by: Border villan on April 06, 2022, 12:12:12 PM
None of us want to pay any increase for a season ticket but we must realise that the Villa charge an extremely low amount for the Premiership.
Post by: Risso on April 06, 2022, 12:14:09 PM
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on April 06, 2022, 12:18:45 PM
None of us want to pay any increase for a season ticket but we must realise that the Villa charge an extremely low amount for the Premiership.
That’s because Villa has a reputation for doing right by our fans. And the club should do everything to uphold that reputation. It’s not a race to the bottom - other clubs should be looking at our model, not the other way round.
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 06, 2022, 12:34:36 PM
I know the catering is crap but that has little or nothing to do with going to watch on a regular basis.Had one in the upper holte which I was going to renew, but he wouldn't give me the discount because I missed it by a day, was still going to renew but it was s different seat so I got angry and told him to forget about and ask him for the cheapest one he's got, got one in lower holte for about 315 pounds nearly half price for upper holte, haven't regretted it since, at that price I don't mind paying a increase
None of us want to pay any increase for a season ticket but we must realise that the Villa charge an extremely low amount for the Premiership.
Post by: chrisw1 on April 06, 2022, 12:35:38 PM
I know the catering is crap but that has little or nothing to do with going to watch on a regular basis.
None of us want to pay any increase for a season ticket but we must realise that the Villa charge an extremely low amount for the Premiership.
The point about the catering is they could massively increase their match day income by being more eficient, without having to ask fans to dig too much deeper on ticket prices.
Post by: Three Spires Villa on April 06, 2022, 12:47:16 PM
How do Bayern Munich manage to charge so little for their season tickets and be a very good team, so that should be the question we are asking, not well the others charge more so be thankful.
Post by: Drummond on April 06, 2022, 01:43:24 PM
I guess bringing in Coutinho and the resultant comments like 'worth the ticket price on his own' helps them justify it.
It's business, not charity, and we're the ones who pay; in myriad different ways.
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 06, 2022, 01:45:32 PM
Given the limited amount of alcoholic drinks and the high propensity of people who that drink, i can never understand why they don’t pour loads of pints of the best selling beer, at least in the build up to half time. The idea of pour each individual drink for each individual order is both bad customer service in that packed environment with limited time and just cant make economic sense.I know the catering is crap but that has little or nothing to do with going to watch on a regular basis.
None of us want to pay any increase for a season ticket but we must realise that the Villa charge an extremely low amount for the Premiership.
The point about the catering is they could massively increase their match day income by being more eficient, without having to ask fans to dig too much deeper on ticket prices.
Dont blame the kids behind the bar and does my head in when largely middle aged men start having a go at them. Just mad lack of organisation.
Post by: Three Spires Villa on April 06, 2022, 01:48:40 PM
Worth a read 2021 I think
Post by: Ad@m on April 06, 2022, 02:14:21 PM
None of us want to pay any increase for a season ticket but we must realise that the Villa charge an extremely low amount for the Premiership.
That’s because Villa has a reputation for doing right by our fans. And the club should do everything to uphold that reputation. It’s not a race to the bottom - other clubs should be looking at our model, not the other way round.
Unfortunately the rules of the game work against that. FFP is a profit-based measure, so the more revenue you can take, from all sources, the bigger your budget. The bigger your budget, the better your players.
Whether we like it or not, revenue is more important to performance than how rich your owners are or anything else. So we can take the principled approach, but it's not going to help us be successful, and I'm not sure the owners are in it to not win things.
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on April 06, 2022, 02:26:57 PM
Post by: Ads on April 06, 2022, 02:35:05 PM
Fair enough. If we increased all ticket prices by 30% ( I realise it’s just a figure being thrown around on Twitter) how much would our revenue increase?
Approximately £7m?
Post by: Three Spires Villa on April 06, 2022, 02:36:15 PM
Post by: Three Spires Villa on April 06, 2022, 02:37:28 PM
Fair enough. If we increased all ticket prices by 30% ( I realise it’s just a figure being thrown around on Twitter) how much would our revenue increase?
Approximately £7m?
Ok thanks, and for that we can get…….answers on a post card as they used to say.
Post by: joe_c on April 06, 2022, 02:43:33 PM
I think we all accept we need younger fans and Dads taking sons and daughters (and Moms sorry) if it keep getting more expensive than family's may not be able to attend. At some point there will be a tipping point. I (kind off) get the entertainment argument, and going to Villa is cheaper than the best seats at a west end play, around the same as going to a gig, for example Drop Kick Murphy's £40, or a nice meal with a bottle of wine, but you don't go to west end every week or a posh meal every week, going to the match is a weekly thing. If prices of materials are going up, put your pie and pints up, shirts and merchandise etc. Just because other clubs charge more is not a reason for Villa to charge the same. I don't really see why the match going fan should stump up even more, Sky stick your price up for the arm chair fan then!, sorry to any fans who cant get to games. I go home and away nearly every week, with my son in the second criteria for away tickets, and football is a bloody expensive hobby, yes I could change hobby, its my choice etc, etc.
How do Bayern Munich manage to charge so little for their season tickets and be a very good team, so that should be the question we are asking, not well the others charge more so be thankful.
I'd add to this that if you go out for a gig play or meal, it's exceedingly rare they are terrible which is an all too frequent occupational hazard when watching the Villa.
Post by: Three Spires Villa on April 06, 2022, 02:46:49 PM
I think we all accept we need younger fans and Dads taking sons and daughters (and Moms sorry) if it keep getting more expensive than family's may not be able to attend. At some point there will be a tipping point. I (kind off) get the entertainment argument, and going to Villa is cheaper than the best seats at a west end play, around the same as going to a gig, for example Drop Kick Murphy's £40, or a nice meal with a bottle of wine, but you don't go to west end every week or a posh meal every week, going to the match is a weekly thing. If prices of materials are going up, put your pie and pints up, shirts and merchandise etc. Just because other clubs charge more is not a reason for Villa to charge the same. I don't really see why the match going fan should stump up even more, Sky stick your price up for the arm chair fan then!, sorry to any fans who cant get to games. I go home and away nearly every week, with my son in the second criteria for away tickets, and football is a bloody expensive hobby, yes I could change hobby, its my choice etc, etc.
How do Bayern Munich manage to charge so little for their season tickets and be a very good team, so that should be the question we are asking, not well the others charge more so be thankful.
I'd add to this that if you go out for a gig play or meal, it's exceedingly rare they are terrible which is an all too frequent occupational hazard when watching the Villa.
😆😆 yes I know what you mean!
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 06, 2022, 04:46:20 PM
they used to pour the drinks like that in the upper holte, one give you the drinks, the other people took the moneyGiven the limited amount of alcoholic drinks and the high propensity of people who that drink, i can never understand why they don’t pour loads of pints of the best selling beer, at least in the build up to half time. The idea of pour each individual drink for each individual order is both bad customer service in that packed environment with limited time and just cant make economic sense.I know the catering is crap but that has little or nothing to do with going to watch on a regular basis.
None of us want to pay any increase for a season ticket but we must realise that the Villa charge an extremely low amount for the Premiership.
The point about the catering is they could massively increase their match day income by being more eficient, without having to ask fans to dig too much deeper on ticket prices.
Dont blame the kids behind the bar and does my head in when largely middle aged men start having a go at them. Just mad lack of organisation.
Post by: artvandelay on April 06, 2022, 05:41:17 PM
https://www.essentiallysports.com/soccer-news-football-news-fans-are-not-like-cows-bayern-munich-president-slams-england-for-high-ticket-prices/amp/Apologies, but this gets brought up with ticket prices every single time, and there's a few things to unpick.
Worth a read 2021 I think
The first is that there is no reputable source that you can get that quote from.
The second is that Uli Hoeness is a convicted criminal who has spent time in prison since that was attributed to him.
The third is that it's nonsense, you can see the per game pricing (same for season tickets) here; https://tickets.fcbayern.com/documents/en/preisliste.pdf you'll note that it's pretty high, with the exception of the standing section. That standing section is held by people who resell for every single game at much over the 15 euro sticker price, as a result that the waiting list is so long that the club don't let you join it.
Post by: Three Spires Villa on April 06, 2022, 06:11:49 PM
https://www.essentiallysports.com/soccer-news-football-news-fans-are-not-like-cows-bayern-munich-president-slams-england-for-high-ticket-prices/amp/Apologies, but this gets brought up with ticket prices every single time, and there's a few things to unpick.
Worth a read 2021 I think
The first is that there is no reputable source that you can get that quote from.
The second is that Uli Hoeness is a convicted criminal who has spent time in prison since that was attributed to him.
The third is that it's nonsense, you can see the per game pricing (same for season tickets) here; https://tickets.fcbayern.com/documents/en/preisliste.pdf you'll note that it's pretty high, with the exception of the standing section. That standing section is held by people who resell for every single game at much over the 15 euro sticker price, as a result that the waiting list is so long that the club don't let you join it.
Thank you for your comments
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 06, 2022, 08:37:23 PM
I think we all accept we need younger fans and Dads taking sons and daughters (and Moms sorry) if it keep getting more expensive than family's may not be able to attend. At some point there will be a tipping point. I (kind off) get the entertainment argument, and going to Villa is cheaper than the best seats at a west end play, around the same as going to a gig, for example Drop Kick Murphy's £40, or a nice meal with a bottle of wine, but you don't go to west end every week or a posh meal every week, going to the match is a weekly thing. If prices of materials are going up, put your pie and pints up, shirts and merchandise etc. Just because other clubs charge more is not a reason for Villa to charge the same. I don't really see why the match going fan should stump up even more, Sky stick your price up for the arm chair fan then!, sorry to any fans who cant get to games. I go home and away nearly every week, with my son in the second criteria for away tickets, and football is a bloody expensive hobby, yes I could change hobby, its my choice etc, etc.
How do Bayern Munich manage to charge so little for their season tickets and be a very good team, so that should be the question we are asking, not well the others charge more so be thankful.
I'd add to this that if you go out for a gig play or meal, it's exceedingly rare they are terrible which is an all too frequent occupational hazard when watching the Villa.
Equally there are those moments of unbridled joy which only football gives you. Fleeting I know but when they come there’s nothing that compares.
Post by: Three Spires Villa on April 06, 2022, 09:48:33 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on April 06, 2022, 10:20:20 PM
Post by: Legion on April 06, 2022, 10:47:36 PM
It's a Twitter rumour.
This.
Post by: Max Villan on April 06, 2022, 11:05:12 PM
Mental how stressful it can be trying to support your team these days!
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 06, 2022, 11:17:50 PM
Will there be a meeting with Christian Purslow? The 30% increase is worrying, as they were also so strict with lending criteria over 9 months last season meaning I had to pay £600 as a one off. If it goes up... I would pay it, but would only be able to if it's allowed to be spread over a few months, which isn't possible to everyone, with their credit criteria. Just wondering if there's anywhere this can be raised...
Mental how stressful it can be trying to support your team these days!
There's an SCG meeting. There's also a four page thread based on somebody hearing something on Twitter.
Post by: Max Villan on April 06, 2022, 11:22:24 PM
Will there be a meeting with Christian Purslow? The 30% increase is worrying, as they were also so strict with lending criteria over 9 months last season meaning I had to pay £600 as a one off. If it goes up... I would pay it, but would only be able to if it's allowed to be spread over a few months, which isn't possible to everyone, with their credit criteria. Just wondering if there's anywhere this can be raised...
Mental how stressful it can be trying to support your team these days!
There's an SCG meeting. There's also a four page thread based on somebody hearing something on Twitter.
Yes, I understand that. My wider point really, is if there's anywhere we can raise the possibility of spreading the cost becoming more accessible. Even over 2 or 3 months as opposed to 9.
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 07, 2022, 12:04:36 AM
Will there be a meeting with Christian Purslow? The 30% increase is worrying, as they were also so strict with lending criteria over 9 months last season meaning I had to pay £600 as a one off. If it goes up... I would pay it, but would only be able to if it's allowed to be spread over a few months, which isn't possible to everyone, with their credit criteria. Just wondering if there's anywhere this can be raised...
Mental how stressful it can be trying to support your team these days!
There's an SCG meeting. There's also a four page thread based on somebody hearing something on Twitter.
Yes, I understand that. My wider point really, is if there's anywhere we can raise the possibility of spreading the cost becoming more accessible. Even over 2 or 3 months as opposed to 9.
We can only ask.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 07, 2022, 02:46:39 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on April 07, 2022, 02:56:56 PM
If such a thing was possible, I'd like a 12 month direct debit with automatic renewal unless you opt out.Yep, that would be perfect. And I'd be happy with it starting in May so they essentially get 3 months up front.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 07, 2022, 03:01:22 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 07, 2022, 04:25:23 PM
If such a thing was possible, I'd like a 12 month direct debit with automatic renewal unless you opt out.normally I pay up front, but with energy and fuel prices rocketing, probably opt for a new credit card and just use it for the purpose of paying it off over 12 months interest free
Post by: chrisw1 on April 07, 2022, 04:46:24 PM
Post by: sid1964 on April 08, 2022, 07:05:56 AM
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 08, 2022, 07:20:49 AM
Read elsewhere that there is going to be an announcement today on the season tickets cost
A brief one. More details next week.
Post by: Border villan on April 08, 2022, 01:30:52 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 08, 2022, 01:32:13 PM
Any feedback on last nights meeting with Purslow?
Minutes will be released on Monday. Brief statement at 2 today.
Post by: Border villan on April 08, 2022, 01:42:37 PM
Any feedback on last nights meeting with Purslow?
Minutes will be released on Monday. Brief statement at 2 today.
Cheers Dave
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on April 08, 2022, 03:36:00 PM
where's the 2pm statement?
can anyone point me to it please?
thanks
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 08, 2022, 03:44:50 PM
You can read whatever you like into the word 'simplification'.
Post by: PeterWithe on April 08, 2022, 03:48:20 PM
Although its pretty widespread to plant stories of a 30% increase and then when you announce a 10-15% increase, it looks more reasonable than it might otherwise have done.
I told ya.
Post by: chrisw1 on April 08, 2022, 03:49:19 PM
Post by: spangley1812 on April 08, 2022, 03:58:11 PM
Sounds like if you're in an area of the ground where the Zone goes up a tier (lower North, Middlle of Lower Holte) and have concession tickets then it's going to get a bit punchy.
I see rumours of a £100 increase in those areas
Post by: Drummond on April 08, 2022, 04:03:56 PM
Simplification is a good idea as long as it doesn't mean shafting those who have less ability to pay.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 08, 2022, 04:34:36 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on April 08, 2022, 04:52:28 PM
Although we have a good representation of overseas fans who come for the odd game, we're not yet a tourist destination.
I know we have a waiting list for STs, but if current ST holders decide they can't afford to renew at current prices let alone if there is an increase - whatever that might be - will those in the queue be sufficiently well off to be able to make up the difference? One would hope so.
There's been plenty of press reports already of people having to choose between "heat or eat"; I wonder if the next quandary for some will be: heat, eat or seat?
Post by: Skerra on April 08, 2022, 05:20:12 PM
Post by: wittonwarrior on April 08, 2022, 05:24:46 PM
Post by: usav on April 08, 2022, 05:54:14 PM
People in the cheapest seats hardest hit 10% plus no tier 5. My ticket goes up over £100
Or £5 per game.
Post by: exigo on April 08, 2022, 06:50:36 PM
The club presented the FCG with the results of a detailed, strategic review of Aston Villa’s pricing from the last ten years and benchmarked against a wide range of Premier League clubs. The conclusion is likely to result in heading towards some simplification of concession rates and the zoning system with an additional increase of 10 per cent across the stadium.
You can read whatever you like into the word 'simplification'.
Avanti have 'simplified' their ticketing structure so it now costs me £62 if I want an open return to Villa Park from London, rather than £38. The absolute rob dogs.
Post by: algy on April 09, 2022, 04:38:47 PM
I am staggered where this demand for tickets has come from. I was talking to a mate who I had a season ticket with in the 90sYeah, I'm similar. Had a season ticket for most of the 90s but it was hard to justify at times, since there was always 1 or 2 games a season I couldn't make for whatever reason. The worsening Sky schedules finished it off for me, really struggled to make it viable. Since then just gone for normal tickets, which for a long while was fine as I'd go to 10-ish home games plus a few aways so could get tickets for pretty much any match I could make anyway. Having kids trashed my history though.
with. We always pondered whether we needed season tickets as you could pick and choose most games , but it is phenomenal
now
Anyway, for me it depends in the concession price. It's been fine this season as there's only me paying full price out of me, my dad, and the kids. What the cost is for them will be make or break next season.
Post by: eamonn on April 09, 2022, 06:55:43 PM
I am staggered where this demand for tickets has come from. I was talking to a mate who I had a season ticket with in the 90sYeah, I'm similar. Had a season ticket for most of the 90s but it was hard to justify at times, since there was always 1 or 2 games a season I couldn't make for whatever reason. The worsening Sky schedules finished it off for me, really struggled to make it viable. Since then just gone for normal tickets, which for a long while was fine as I'd go to 10-ish home games plus a few aways so could get tickets for pretty much any match I could make anyway. Having kids trashed my history though.
with. We always pondered whether we needed season tickets as you could pick and choose most games , but it is phenomenal
now
...and your future ;)
Post by: eamonn on April 09, 2022, 06:59:17 PM
Post by: Three Spires Villa on April 09, 2022, 10:22:53 PM
Post by: Ads on April 09, 2022, 11:06:50 PM
Results and value for money never come into it.
Post by: nigel on April 10, 2022, 12:44:16 PM
Someone mentioned today that it’s a planned 10% increase, but there’s talk of getting rid of zones 5&6 (cheapest seats) and making them all zone 4.
So if, like me, you’re in zone 5 or 6 you’ll have a bigger than 10% increase.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 10, 2022, 03:14:22 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 10, 2022, 04:55:54 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 10, 2022, 04:57:08 PM
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on April 10, 2022, 05:00:57 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 10, 2022, 05:36:56 PM
A wankers ¾ season ticket needs to happenthere would sell out and you would have a waiting list for a few years,I definitely won't be getting one
Post by: wittonwarrior on April 10, 2022, 05:40:58 PM
I paid £483, just checked. What tier is that, please?Tier 4 - depending where you sit (e.g. middle of the Holte increases to T3)
Apparently apart from the abolition of T5 the other people who will be most affected as concessions
Post by: Flin5tone on April 10, 2022, 10:00:38 PM
Alienate the loyal fans with ridiculous price increases and you'll regret it.
The fan base at Villa can quickly turn.
If true and Zone 5/6 is being removed ,that's directly targeting families and those who have bought the 'cheap seats' probably due to finances. Driving out those on lower incomes for 'fans' on a mystery waiting list
Disgrace
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 10, 2022, 10:02:11 PM
Post by: Ads on April 10, 2022, 10:54:24 PM
Post by: AV82EC on April 10, 2022, 11:01:52 PM
We have the 4th highest occupancy in the league.
Must admit when I saw the attendance yesterday was how close I was on Guess the Crowd, anything to take my mind off the unfolding drama of our capitulation.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 10, 2022, 11:34:29 PM
Haven't had a season ticket for years and only make 4-5 live games a season these days for many reasons but presume matchday prices will reflect the rises and there won't be any sub 30 quid tickets left in any part of the stadium such as for Norwich which will have 25 quid tickets in many parts of the ground.
Post by: Dave P on April 11, 2022, 11:20:47 AM
Good Luck to the Football Club with the 'waiting list' when people have to actually part with cash .
Alienate the loyal fans with ridiculous price increases and you'll regret it.
The fan base at Villa can quickly turn.
If true and Zone 5/6 is being removed ,that's directly targeting families and those who have bought the 'cheap seats' probably due to finances. Driving out those on lower incomes for 'fans' on a mystery waiting list
Disgrace
I agree that a big price hike is bad. However, the waiting list is very real. I suspect the only time we'll drop below 41K this season will be Burnley at home as they may not bring that many midweek and even then, we may be able to sell extra to Villa fans if we are clever.
This obsession you have with our fans not turning up is not based on any sort of fact at all.
Post by: Drummond on April 11, 2022, 11:25:23 AM
The only things that should concern you when renewing is whether you can afford it and whether you have the time to go with your family comitment.
Results and value for money never come into it.
For you perhaps. But for many as prices go up, the value they get from it may well be affected. As an example, if a ticket is £500, you could argue that's acceptable for a mid-table team. Put the price up to £1000, then what's the value in that if it means fewer nights out with friends, or less activities for the kids?
It's your sort of view that allows clubs to charge what they want for that blind loyalty.
Post by: Dave P on April 11, 2022, 11:30:35 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on April 11, 2022, 11:30:37 AM
I paid £483, just checked. What tier is that, please?
2021-22 Prices
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Post by: Flin5tone on April 11, 2022, 11:58:02 AM
If you want to drive away loyal fans who can only afford a Season Ticket in the cheap seats for these mystery 22,000 who will probably find new hobbies if we get relegated then good luck to the club.
Our pricing does not represent value for money, a quick look on mcfc.com and you can pick up a ticket for 30 quid to watch world class players .
If we finish below 12th in the table I'd be absolutely amazed if they can still come forward with scrapping zone 5/6. Those who attend these meetings or who have contacts at the club should be making them aware how the fans feel regarding this .
I don't know his financial situation but there is an ordinary Grandfather by me who takes his 3 Grandchildren , jumping up two zones I imagine will drive them out and that's future support lost as the kids find new thing's to do on a weekend
I imagine those in the central areas of the upper Trinity Road and Doug Ellis could take a bigger hit financially than a family in the wings of the Holte End or family zone,for instance.
Post by: Border villan on April 11, 2022, 01:18:19 PM
I just for one moment don't believe there are 22,000 on a waiting list who would actually part with cash for a season ticket. If those so desperate to see us play why didn't the two night games in December sell out? Regardless of that, many who are season ticket holders now will have been so in the championship.
If you want to drive away loyal fans who can only afford a Season Ticket in the cheap seats for these mystery 22,000 who will probably find new hobbies if we get relegated then good luck to the club.
Our pricing does not represent value for money, a quick look on mcfc.com and you can pick up a ticket for 30 quid to watch world class players .
If we finish below 12th in the table I'd be absolutely amazed if they can still come forward with scrapping zone 5/6. Those who attend these meetings or who have contacts at the club should be making them aware how the fans feel regarding this .
I don't know his financial situation but there is an ordinary Grandfather by me who takes his 3 Grandchildren , jumping up two zones I imagine will drive them out and that's future support lost as the kids find new thing's to do on a weekend
I imagine those in the central areas of the upper Trinity Road and Doug Ellis could take a bigger hit financially than a family in the wings of the Holte End or family zone,for instance.
A couple of weeks early but the first cuckoo of spring has appeared.
Post by: Flin5tone on April 11, 2022, 01:36:19 PM
Moron
Post by: Border villan on April 11, 2022, 01:39:17 PM
Why is that?
Moron
Ooooooooooooooh, touchy.
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 11, 2022, 01:53:50 PM
Why is that?
Moron
One more of them and you're gone.
Post by: Flin5tone on April 11, 2022, 02:18:13 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 11, 2022, 02:33:02 PM
Why is that? You allow people to hurl abuse at me for a very reasonable opinion yet if I respond to it I'm 'gone' grow up you big bullyor call people wankers
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 11, 2022, 02:48:03 PM
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 11, 2022, 02:58:51 PM
Post by: Flin5tone on April 11, 2022, 03:11:01 PM
Post by: Clampy on April 11, 2022, 03:53:20 PM
What is unreasonable about questioning a 22,000 waiting list where no cash is handed over. Prior to promotion we struggled to shift tickets even for the biggest games. Where's 22,000 suddenly appeared from
Why does it matter? This is why people have a go at you. It's the same tedious posts OVER AND OVER again.
Post by: Flin5tone on April 11, 2022, 03:57:10 PM
Post by: Smithy on April 11, 2022, 03:57:32 PM
What is unreasonable about questioning a 22,000 waiting list where no cash is handed over. Prior to promotion we struggled to shift tickets even for the biggest games. Where's 22,000 suddenly appeared from
It hasn't "suddenly appeared". It's always been there. Do some of them lose interest when things are going badly on the pitch? Absolutely. But they don't "disappear". And right now, regardless of how the last 4 games have gone, things in the world of Aston Villa are about as good as they've been in a very long time. Birmingham is a city of a million people, with another couple of million in very easy commuting distance from Villa Park, and yet you find it unbelievable the club has found 22k fans willing to joining a waiting list for a season ticket to watch premier league football, and a developing team now backed by a couple of the richest owners in sports and who've demonstrated their willingness to spend it?
Frankly, I'd be surprised if we DIDN'T have a significant waiting list for season tickets.
Post by: Smithy on April 11, 2022, 04:00:21 PM
Because it's a debate about Season Ticket prices which for many WILL matter. They're ramping up prices on the back of a made up waiting list
If you genuinely think it's made up, then simply call their bluff - don't renew, and buy one when they inevitably come back on sale at a reduced price when the fictional 22k has failed to materialise. You'll not only be proven right, publicly, you'll also be quids in. It's win-win for you.
Post by: Flin5tone on April 11, 2022, 04:02:45 PM
It's a made up list with about 30-50% who have genuine interest.
I can't see how anyone can find pricing out the regular loyal fans as progress. We're a few points off the lower end of the table.
Let's see how you all react in a few weeks when we're hovering above the relegation zone . Let's see if Mr Purslow is so smug about the waiting list then.
We've regressed not progressed this season
Post by: Clampy on April 11, 2022, 04:04:20 PM
Why didn't the two fixtures in December sell out then? If there's 22,000 desperate for a slice of the action. Surely once tickets become available they'd snap them up with delight....
It's a made up list with about 30-50% who have genuine interest.
I can't see how anyone can find pricing out the regular loyal fans as progress. We're a few points off the lower end of the table.
Let's see how you all react in a few weeks when we're hovering above the relegation zone . Let's see if Mr Purslow is so smug about the waiting list then.
We've regressed not progressed this season
You are basing this on two fixtures that didn't sell out?
Post by: Clampy on April 11, 2022, 04:05:26 PM
Because it's a debate about Season Ticket prices which for many WILL matter. They're ramping up prices on the back of a made up waiting list
If you genuinely think it's made up, then simply call their bluff - don't renew, and buy one when they inevitably come back on sale at a reduced price when the fictional 22k has failed to materialise. You'll not only be proven right, publicly, you'll also be quids in. It's win-win for you.
This. Why don't you try it? That's if you have a season ticket that is, you may not.
Post by: Smithy on April 11, 2022, 04:13:00 PM
Why didn't the two fixtures in December sell out then? If there's 22,000 desperate for a slice of the action. Surely once tickets become available they'd snap them up with delight....
It's a made up list with about 30-50% who have genuine interest.
I can't see how anyone can find pricing out the regular loyal fans as progress. We're a few points off the lower end of the table.
Let's see how you all react in a few weeks when we're hovering above the relegation zone . Let's see if Mr Purslow is so smug about the waiting list then.
We've regressed not progressed this season
You mean the two games right before Christmas, four days apart, and that were about 500 shy of capacity? Yes, that's definitely a good reason to doubt the existence of a waiting list...
We are a hair's breadth over 42k if every seat is sold (including the away supporters), and every home match this season has been over 41k. If you genuinely believe the waiting list isn't real, then I've shown you precisely how you can be proven right in front of all your peers AND save a few quid along the way. Why would you not rejoice in the face of such an opportunity?
Post by: Flin5tone on April 11, 2022, 04:21:07 PM
Post by: Clampy on April 11, 2022, 04:27:22 PM
I'm awaiting confirmation of the increase before I make a decision on renewal. Hopefully the club are aware of the outrage regarding the removal of zone 5 and 6 which is targeting those probably less well off. Even though I'm not in those zones I will decide against renewal if they are removed.
No. It doesn't matter about any increase. If you think the waiting list isn't real, then just give it up and see if you get it back. It really is as simple as THAT.
Post by: Smithy on April 11, 2022, 04:28:31 PM
Why didn't the two fixtures in December sell out then? If there's 22,000 desperate for a slice of the action. Surely once tickets become available they'd snap them up with delight....
It's a made up list with about 30-50% who have genuine interest.
I can't see how anyone can find pricing out the regular loyal fans as progress. We're a few points off the lower end of the table.
Let's see how you all react in a few weeks when we're hovering above the relegation zone . Let's see if Mr Purslow is so smug about the waiting list then.
We've regressed not progressed this season
I don't like using facts and figures to change people's minds, because they're not very persuasive - but they will help to highlight the logical fallacy in your position regarding the waiting list.
This season we are ranked 4th in terms of sold tickets to ground capacity. Our average attendance is 98.1% of capacity. Only Norwich, Arsenal and Leicester have a higher percentage than that. Leicester are highest, at 99.1%
No one fills the ground every single game. No one.
No. One. It is not a thing that happens.
Manchester United claim a season ticket waiting list of 100,000 people (or did a couple of years ago), and yet they average only 97.5% capacity.
Arsenal have a waiting list in excess of 40,000, and their attendances are 98.2%, basically the same as ours.
It's almost as if the very fact of having a season ticket waiting list doesn't automatically mean you will fill the ground to capacity for every single match.
Funny that.
As for those Christmas fixtures that fell just short of capacity, I can't speak for anyone else, but I know that personally, I chose not to do ANYTHING in December so I could guarantee Christmas with the family I'd not seen in a long time. That meant in the few weeks before Christmas, no pubs, no socialising, no Christmas party, and no football. I can't speak for others, obviously, but it's just one explanation of why we might have been a couple of hundred short of 42k.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on April 11, 2022, 04:33:37 PM
Far from me to use a turn of phrase that matches my job description but the term "Painting yourself into a corner" comes to mind.I'm awaiting confirmation of the increase before I make a decision on renewal. Hopefully the club are aware of the outrage regarding the removal of zone 5 and 6 which is targeting those probably less well off. Even though I'm not in those zones I will decide against renewal if they are removed.
No. It doesn't matter about any increase. If you think the waiting list isn't real, then just give it up and see if you get it back. It really is as simple as THAT.
Post by: TheTimVilla on April 11, 2022, 04:34:09 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 11, 2022, 05:17:40 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 11, 2022, 05:26:33 PM
I am sure the waiting list is real but I doubt it's 22,000 now, even before price increases. Some people will have gone on the list one or two years ago, perhaps longer, and may have changed their minds by now.
I doubt many, if at all any, will have gone down what is most likely an infuriating and tortuous path of attempting to remove themselves from something on the Villa ticketing website! There probably are 22,000 on the list, but yeah, the number that would take up an offer of one right now won't be that big.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 11, 2022, 06:04:33 PM
I paid £483, just checked. What tier is that, please?
2021-22 Prices
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Thanks. I'm looking at a £150 increase, then. Not good. Do I really need two kidneys?
Post by: amfy on April 11, 2022, 06:37:38 PM
Why didn't the two fixtures in December sell out then? If there's 22,000 desperate for a slice of the action. Surely once tickets become available they'd snap them up with delight....
It's a made up list with about 30-50% who have genuine interest.
I can't see how anyone can find pricing out the regular loyal fans as progress. We're a few points off the lower end of the table.
Let's see how you all react in a few weeks when we're hovering above the relegation zone . Let's see if Mr Purslow is so smug about the waiting list then.
We've regressed not progressed this season
How about the fact that many of them might be kids who don’t come to night games? ....or families in general with lots of commitments at Christmas? How about lots being people like me that live over a hundred miles away & find night games difficult but still have a season ticket?
Not being able to make a couple of awkward games doesn’t rule you out from being a potential season ticket holder.
Post by: Flin5tone on April 11, 2022, 07:13:40 PM
The fact is there isn't ,50% at tops. Then factor into the price rises and performances some of those will drop off. Large chunk of it were probably sign ups because of Jack Grealish , over excited kids and so on, who will never get round to removing themselves from the list.
It sounds good though and makes out there is a huge demand , which I do understand from the club but just don't punish those loyal fans on the lowest incomes .
Absolute Disgrace
Anyway I think they will hold back to see where we finish in the league. They will have expected AT THE VERY LEAST top half so they might have a rethink when we're closer to the drop than the conference league
Post by: chrisw1 on April 11, 2022, 07:29:30 PM
As for prices, I reckon even after the balancing (which obviously comes hard for those effected most) we will still have some of the cheapest tickets in the PL. The seats aren't means tested, so expecting one Zone to subsidise others isn't necessarily fair or reasonable. I'm sure people all round the ground will be making difficult decisions come renewal time.
Post by: chrisw1 on April 11, 2022, 07:33:27 PM
Are you sure your Zone is moving up one? It hasn't been announced yet exactly which Zone are changing has it?I paid £483, just checked. What tier is that, please?
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Thanks. I'm looking at a £150 increase, then. Not good. Do I really need two kidneys?
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 11, 2022, 07:39:08 PM
increase of 35 pounds, happy with thatI paid £483, just checked. What tier is that, please?
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Thanks. I'm looking at a £150 increase, then. Not good. Do I really need two[/
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 11, 2022, 07:47:10 PM
Are you sure your Zone is moving up one? It hasn't been announced yet exactly which Zone are changing has it?I paid £483, just checked. What tier is that, please?
2021-22 Prices
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Thanks. I'm looking at a £150 increase, then. Not good. Do I really need two kidneys?
According to speculation it was zone four and below, I think. Hopefully not. If so, we'll the zone 3 and below will be even harder hit so I shouldn't feel too sorry for myself, I suppose.
Post by: Ads on April 11, 2022, 07:47:12 PM
The only things that should concern you when renewing is whether you can afford it and whether you have the time to go with your family comitment.
Results and value for money never come into it.
For you perhaps. But for many as prices go up, the value they get from it may well be affected. As an example, if a ticket is £500, you could argue that's acceptable for a mid-table team. Put the price up to £1000, then what's the value in that if it means fewer nights out with friends, or less activities for the kids?
It's your sort of view that allows clubs to charge what they want for that blind loyalty.
My view of if you can afford it and it isn't going to impinge on family comitment? If it goes up by £500, which it's not, then its a question of is that affordable and for many, the answer is no.
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 11, 2022, 08:32:31 PM
I paid £483, just checked. What tier is that, please?
2021-22 Prices
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Thanks. I'm looking at a £150 increase, then. Not good. Do I really need two kidneys?
Yep, im in L2, with my 15 year old and 12 year old, it zone 4 goes thats £136 rise by my estimation, thats going to be difficult with everything else going up. A 10% rose on all zones including 4 would be more manageable. We’ll see i suppose
Post by: amfy on April 11, 2022, 08:38:05 PM
I paid £483, just checked. What tier is that, please?
2021-22 Prices
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Thanks. I'm looking at a £150 increase, then. Not good. Do I really need two kidneys?
Yep, im in L2, with my 15 year old and 12 year old, it zone 4 goes thats £136 rise by my estimation, thats going to be difficult with everything else going up. A 10% rose on all zones including 4 would be more manageable. We’ll see i suppose
I thought it was said that Zone 6 would go up to the price of Zone 4 ie the very outer wings coming up to match the slightly inner wings.
Post by: KNVillan on April 11, 2022, 08:43:50 PM
https://twitter.com/villa_trust/status/1513587297966559232?s=21&t=SL2HnT8929nc3LeQZ36Vyg
Minutes from the Fans Consultation Group Meeting
Following on from the updates from the FCG meeting with Christian Purslow on April 7, here is an overview of the matters covered. In particular season ticket pricing, Villa Park expansion and on-pitch performance.
Fan Representatives
Mo Razzaq & Karl Bowater, AVST; Dave Woodhall, Heroes & Villans; David Michael, My Old Man Said; Harjit Badesha, Punjabi Villans; John Gillett, Lions Clubs; Scott Jones, Villa Talk; Nick Sanders, avillafan.com; Sam Timms & Sarah Breslin, Villa & Proud; Steve Gough, AV Independent Supporters Clubs; Aaron Jones, Aston Villa Disabled Supporters Association
Apologies: Jonathan Fear, Vital Villa; Nilesh Chauhan, Villans Together
Club Representatives
Christian Purslow, Chief Executive Officer; Paul Tyrell, Chief Corporate Affairs Officer; Nicola Ibbetson, Chief Commercial Officer; Lee Preece, Supporters’ Liaison Manager; Tommy Jordan, Communications Director; Lynne O’Reardon, Head of Ticketing Operations; Adam Lowe, Head of Marketing
For tonight’s FCG, the club had several items that we wished to update on and discuss with Fan Reps accordingly. Fan questions or comments raised during the discussions are shown in italics.
1 Premier League (PL) Update
An update was provided to Fan Reps regarding issues on the horizon for PL Clubs and to ensure fans that the club is fully engaged and contributing to the discussion on football governance.
Mr Purslow discussed UEFA’s announcement regarding changes to FFP regulations (moving within a 3-year period that clubs can only spend 70% of their turnover on wages and transfers). These rules only apply to those clubs who qualify for UEFA competition. The concerns over this new system for the wider football community were discussed.
Will the Premier League adopt the same 70% rule?
Answer Any change in PL regulations would require the agreement of 14 clubs.
The second item related to the Fan Led Review, and an update for the group that football authorities are in a consultation phase with Government and relevant authorities regarding what elements should be adopted. It is clear the attempted European Super League breakaway has changed the political landscape of football and matters such as independent regulation and financial support for the League pyramid are very much part of the discussions.
2 COVID Update
PL Covid protocols have now moved to symptomatic testing only for players, an indication that we are moving back to normality.
The club appreciated the help and support of fans complying with Covid protocol requirements when fans were allowed to return.
3 Season Ticket Pricing
The Board recently asked Nicola Ibbetson’s Commercial team to conduct a strategic review of ticketing at Villa Park over the last ten years. The catalyst for the request was the significant impact COVID has had on Season Ticket and all matchday revenue over two seasons.
A report was presented to the Board and although the report is confidential, substantial details of it were presented to the Fan Reps to aid discussion and questions.
Even prior to reviewing the report, it was accepted by some FCG reps that Season Ticket prices were low compared to other PL clubs and that they represented good value for money.
The report showed that our current pricing:
was easily amongst the cheapest in the PL for both match & season tickets
has traditionally tracked below the rate of inflation
was complicated with the stadium split in to six price zones
offered concession reductions for Over 65, Under 21 and Junior tickets of up to 80% of the full price
Whilst TV revenue and league position remain the most significant revenue streams, the club stated it must grow all revenues to be competitive.
The club presented broad proposals, based on three key principles. Pricing should be simple (easy to understand), fair (representing value for money) and reasonable (compared to the clubs we are competing against in the PL).
It believed that prices should be increased across the entire Season Ticket range and there would likely be other increases in specific categories due to the simplification of price categories and the realignment of concession percentages.
The club stressed that while no final decision has been made on the precise level of increases, it welcomed the input and views of FCG Reps.
A general discussion was then held on the subject and specific questions were asked which included:
Will there be options for Direct Debit / spreading payments?
We are currently speaking with our finance providers.
Do we know if the number of fans on the waiting list for season tickets will reduce if we increase prices?
We have no way of knowing but this is a possibility.
When the club decide to change price categories for certain areas can the quality of the facilities / catering in those stands be taken in to account?
Yes – this will be considered.
Can the classification of what constitutes a restricted view be reviewed?
We are happy to receive the coordinates of any seat to review the restricted or clear view categorisation.
Following the discussion, Mr Purslow said the club would take the feedback received from the FCG and further consider options.
It was agreed that any communications on ticket price increases will be transparent.
4 On-pitch performance
Steven Gerrard and his team have settled into a different club, community and training ground environment very well. We are well underway for our plans for 22/23.
At Academy level, the relationship between Steven and Mark Harrison is providing a clear pathway for young footballers. Our loan programme is seeing players getting good minutes. A clear indication of progress could be seen during the last international window, with the club having the 4th highest number of under 21’s away on international duty with their respective countries.
The Women’s team have gone through radical changes this year, seeing the introduction of Carla Ward. We are seeing progress in the number of points achieved and becoming much harder to beat. There is continued support from the Men’s operation for the squad and staff. Jill Scott has been a welcome addition to the squad offering advice from her vast experience within the game.
5 Developing Villa Park
As well as a fan engagement survey on stadium developments with the wider fanbase which we will be launching shortly, the club will arrange a specific FCG meeting to consult on plans in more detail. The FCG were introduced to reps from Liquid PR who will be leading the consultation & communication process.
The club have put together a top-class development team of design consultants, architects etc who have been working for the last few months on the project.
Preliminary plans, a preliminary timetable and a programme for applying for planning permission have been created.
The first phase has three key elements:
a new North Stand
refurb of all Trinity Road Stand hospitality facilities
a multi-purpose fan zone on the area behind the North Stand
Any development will be sympathetic to our history and heritage, celebrating everything that makes our club great.
We are working with our regional partners to ensure that the development is a catalyst for change in the B6 area, creating a destination venue that supports the whole community and ensuring Villa Park has the facilities to target a 365-day business model.
We are acutely aware of the transport issues. Birmingham needs to have a stadium of at least 50,000 (with appropriate transport structures and facilities in place) for the city to participate in Euro 2028 (if the Football Association is successful with a bid). The Club have welcomed all the cooperation received from both local and national stakeholders in our discussions so far.
Formal consultation will be launched in the weeks ahead where we will be asking all our fans and our wider community to share their views.
Do the plans include areas for safe standing?
We are monitoring all the current safe standing trials in this country and gathering information from the safe standing models adopted across European football. The North Stand development will not include safe standing, however, we are looking to potentially develop safe standing options in other areas of the stadium.
Post by: nigel on April 11, 2022, 09:55:14 PM
Are you sure your Zone is moving up one? It hasn't been announced yet exactly which Zone are changing has it?I paid £483, just checked. What tier is that, please?
2021-22 Prices
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Thanks. I'm looking at a £150 increase, then. Not good. Do I really need two kidneys?
My thought is that it’s 10% for zones 1-4. Zones 5 and 6 will become zone 4, so they will have the bigger increase.
I’m zone 6, so mine will increase by £150.
Those in zone 5 will be about £100
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 11, 2022, 10:53:05 PM
Post by: eamonn on April 11, 2022, 11:04:09 PM
Also, he didn't exactly proffer much opinion on our on-field performances this season, did he?!
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 12, 2022, 12:22:14 AM
My zone is 6, so that '£370 or have I got that wrongAre you sure your Zone is moving up one? It hasn't been announced yet exactly which Zone are changing has it?I paid £483, just checked. What tier is that, please?
2021-22 Prices
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Thanks. I'm looking at a £150 increase, then. Not good. Do I really need two kidneys?
My thought is that it’s 10% for zones 1-4. Zones 5 and 6 will become zone 4, so they will have the bigger increase.
I’m zone 6, so mine will increase by £150.
Those in zone 5 will be about £100
Post by: Dave P on April 12, 2022, 06:48:42 AM
My zone is 6, so that '£370 or have I got that wrongAre you sure your Zone is moving up one? It hasn't been announced yet exactly which Zone are changing has it?I paid £483, just checked. What tier is that, please?
2021-22 Prices
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Thanks. I'm looking at a £150 increase, then. Not good. Do I really need two kidneys?
My thought is that it’s 10% for zones 1-4. Zones 5 and 6 will become zone 4, so they will have the bigger increase.
I’m zone 6, so mine will increase by £150.
Those in zone 5 will be about £100
Those are this seasons prices, so next season the talk is that zones 5 and 6 are going so your £370 ticket will become £483 + 10% so £531.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on April 12, 2022, 07:36:44 AM
My zone is 6, so that '£370 or have I got that wrongAre you sure your Zone is moving up one? It hasn't been announced yet exactly which Zone are changing has it?I paid £483, just checked. What tier is that, please?
2021-22 Prices
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Thanks. I'm looking at a £150 increase, then. Not good. Do I really need two kidneys?
My thought is that it’s 10% for zones 1-4. Zones 5 and 6 will become zone 4, so they will have the bigger increase.
I’m zone 6, so mine will increase by £150.
Those in zone 5 will be about £100
Those are this seasons prices, so next season the talk is that zones 5 and 6 are going so your £370 ticket will become £483 + 10% so £531.
So a 43% rise for those in current zone 6?
purslow appears to be throwing Nicola Ibbetson and her team under the bus for that one, if it's the case. Great ceo he is!
Also the starstruck one appears not so convinced with his star judging by his absence of an onfield report for the 1st team.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 12, 2022, 07:48:19 AM
eh?My zone is 6, so that '£370 or have I got that wrongAre you sure your Zone is moving up one? It hasn't been announced yet exactly which Zone are changing has it?I paid £483, just checked. What tier is that, please?
2021-22 Prices
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Thanks. I'm looking at a £150 increase, then. Not good. Do I really need two kidneys?
My thought is that it’s 10% for zones 1-4. Zones 5 and 6 will become zone 4, so they will have the bigger increase.
I’m zone 6, so mine will increase by £150.
Those in zone 5 will be about £100
Those are this seasons prices, so next season the talk is that zones 5 and 6 are going so your £370 ticket will become £483 + 10% so £531.
So a 43% rise for those in current zone 6?
purslow appears to be throwing Nicola Ibbetson and her team under the bus for that one, if it's the case. Great ceo he is!
Also the starstruck one appears not so convinced with his star judging by his absence of an onfield report for the 1st team.
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 12, 2022, 07:52:11 AM
oh thanks,My zone is 6, so that '£370 or have I got that wrongAre you sure your Zone is moving up one? It hasn't been announced yet exactly which Zone are changing has it?I paid £483, just checked. What tier is that, please?
2021-22 Prices
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Thanks. I'm looking at a £150 increase, then. Not good. Do I really need two kidneys?
My thought is that it’s 10% for zones 1-4. Zones 5 and 6 will become zone 4, so they will have the bigger increase.
I’m zone 6, so mine will increase by £150.
Those in zone 5 will be about £100
Those are this seasons prices, so next season the talk is that zones 5 and 6 are going so your £370 ticket will become £483 + 10% so £531.
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 12, 2022, 07:56:29 AM
Post by: Dave P on April 12, 2022, 08:01:22 AM
I wait till it's officially announced before ventin fire, brimstone and death
Correct. That’s why I said ‘the talk is’ that their going to do that. Nothing confirmed as yet.
Post by: Mister E on April 12, 2022, 08:17:45 AM
I don't like using facts and figures to change people's minds, because they're not very persuasive - but they will help to highlight the logical fallacy in your position regarding the waiting list.You're very persuasive, Smithy. Top debating!
This season we are ranked 4th in terms of sold tickets to ground capacity. Our average attendance is 98.1% of capacity. Only Norwich, Arsenal and Leicester have a higher percentage than that. Leicester are highest, at 99.1%
No one fills the ground every single game. No one.
No. One. It is not a thing that happens.
Manchester United claim a season ticket waiting list of 100,000 people (or did a couple of years ago), and yet they average only 97.5% capacity.
Arsenal have a waiting list in excess of 40,000, and their attendances are 98.2%, basically the same as ours.
It's almost as if the very fact of having a season ticket waiting list doesn't automatically mean you will fill the ground to capacity for every single match.
Funny that.
As for those Christmas fixtures that fell just short of capacity, I can't speak for anyone else, but I know that personally, I chose not to do ANYTHING in December so I could guarantee Christmas with the family I'd not seen in a long time. That meant in the few weeks before Christmas, no pubs, no socialising, no Christmas party, and no football. I can't speak for others, obviously, but it's just one explanation of why we might have been a couple of hundred short of 42k.
Post by: LeeB on April 12, 2022, 09:33:25 AM
My zone is 6, so that '£370 or have I got that wrongAre you sure your Zone is moving up one? It hasn't been announced yet exactly which Zone are changing has it?I paid £483, just checked. What tier is that, please?
2021-22 Prices
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Thanks. I'm looking at a £150 increase, then. Not good. Do I really need two kidneys?
My thought is that it’s 10% for zones 1-4. Zones 5 and 6 will become zone 4, so they will have the bigger increase.
I’m zone 6, so mine will increase by £150.
Those in zone 5 will be about £100
Those are this seasons prices, so next season the talk is that zones 5 and 6 are going so your £370 ticket will become £483 + 10% so £531.
I'm in this bracket, deep joy. As it stands, I'll be thinking twice about it.
Post by: Flin5tone on April 12, 2022, 09:52:15 AM
Pick up a season ticket behind the goals for 300€ at most European Clubs. They're taking your support for granted. The more emails the better chance we have of retaining those vital price zone categories. With the cost of living and wages stalling it's an insult to either consider putting up season passes just to pay for some under achiever on the bench
Make a stand!
Post by: PeterWithe on April 12, 2022, 09:59:02 AM
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 12, 2022, 10:18:19 AM
So are we feeling ‘simplify concession prices’ = kids prices rising dramatically?
Not only kids.
Post by: Drummond on April 12, 2022, 10:32:21 AM
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on April 12, 2022, 11:04:38 AM
Simplifying makes sense, though it's all smoke and mirrors. Why not just say 'We are putting prices up to raise more money to pay Coutinho because so many of you said he as worth the ticket price on his own'. Or, 'We're aiming high, and that means more cost, we need to increase revenue and I'm afraid you lot are going to pay for it'. p.s. We'll improve the shit facilities so that you can spend more instead of waiting in queues and missing what you've already paid to see.£100 or £150 is a hell of a price hike, though, especially with the cost of living going up as it is!
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 12, 2022, 11:24:03 AM
Has any one said they are going up 20% + ?Simplifying makes sense, though it's all smoke and mirrors. Why not just say 'We are putting prices up to raise more money to pay Coutinho because so many of you said he as worth the ticket price on his own'. Or, 'We're aiming high, and that means more cost, we need to increase revenue and I'm afraid you lot are going to pay for it'. p.s. We'll improve the shit facilities so that you can spend more instead of waiting in queues and missing what you've already paid to see.£100 or £150 is a hell of a price hike, though, especially with the cost of living going up as it is!
Post by: PeterWithe on April 12, 2022, 11:38:57 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on April 12, 2022, 11:56:54 AM
They haven't finalised it but at the FCG meeting they stated all seats were going up a minimum of 10%. There was also a plan to change some Zones and reduce some concession discounts. So yes, if you're Zone changes then if they go ahead with the plans then you could easily be looking at a 20% uplift, more if you have a concession ticket.Has any one said they are going up 20% + ?Simplifying makes sense, though it's all smoke and mirrors. Why not just say 'We are putting prices up to raise more money to pay Coutinho because so many of you said he as worth the ticket price on his own'. Or, 'We're aiming high, and that means more cost, we need to increase revenue and I'm afraid you lot are going to pay for it'. p.s. We'll improve the shit facilities so that you can spend more instead of waiting in queues and missing what you've already paid to see.£100 or £150 is a hell of a price hike, though, especially with the cost of living going up as it is!
My suspicion is they will back track on the Zone adjustments or tone them down a bit, but we'll see.
Post by: AV82EC on April 12, 2022, 11:57:31 AM
As someone in Z2 Adult who can afford a hefty increase I’d be happy to see that as opposed to maybe pricing people out in Z5-6 and also kids who are the Z1/Z2 Adults of the future. However that’s possibly too socialist for Purslow and it looks like those potentially least able to afford it will be priced out. All supposition of course but I hope its as fair as it can be.
Post by: chrisw1 on April 12, 2022, 12:09:51 PM
The bottom line is they’ll be looking to maximise revenue. How that cuts across the 36 different price points (6 zones and 6 pricing categories) remains to be seen but we are all going to pay more so at least.Not everyone in the Holte is a Tory with spare cash hanging out their back pocket. There's plenty of youngster there because that's where the atmosphere is. Seats aren't means tested at the Villa so we have to be careful when advocating too much cross subsidising. I suspect our cheapest seats will remain some of the cheapest in the PL. Lets not drive the atmosphere out of the Holte by going too far here.
As someone in Z2 Adult who can afford a hefty increase I’d be happy to see that as opposed to maybe pricing people out in Z5-6 and also kids who are the Z1/Z2 Adults of the future. However that’s possibly too socialist for Purslow and it looks like those potentially least able to afford it will be priced out. All supposition of course but I hope its as fair as it can be.
Post by: AV82EC on April 12, 2022, 01:01:12 PM
The bottom line is they’ll be looking to maximise revenue. How that cuts across the 36 different price points (6 zones and 6 pricing categories) remains to be seen but we are all going to pay more so at least.Not everyone in the Holte is a Tory with spare cash hanging out their back pocket. There's plenty of youngster there because that's where the atmosphere is. Seats aren't means tested at the Villa so we have to be careful when advocating too much cross subsidising. I suspect our cheapest seats will remain some of the cheapest in the PL. Lets not drive the atmosphere out of the Holte by going too far here.
As someone in Z2 Adult who can afford a hefty increase I’d be happy to see that as opposed to maybe pricing people out in Z5-6 and also kids who are the Z1/Z2 Adults of the future. However that’s possibly too socialist for Purslow and it looks like those potentially least able to afford it will be priced out. All supposition of course but I hope its as fair as it can be.
I don’t know if I’m more offended at the implication I’m a Tory or a Holtender? I’m neither for the avoidance of doubt.
Post by: chrisw1 on April 12, 2022, 01:09:05 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 12, 2022, 02:49:24 PM
Post by: Flin5tone on April 12, 2022, 02:50:50 PM
Remember where you came from and who were there in the wind and rain on a Tuesday night in the Championship
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 12, 2022, 02:54:14 PM
Those at the top are taking the P out of us big time.
I hear you Rick.
Post by: Mister E on April 12, 2022, 03:03:12 PM
Those at the top are taking the P out of us big time. The every day person is being walked over whilst the Government and those in charge do as they please. The little man isn't wanted ...I'm offended by your heightist comment.
We pay alot less for our EPL experience than many.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 12, 2022, 04:16:08 PM
Those at the top are taking the P out of us big time. The every day person is being walked over whilst the Government and those in charge do as they please. The little man isn't wanted , same applies to zone 5 and 6 supporters.
Remember where you came from and who were there in the wind and rain on a Tuesday night in the Championship
I was there against Middlesborough in the Zenith Data systems cup before the Holte roof was extended and got thoroughly pissed on and now can't get a couple of season tickets if i wanted to but you don't hear me complaining.
Anyway, Boris and his mate got a fine today so that'll cheer you up hopefully.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 13, 2022, 10:51:42 AM
Those at the top are taking the P out of us big time.
I hear you Rick.
That really is very good.
Post by: eamonn on April 13, 2022, 11:01:18 AM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on April 13, 2022, 11:05:23 AM
Superb.Those at the top are taking the P out of us big time.
I hear you Rick.
That really is very good.
And one of the many reasons I frequent this site so often!
Post by: Flin5tone on April 16, 2022, 05:17:57 PM
Be VERY interesting if they take away zone 5/6 when we are in relegation form.
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 16, 2022, 05:49:27 PM
We're now 14TH in the league with everyone winning around us. I can only see more misery in the weeks ahead , Newcastle overtaking us with the help of one of our players looks inevitable, Leeds are picking up form we could well finish a couple of places above the drop zone.
Be VERY interesting if they take away zone 5/6 when we are in relegation form.
There's certainly been more misery on here in the past half an hour or so.
Post by: Border villan on April 16, 2022, 05:53:11 PM
Post by: exiled on the wirral! on April 16, 2022, 06:30:53 PM
You say that Dave but some people are genuinely more happy when they are unhappy...We're now 14TH in the league with everyone winning around us. I can only see more misery in the weeks ahead , Newcastle overtaking us with the help of one of our players looks inevitable, Leeds are picking up form we could well finish a couple of places above the drop zone.
Be VERY interesting if they take away zone 5/6 when we are in relegation form.
There's certainly been more misery on here in the past half an hour or so.
Post by: Ads on April 16, 2022, 06:46:04 PM
Post by: Pete3206 on April 16, 2022, 08:48:56 PM
Post by: Risso on April 17, 2022, 01:06:52 PM
You say that Dave but some people are genuinely more happy when they are unhappy...We're now 14TH in the league with everyone winning around us. I can only see more misery in the weeks ahead , Newcastle overtaking us with the help of one of our players looks inevitable, Leeds are picking up form we could well finish a couple of places above the drop zone.
Be VERY interesting if they take away zone 5/6 when we are in relegation form.
There's certainly been more misery on here in the past half an hour or so.
Didn't Footy say he was taking a break until Easter as well? More misery to look forward to next week then.
Post by: BlackCountryVilla on April 17, 2022, 08:34:32 PM
Do the wankers get a discount for leaving earlyOnly just seen this. What a piss poor comment.
Some people leave early for a good reason. They are not all wankers mate!
My old man can't get to the train or bus with the crowds so he gets a head start. Sorry if that offends you.
At the end of the day he can leave whenever he wants and he doesn't need your approval.
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on April 17, 2022, 08:35:44 PM
I take it you haven't been following wankergate?Do the wankers get a discount for leaving earlyOnly just seen this. What a piss poor comment.
Some people leave early for a good reason. They are not all wankers mate!
My old man can't get to the train or bus with the crowds so he gets a head start. Sorry if that offends you.
At the end of the day he can leave whenever he wants and he doesn't need your approval.
Post by: BlackCountryVilla on April 17, 2022, 10:09:53 PM
No I haven't. I have no idea what you are referring to. Feel free to point me in the right direction!I take it you haven't been following wankergate?Do the wankers get a discount for leaving earlyOnly just seen this. What a piss poor comment.
Some people leave early for a good reason. They are not all wankers mate!
My old man can't get to the train or bus with the crowds so he gets a head start. Sorry if that offends you.
At the end of the day he can leave whenever he wants and he doesn't need your approval.
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 17, 2022, 11:55:14 PM
That comment was a bit of sarcasm in answer to another post,no disrespect intended,Do the wankers get a discount for leaving earlyOnly just seen this. What a piss poor comment.
Some people leave early for a good reason. They are not all wankers mate!
My old man can't get to the train or bus with the crowds so he gets a head start. Sorry if that offends you.
At the end of the day he can leave whenever he wants and he doesn't need your approval.
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 17, 2022, 11:57:28 PM
Certain comments made after the Spurs game match day threadNo I haven't. I have no idea what you are referring to. Feel free to point me in the right direction!I take it you haven't been following wankergate?Do the wankers get a discount for leaving earlyOnly just seen this. What a piss poor comment.
Some people leave early for a good reason. They are not all wankers mate!
My old man can't get to the train or bus with the crowds so he gets a head start. Sorry if that offends you.
At the end of the day he can leave whenever he wants and he doesn't need your approval.
Post by: BlackCountryVilla on April 18, 2022, 08:41:07 AM
That comment was a bit of sarcasm in answer to another post,no disrespect intended,Do the wankers get a discount for leaving earlyOnly just seen this. What a piss poor comment.
Some people leave early for a good reason. They are not all wankers mate!
My old man can't get to the train or bus with the crowds so he gets a head start. Sorry if that offends you.
At the end of the day he can leave whenever he wants and he doesn't need your approval.
Fair enough. Apologies for the mini rant! It grinds my gears a little when people are made to feel that they need to justify what time they leave.
Post by: Dave P on May 02, 2022, 09:05:51 AM
Post by: amfy on May 03, 2022, 08:42:31 PM
Prices set to rise 10% overall. After consultation with the fan group they have put a cap on the compound rise for those affected by several different factors (e.g if your seat is going to a higher zone and your are in a concession bracket where the discount is shifting).
As I wasn’t at the last meeting I’m not clear on which zones are changing price level - but not long to wait! Restricted view seats will still have a 10% discount against other tickets in the same area.
Overall, the concession discounts in the past have been much better than for other clubs and are generally still better discounts but with the gap reduced. E.g. - an u14 ticket had a discount of 83% which has now shifted to 78% against a Premier League average of 73%. If an u14 is in a seat where the zone is being changed, the overall rise will be capped.
In the case of families they will either cap the price rise for the family ticket, or the discount applied to an individual in that family, whichever is more advantageous to the family if there is a compound rise.
The senior concession is moving from age 65 to 66. It was going to be 67 but on consultation they recognised that this was an awkward anomaly for anyone who is currently 66!
On the day of the announcement they will be putting extra senior staff on AVFCsupport on Twitter to answer any questions arising from the announcement.
The waiting list is still going up and is now over 24,000!
They also said 10,000 people have responded to the North Stand redevelopment survey but would like as many as possible to respond to get the best possible picture before final submissions to planning.
Post by: Max Villan on May 03, 2022, 08:51:06 PM
Post by: amfy on May 03, 2022, 08:53:36 PM
That's a very short renewal time. Why would they not give until the end of June so people have been paid?Because people get paid at the end of May?
As far as I remember deadline has always been at the start of June & it’s not like your season ticket renewal is a surprise.
They are also likely to have an exceptional number of relocations to deal with if people need to move to lower price zones and they are anticipating people starting to relocate from The North Stand.
Post by: Max Villan on May 03, 2022, 09:06:14 PM
Is there really much scope for relocations with how full the ground is?
Would help if they offered a less strict credit option to spread the payments, but we will see..
Post by: amfy on May 03, 2022, 09:18:41 PM
I'm pretty sure we have usually had until the end of June to renew. Although TBH, we used to have early bird deals etc in April so it used to be better to take advantage of them.
Is there really much scope for relocations with how full the ground is?
Would help if they offered a less strict credit option to spread the payments, but we will see..
The credit option is still 8 months, interest free, no admin fee.
They won’t know how much scope there is for relocations until they know how many are renewing but they usually deal with 600-2000 a season apparently.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 03, 2022, 09:21:56 PM
Post by: Max Villan on May 03, 2022, 09:22:31 PM
I'm pretty sure we have usually had until the end of June to renew. Although TBH, we used to have early bird deals etc in April so it used to be better to take advantage of them.
Is there really much scope for relocations with how full the ground is?
Would help if they offered a less strict credit option to spread the payments, but we will see..
The credit option is still 8 months, interest free, no admin fee.
They won’t know how much scope there is for relocations until they know how many are renewing but they usually deal with 600-2000 a season apparently.
If you're approved by it yeah. Was never rejected by zebra, but haven't been able to use the new finance provider as they rejected me (credit isnt even that bad!).
Other clubs (Brighton) offer a direct debit provided by the club, not sure why we can't do something like that...
Post by: Max Villan on May 03, 2022, 09:22:57 PM
I can't really see how anyone can think 8 months interest free credit with no admin fee is 'strict'.
See above post. I mean in terms of approval.
edit: I'd be happy to pay it in half that, with admin fees, if they accepted it!
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 03, 2022, 09:32:22 PM
I can't really see how anyone can think 8 months interest free credit with no admin fee is 'strict'.
It's not bad but, as I've said before, I wish we could just have the option of a rolling 12 month direct debit without the need to actually bother renewing, unless you opt out.
Post by: Max Villan on May 03, 2022, 09:34:47 PM
I can't really see how anyone can think 8 months interest free credit with no admin fee is 'strict'.
It's not bad but, as I've said before, I wish we could just have the option of a rolling 12 month direct debit without the need to actually bother renewing, unless you opt out.
That would be perfect. They'd find it much easier to increase the price aswell then, from a cynical pov.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on May 03, 2022, 09:42:26 PM
Yes agree that a12 rolling deal would be a great idea and a great option for some.I can't really see how anyone can think 8 months interest free credit with no admin fee is 'strict'.
It's not bad but, as I've said before, I wish we could just have the option of a rolling 12 month direct debit without the need to actually bother renewing, unless you opt out.
That would be perfect. They'd find it much easier to increase the price aswell then, from a cynical pov.
Post by: amfy on May 03, 2022, 09:51:30 PM
Yes agree that a12 rolling deal would be a great idea and a great option for some.I can't really see how anyone can think 8 months interest free credit with no admin fee is 'strict'.
It's not bad but, as I've said before, I wish we could just have the option of a rolling 12 month direct debit without the need to actually bother renewing, unless you opt out.
That would be perfect. They'd find it much easier to increase the price aswell then, from a cynical pov.
Me too. It’d work for everyone as it would genuinely, on a month to month basis be cheaper than match by match. Paying the lot up front, & even the 8 month option, just edge some people out.
From the clubs perspective, fans sleepwalking into renewal on a 12 month direct debit would seem to make sense too.
Post by: aldridgeboy on May 03, 2022, 11:26:52 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 03, 2022, 11:31:20 PM
Post by: Ad@m on May 04, 2022, 12:07:14 AM
When do fixtures usually come out ? That will be a big deciding factor for me about renewing.
Out of interest, why will the fixtures have a bearing on your renewal?
All we'll know from the fixtures is who we're playing mid-week Vs weekend. It won't tell you the TV matches. Or is it that there are certain weekends you can't do?
Post by: sid1964 on May 04, 2022, 06:44:26 AM
As every summer for the past 40 years, i am undecided?
Post by: Ads on May 04, 2022, 08:16:50 AM
Post by: sid1964 on May 04, 2022, 08:26:47 AM
I keep hoping that every season we will see a team that can win on a regular basis and compete for trophies
If i don't go I will miss the people who sit by me and have a laugh with.
Post by: chrisw1 on May 04, 2022, 10:39:26 AM
I can only guess the club want the money al up front, which presume they they get using a credit partner. There's also no risk of people defaulting half way through a season and cancelling their direct debit. But yes, a 10 or 12 month DD straight to the club would be great.I can't really see how anyone can think 8 months interest free credit with no admin fee is 'strict'.
It's not bad but, as I've said before, I wish we could just have the option of a rolling 12 month direct debit without the need to actually bother renewing, unless you opt out.
Post by: Ads on May 04, 2022, 10:50:48 AM
I love Aston Villa football club and will until my last breath
Absolutely everything you post suggests you don't enjoy it at all. Maybe time to give it up.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 04, 2022, 11:03:03 AM
I love Aston Villa football club and will until my last breath, just not a fan of most of the very average players that are currently representing the club.
I keep hoping that every season we will see a team that can win on a regular basis and compete for trophies
If i don't go I will miss the people who sit by me and have a laugh with.
Your username suggests you've been around for a long time, and yet you consider the current crop of players to be very average?
Did you miss the second half of the 1980s, most of the 90s through until about 2007, and every year since 2010?
Post by: aldridgeboy on May 04, 2022, 03:30:24 PM
When do fixtures usually come out ? That will be a big deciding factor for me about renewing.
Out of interest, why will the fixtures have a bearing on your renewal?
All we'll know from the fixtures is who we're playing mid-week Vs weekend. It won't tell you the TV matches. Or is it that there are certain weekends you can't do?
Because I work mostly weddings, Saturdays are generally a busy day for me in August /September and again in April/May. But as I get booked up well in advance , I know the free weekends for those months now.
I’m one of the few people that love it when we get moved to another day for TV.
Post by: BC54 VFC on May 04, 2022, 03:32:44 PM
Post by: Towser on May 04, 2022, 03:35:03 PM
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Post by: charleeco7 on May 04, 2022, 03:38:44 PM
Post by: oldhill_avfc on May 04, 2022, 03:39:40 PM
I love Aston Villa football club and will until my last breath, just not a fan of most of the very average players that are currently representing the club.
I keep hoping that every season we will see a team that can win on a regular basis and compete for trophies
If i don't go I will miss the people who sit by me and have a laugh with.
Your username suggests you've been around for a long time, and yet you consider the current crop of players to be very average?
Did you miss the second half of the 1980s, most of the 90s through until about 2007, and every year since 2010?
Avg 1st/premier league position since 1964 = 11th
So not even very average really ...
Post by: Flin5tone on May 04, 2022, 03:53:22 PM
Post by: bas_avfc on May 04, 2022, 03:53:55 PM
Post by: Flin5tone on May 04, 2022, 04:04:54 PM
There is one but there's no way 24,000 who would pay up. They have used this tactic to up the prices.
No early purchase discount, no zone 5/6.
Never expected it to be this bad but the club has simply lost touch with reality
Post by: Steve67 on May 04, 2022, 04:25:18 PM
The waiting list is never genuine
There is one but there's no way 24,000 who would pay up. They have used this tactic to up the prices.
No early purchase discount, no zone 5/6.
Never expected it to be this bad but the club has simply lost touch with reality
Yeah, they are also telling lies about the stadium update too eh? Jeez!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 04, 2022, 04:33:15 PM
My wife asked me about the prices for next season's season ticket (I sit in the lower Holte) i mentioned it will be £600+, she just gave me the look.
As every summer for the past 40 years, i am undecided?
After 40 years of marriage it's probably best to stick with her.
Post by: chrisw1 on May 04, 2022, 04:38:01 PM
I haven't checked many, but for example
Everton is £535 (or £465 for an adult in the family enclosure)
West Ham - £299 in band 6 and £335 in band 5
Wolves - £549 (in 21/22)
Crystal Palace £495
Chelsea - £750 (in 21/22) and £595 in family stand
Brighton - £545
Newcastle - £600 (in 21/22) and £417 in family stand
Spurs - £807
So it's pretty clear we are towards the lower end of the spectrum. Not much consolation for those hardest hit I know but if we want to be competitive I guess this was inevitable at some point.
Post by: Max Villan on May 04, 2022, 04:55:40 PM
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on May 04, 2022, 04:59:28 PM
Post by: DB on May 04, 2022, 05:10:49 PM
£370 in L8 last year now £531 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: astonvilla82 on May 04, 2022, 05:12:41 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 04, 2022, 05:18:34 PM
Post by: Ads on May 04, 2022, 05:27:34 PM
The waiting list is never genuine
There is one but there's no way 24,000 who would pay up. They have used this tactic to up the prices.
No early purchase discount, no zone 5/6.
Never expected it to be this bad but the club has simply lost touch with reality
Yeah, they are also telling lies about the stadium update too eh? Jeez!
I'm as guilty of this as anybody, but he's just an ultra tedious troll who is best ignored.
Post by: Chris Harte on May 04, 2022, 05:29:04 PM
If I paid £483 this season and me dad (OAP) paid £270, what are we paying next year please? I assume we are the cheapest tier, or have I got it wrong?Looks that way. You would have been zone 4 for this season and presumably the same for this, meaning £531 & £345 respectively.
Post by: KNVillan on May 04, 2022, 05:30:53 PM
https://twitter.com/avfcsupport/status/1521881283424669696?s=21&t=ODya5vaAC3Z4AV7XPdTxgQ
As part of our opening day for 22/23 season ticket renewals, the club will be holding an hour long Q&A session on this account from 5pm today.
@AVFCSupport with your question using #AVFCRenewals and we will answer as many as we can.
Post by: Chris Harte on May 04, 2022, 05:31:00 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on May 04, 2022, 05:34:14 PM
If I paid £483 this season and me dad (OAP) paid £270, what are we paying next year please? I assume we are the cheapest tier, or have I got it wrong?If you were £483 you were Zone 4, the new Zone 4 price is £531 (I don't think any Zone 4 areas have changed to Zone 5). OAP price in Z4 is now £345
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/may/04/aston-villa-season-tickets-2022-23/
Post by: chrisw1 on May 04, 2022, 05:40:32 PM
How much more competitive will we be by making an extra few million on increased ticket prices?I think it's down to revenue and FFP etc.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 04, 2022, 05:50:11 PM
Post by: Chris Smith on May 04, 2022, 06:00:49 PM
I've gone from zone 3 to zone 2. A jump of 18%, or over a hundred quid. I now have to give renewal some thought.
Same for us, £102 rise seems excessive.
Post by: chrisw1 on May 04, 2022, 06:01:28 PM
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These are the old Zones 2021-22
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The main changes are lower North and middle of lower Holte, with a few others - back few rows of upper North, L1, L8 and part of K1 in the Holte and a small section of B7 in the Trinity.
Post by: chrisw1 on May 04, 2022, 06:06:55 PM
It's a big rise, but they are some of the best seats in the ground.I've gone from zone 3 to zone 2. A jump of 18%, or over a hundred quid. I now have to give renewal some thought.
Same for us, £102 rise seems excessive.
K2 & K6 now seem to be the only Zone 3 seats left in the ground so I reckon there will be more shuffling next season.
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on May 04, 2022, 06:08:10 PM
Which kidney do I sell to renew???
Post by: astonvilla82 on May 04, 2022, 06:16:07 PM
kept contacting son and me last year saying as he was on the list he could apply for season ticket,by this time he already had oneThe waiting list is never genuine
There is one but there's no way 24,000 who would pay up. They have used this tactic to up the prices.
No early purchase discount, no zone 5/6.
Never expected it to be this bad but the club has simply lost touch with reality
Yeah, they are also telling lies about the stadium update too eh? Jeez!
I'm as guilty of this as anybody, but he's just an ultra tedious troll who is best ignored.
Post by: Chris Harte on May 04, 2022, 06:18:47 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on May 04, 2022, 06:20:28 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 04, 2022, 06:21:12 PM
I've a feeling the 24,000 season ticket waiting list won't be 24,000 next season.
It will be higher, just to annoy Wilma.
Post by: Chris Harte on May 04, 2022, 06:25:17 PM
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Post by: Chris Harte on May 04, 2022, 06:27:17 PM
Post by: amfy on May 04, 2022, 06:31:27 PM
I note the Website doesnt have last seasons prices on it, probably for the best as I’ve changed zones and the kids one is also more expensive. Ah well, I’d only be found jobs around the house to do if I didn’t renew.
They have said that anyone who is hit by more than one increase (e.g. zone change and concession change) would have the increase capped at 50%. I am not sure what this means in real life.
Apparently 1161 fans are affected by these ‘multiple hits’ & they looked at these in detail at th me request if the FCG
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on May 04, 2022, 06:31:38 PM
I'm not really bothered what other clubs are charging. A 43% increase along with other cost of living rises is huge.
I'm guessing this is just the start and that zones 3 & 4 will be merged with zones 1 and 2 in future years with equally hefty increases. All in the pursuit of the so-called top 6 clubs and the "tourist" fans they attract leaving some real supporters out priced and beyond reach of live football at the ground.
Post by: amfy on May 04, 2022, 06:35:54 PM
I do feel for people with the biggest price hike from 5/6 to 4. I wonder, how doe our cheapest non-concession adult ticket (£531) compares to other PL clubs?
I haven't checked many, but for example
Everton is £535 (or £465 for an adult in the family enclosure)
West Ham - £299 in band 6 and £335 in band 5
Wolves - £549 (in 21/22)
Crystal Palace £495
Chelsea - £750 (in 21/22) and £595 in family stand
Brighton - £545
Newcastle - £600 (in 21/22) and £417 in family stand
Spurs - £807
So it's pretty clear we are towards the lower end of the spectrum. Not much consolation for those hardest hit I know but if we want to be competitive I guess this was inevitable at some point.
This is very much the basis on which they feel they need to raise the prices as they have - to pull into line with the bottom end of the Premier League pricing structure. Our concessions were also generally about 10% more than other clubs and this has been reduced to about 5% better - still better, but not as far out.
when we get into silly money for players and from sky, it gets easy to think a few million doesn’t really matter, but of course it has to.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 04, 2022, 06:47:29 PM
My wife asked me about the prices for next season's season ticket (I sit in the lower Holte) i mentioned it will be £600+, she just gave me the look.
As every summer for the past 40 years, i am undecided?
After 40 years of marriage it's probably best to stick with her.
Boom boom
Post by: chrisw1 on May 04, 2022, 06:53:11 PM
£161 increase for me (43.5% rise following a meh season!)I have massive sympathy with the situation, but it's easy to say you're not really bothered what other clubs are charging - I guess you are bothered about us competing with them on the pitch for league places and trophys, for securing the best talent both in the academy and for the first team etc etc.
I'm not really bothered what other clubs are charging. A 43% increase along with other cost of living rises is huge.
I'm guessing this is just the start and that zones 3 & 4 will be merged with zones 1 and 2 in future years with equally hefty increases. All in the pursuit of the so-called top 6 clubs and the "tourist" fans they attract leaving some real supporters out priced and beyond reach of live football at the ground.
Our prices are still cheaper than Wolves, Brighton and Newcastle let alone the elite clubs we're hoping to catch.
There's definitely a valid argument that the PL has ruined English football - it's one I subscribe to myself. But notwithstanding this it's where most fans want us to compete and unfortuantely this is the cost of that. It's a bit shit, but it's the way it is.
Post by: Chris Stares on May 04, 2022, 07:07:28 PM
Yep - ditto x 2I've gone from zone 3 to zone 2. A jump of 18%, or over a hundred quid. I now have to give renewal some thought.
Same for us, £102 rise seems excessive.
Post by: purpletrousers on May 04, 2022, 07:38:18 PM
I did think £3.68 a game was remarkable value, so I guess £5.53 a game doesn’t sound so bad, but still having to think about the cost…
Does anybody know if applying for the credit is a soft check or a hard check that can dent your credit rating? Not liking the sound of the rejections :/
Post by: Ads on May 04, 2022, 07:40:12 PM
Post by: Ad@m on May 04, 2022, 07:47:08 PM
I know none of us want the Villa to be unsuccessful, but I think this is the price of success (even before we've had any!).
Post by: nigel on May 04, 2022, 08:07:04 PM
My rise is £333 to £531!!!
Which kidney do I sell to renew???
Where were you sat?
I thought cheapest last season were £370
Post by: RamboandBruno on May 04, 2022, 08:24:54 PM
10% rise for my Zone 4 adult 483 to £581, but 50% for my under 14 70 to £105 raises the eyebrow..
I did think £3.68 a game was remarkable value, so I guess £5.53 a game doesn’t sound so bad, but still having to think about the cost…
Does anybody know if applying for the credit is a soft check or a hard check that can dent your credit rating? Not liking the sound of the rejections :/
Yep this is me exactly plus another 50% rise for my 15 year old on top. £131 rise in total 20%. Decision to be made really. I normally pay up front but may try and spread the cost this time, if er indoors is ok about us forking out. Works out £41 a game for me and the two kids rather than £34, so when said like that it doesn’t sound too bad really.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 04, 2022, 08:38:02 PM
My rise is £333 to £531!!!
Which kidney do I sell to renew???
Probably depends on whether you were 'Left Side' or 'Right Side'.
Post by: Drummond on May 04, 2022, 08:56:47 PM
My rise is £333 to £531!!!
Which kidney do I sell to renew???
Your wife's?
Post by: richtheholtender on May 04, 2022, 10:36:49 PM
Season ticket prices for this season for PeterWithe:
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Mine is £531 which I can't see in thar price range. Is there an early bird offer or something?
Post by: Ad@m on May 04, 2022, 10:39:17 PM
Season ticket prices for this season for PeterWithe:
(https://i.ibb.co/vQY3FX2/random.png) (https://ibb.co/vQY3FX2)
Mine is £531 which I can't see in thar price range. Is there an early bird offer or something?
These are the 21/22 season ticket prices.
Post by: Dave P on May 04, 2022, 10:39:53 PM
Season ticket prices for this season for PeterWithe:
(https://i.ibb.co/vQY3FX2/random.png) (https://ibb.co/vQY3FX2)
Mine is £531 which I can't see in thar price range. Is there an early bird offer or something?
It’s £531 for next season. Those are the prices for this season.
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on May 04, 2022, 10:40:12 PM
Season ticket prices for this season for PeterWithe:
(https://i.ibb.co/vQY3FX2/random.png) (https://ibb.co/vQY3FX2)
Mine is £531 which I can't see in thar price range. Is there an early bird offer or something?
I think those are last years
Post by: Chris Harte on May 04, 2022, 10:40:19 PM
No early-bird. Those are this season's prices, not next season's.Season ticket prices for this season for PeterWithe:
(https://i.ibb.co/vQY3FX2/random.png) (https://ibb.co/vQY3FX2)
Mine is £531 which I can't see in thar price range. Is there an early bird offer or something?
Post by: richtheholtender on May 04, 2022, 11:01:07 PM
Post by: AV82EC on May 04, 2022, 11:09:21 PM
Post by: sid1964 on May 05, 2022, 06:40:57 AM
I don't sit in my seat as we have to stand throughout the game as the people in the row in front of us stand (would I be due a reduction for a standing season ticket)
Just been on the website, it seems as though they are doing you a favour by letting you have your ST so cheaply!
Post by: Clampy on May 05, 2022, 07:23:56 AM
£677 - wow, that is an increase, i wonder how many of our current 30,000 ST holders will not re-new?
I don't sit in my seat as we have to stand throughout the game as the people in the row in front of us stand (would I be due a reduction for a standing season ticket)
Just been on the website, it seems as though they are doing you a favour by letting you have your ST so cheaply!
Is it not cheaper in the Meldrew section?
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on May 05, 2022, 07:38:11 AM
Post by: Scratchins on May 05, 2022, 09:49:02 AM
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 05, 2022, 09:51:20 AM
I’m struggling to understand why there is a price jump for kids who are turning 14? I could understand 18 or even possibly 16, but 14 year olds aren’t earning an income are they?
The club believe under-14 tickets are too cheap now so they've reduced the concession rate.
Post by: Dave P on May 05, 2022, 11:11:11 AM
Anyone else having problems paying for season tickets by card?
I've got an error when buying online. Myself (adult), my Dad (over 66) and my daughter (under 14) can't buy together as, and I quote, an Under 14 ticket but be purchased with an adult ticket. Banging my head as there are two adults trying to renew as well.
Post by: PGW on May 05, 2022, 11:11:50 AM
Just done the FCG - season ticket prices tba in the next couple of days, and on sale from then too with a renewal window to 8/6/22 & relocations from 13/6/22.Amfy, Did the club mention changing the criteria for Disabled ST holders with a Personal Assistant, as yesterday i went to renew mine and my PA's tickets only for
Prices set to rise 10% overall. After consultation with the fan group they have put a cap on the compound rise for those affected by several different factors (e.g if your seat is going to a higher zone and your are in a concession bracket where the discount is shifting).
As I wasn’t at the last meeting I’m not clear on which zones are changing price level - but not long to wait! Restricted view seats will still have a 10% discount against other tickets in the same area.
Overall, the concession discounts in the past have been much better than for other clubs and are generally still better discounts but with the gap reduced. E.g. - an u14 ticket had a discount of 83% which has now shifted to 78% against a Premier League average of 73%. If an u14 is in a seat where the zone is being changed, the overall rise will be capped.
In the case of families they will either cap the price rise for the family ticket, or the discount applied to an individual in that family, whichever is more advantageous to the family if there is a compound rise.
The senior concession is moving from age 65 to 66. It was going to be 67 but on consultation they recognised that this was an awkward anomaly for anyone who is currently 66!
On the day of the announcement they will be putting extra senior staff on AVFCsupport on Twitter to answer any questions arising from the announcement.
The waiting list is still going up and is now over 24,000!
They also said 10,000 people have responded to the North Stand redevelopment survey but would like as many as possible to respond to get the best possible picture before final submissions to planning.
the club to refuse my PA. Managed to speak to Anthony, the disability officer who told me that the new criteria has gone up from Standard PIP benefit up to Enhanced.
This has totally shocked me i must confess, i had no idea this change was coming, if i'd had prior notice i would have tried to get my case reviewed by relevant authorities.
Got no chance of doing that by the 8th June, which from memory is deadline day for renewals.
Were you or anyone on the FCG aware of this as i believe the club has brought this in through the back door.
At my age and time served maybe it's time to give up but i would have liked it to have been my choice, it certainly wouldn't have been next season.
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on May 05, 2022, 11:40:57 AM
I'm in L1 Lower Holte in the corner with a restricted view. The previous price was also based on early birding while in the Championship, I think. I need to double check: I only saw the new season price plan for the whole ground before I went into shock.My rise is £333 to £531!!!
Which kidney do I sell to renew???
Where were you sat?
I thought cheapest last season were £370
BTW, that's shocking about the PIP change PGW, it's hard enough to get an award for that in the first place, despite what the media say. I wonder if the club has looked at the Disability Discrimination Act.
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 05, 2022, 11:44:55 AM
Could be worse. Just been to my sons training. Cheapest tickets my mates are being quoted are £400 for the European Cup final.one of the blokes is being told he has to cough up £7000 via non-normal routes. Yikes.
Not at all shocked at the prices of tickets .... more shocked that you have "mates" ;) (joke)
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 05, 2022, 11:47:20 AM
Post by: Flin5tone on May 05, 2022, 12:30:08 PM
Imagine if Doug Ellis pulled a stunt like this sitting 13th in the table. Be absolute uproar.
I remember the protest days and people gathering in sports halls to protest when we were sitting 8th with very reasonably priced season tickets.
Huge backlash across social media but the club won't care, purslow is like our current Tory Government,it's like they enjoy seeing the working class suffer
Post by: amfy on May 05, 2022, 12:31:37 PM
Just done the FCG - season ticket prices tba in the next couple of days, and on sale from then too with a renewal window to 8/6/22 & relocations from 13/6/22.Amfy, Did the club mention changing the criteria for Disabled ST holders with a Personal Assistant, as yesterday i went to renew mine and my PA's tickets only for
Prices set to rise 10% overall. After consultation with the fan group they have put a cap on the compound rise for those affected by several different factors (e.g if your seat is going to a higher zone and your are in a concession bracket where the discount is shifting).
As I wasn’t at the last meeting I’m not clear on which zones are changing price level - but not long to wait! Restricted view seats will still have a 10% discount against other tickets in the same area.
Overall, the concession discounts in the past have been much better than for other clubs and are generally still better discounts but with the gap reduced. E.g. - an u14 ticket had a discount of 83% which has now shifted to 78% against a Premier League average of 73%. If an u14 is in a seat where the zone is being changed, the overall rise will be capped.
In the case of families they will either cap the price rise for the family ticket, or the discount applied to an individual in that family, whichever is more advantageous to the family if there is a compound rise.
The senior concession is moving from age 65 to 66. It was going to be 67 but on consultation they recognised that this was an awkward anomaly for anyone who is currently 66!
On the day of the announcement they will be putting extra senior staff on AVFCsupport on Twitter to answer any questions arising from the announcement.
The waiting list is still going up and is now over 24,000!
They also said 10,000 people have responded to the North Stand redevelopment survey but would like as many as possible to respond to get the best possible picture before final submissions to planning.
the club to refuse my PA. Managed to speak to Anthony, the disability officer who told me that the new criteria has gone up from Standard PIP benefit up to Enhanced.
This has totally shocked me i must confess, i had no idea this change was coming, if i'd had prior notice i would have tried to get my case reviewed by relevant authorities.
Got no chance of doing that by the 8th June, which from memory is deadline day for renewals.
Were you or anyone on the FCG aware of this as i believe the club has brought this in through the back door.
At my age and time served maybe it's time to give up but i would have liked it to have been my choice, it certainly wouldn't have been next season.
I was surprised that it wasn’t mentioned as I am aware of the controversy around it because even those who have known for a while have felt it was a short timescale to sort this out.
Joanne McKibbens from the AVDSA was present and didn’t say anything so I presumed this had been discussed at a previous meeting. I am aware that there has been a strong feeling that there should have been a season’s notice for this measure, not brought in for this renewal window which left people with very little time to resolve it.
Are you able to contact this group to see what the response from the club has been regarding concerns? I’m sorry I didn’t ask about it, but I did think it must have been answered previously when Joanne didn’t mention it.
Dave W went to the last meeting and so he might be able to shed some light on this?
Post by: exigo on May 05, 2022, 12:39:36 PM
But what does grind my gears is that the bloke sitting two seats to my right in L2 now pays £140 less – two price zones cheaper, rather than £70 less – one zone cheaper. It's really hard to justify why I'm paying that much more for essentially the same view, with the same lack of service on the concourse and endless queues at half time. Even if the club had come out and said 'this is the new 16 pint pouring machines we're installing', it would have made it a bit more palatable. I'd much rather cough up extra cash for *my* matchday experience, than feel I'm just helping the club through FFP while paying the players an absolute barrowful of cash every week for another crap performance.
Post by: amfy on May 05, 2022, 12:51:06 PM
As someone in L3, I knew I was going to get clobbered with a 10+% increase. Bit annoyed by the 18% hit in the end, but that's still around £35.60 per game if we don't get a home cup game (as is tradition), or £33.85 if we do. Which is pretty comparable to the £30 away ticket cap.
But what does grind my gears is that the bloke sitting two seats to my right in L2 now pays £140 less – two price zones cheaper, rather than £70 less – one zone cheaper. It's really hard to justify why I'm paying that much more for essentially the same view, with the same lack of service on the concourse and endless queues at half time. Even if the club had come out and said 'this is the new 16 pint pouring machines we're installing', it would have made it a bit more palatable. I'd much rather cough up extra cash for *my* matchday experience, than feel I'm just helping the club through FFP while paying the players an absolute barrowful of cash every week for another crap performance.
Just for info - the first home cup game is included.
I also wish for a multi pint pourer - I know they’re expensive as an outlay, but they do enough business to justify it, or could do if they had one.
Post by: LeeB on May 05, 2022, 01:14:03 PM
Post by: Flin5tone on May 05, 2022, 01:25:53 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on May 05, 2022, 01:44:26 PM
As someone in L3, I knew I was going to get clobbered with a 10+% increase. Bit annoyed by the 18% hit in the end, but that's still around £35.60 per game if we don't get a home cup game (as is tradition), or £33.85 if we do. Which is pretty comparable to the £30 away ticket cap.Perhaps now it will cost alot more fans might not accept crappy performances so much
But what does grind my gears is that the bloke sitting two seats to my right in L2 now pays £140 less – two price zones cheaper, rather than £70 less – one zone cheaper. It's really hard to justify why I'm paying that much more for essentially the same view, with the same lack of service on the concourse and endless queues at half time. Even if the club had come out and said 'this is the new 16 pint pouring machines we're installing', it would have made it a bit more palatable. I'd much rather cough up extra cash for *my* matchday experience, than feel I'm just helping the club through FFP while paying the players an absolute barrowful of cash every week for another crap performance.
Post by: astonvilla82 on May 05, 2022, 01:56:48 PM
I in L1, restricted view from 333 to 470?,I'm in L1 Lower Holte in the corner with a restricted view. The previous price was also based on early birding while in the Championship, I think. I need to double check: I only saw the new season price plan for the whole ground before I went into shock.My rise is £333 to £531!!!
Which kidney do I sell to renew???
Where were you sat?
I thought cheapest last season were £370
BTW, that's shocking about the PIP change PGW, it's hard enough to get an award for that in the first place, despite what the media say. I wonder if the club has looked at the Disability Discrimination Act.
Post by: Drummond on May 05, 2022, 02:03:57 PM
Even with a multi pint pourer they would get it wrong. If they want to 'simplify' things start with the catering. Stop pouring bottles/cans into PLASTIC cups. Just give the can out or a plastic bottle like before it's absolutely ridiculous
Or better still, give you an intravenous drip.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 05, 2022, 02:08:21 PM
Andy & PGW - the disabled question has not to my knowledge been raised at an FCG.
Post by: Ad@m on May 05, 2022, 03:16:35 PM
Just an extra £185 for me, ho hum. I'll pay it, but it will take some sweet talking and lots of extra odd jobs and tasks as a result.
Maybe I'm a scaredy-cat but there's absolutely no way I'll be telling SWMBO that my season ticket is going up by more than a ton!
Post by: Risso on May 05, 2022, 03:27:50 PM
Just an extra £185 for me, ho hum. I'll pay it, but it will take some sweet talking and lots of extra odd jobs and tasks as a result.
Maybe I'm a scaredy-cat but there's absolutely no way I'll be telling SWMBO that my season ticket is going up by more than a ton!
"Hardly anything, a tenner a game is all, love."
Post by: simon ward 50 on May 05, 2022, 03:40:24 PM
Post by: Ads on May 05, 2022, 08:16:37 PM
Absolute disgrace
Imagine if Doug Ellis pulled a stunt like this sitting 13th in the table. Be absolute uproar.
I remember the protest days and people gathering in sports halls to protest when we were sitting 8th with very reasonably priced season tickets.
Huge backlash across social media but the club won't care, purslow is like our current Tory Government,it's like they enjoy seeing the working class suffer
You haven't got one anyway, you told us last year, so why are you bothered?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 05, 2022, 08:30:57 PM
disgrace
*downs shot
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 05, 2022, 08:39:57 PM
Absolute disgrace
Imagine if Doug Ellis pulled a stunt like this sitting 13th in the table. Be absolute uproar.
I remember the protest days and people gathering in sports halls to protest when we were sitting 8th with very reasonably priced season tickets.
Huge backlash across social media but the club won't care, purslow is like our current Tory Government,it's like they enjoy seeing the working class suffer
You haven't got one anyway, you told us last year, so why are you bothered?
He's probably wanking into a mug and having an emotional moment whilst watching the Rangers match at the moment.
Post by: Skerra on May 06, 2022, 02:34:00 PM
Post by: Ads on May 06, 2022, 02:41:46 PM
Or perhaps higher prices, as they're not high in context of our peers, who are also doing the same thing with the same ambitions. "What difference does an extra £4m make?", well taken singularly, not a lot. But when your closet rival is doing it, then its the possibility to gild wages for 2 more players that we may not have the budget for.
I'd love it to be cheap, Bayern Munich style. But we're not the 1 horse in the 1 horse show like they are. Suck it up we must.
Post by: chrisw1 on May 06, 2022, 03:14:35 PM
We are still cheaper than Wolves, Brighton and Crystal Palace. So yes, it's a bit shit, but I don't see how it's a disgrace.
Post by: Dr Butler on May 06, 2022, 03:29:30 PM
disgrace
*downs shot
LOL....;)
UTV
The Doc
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on May 06, 2022, 03:42:27 PM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on May 06, 2022, 04:43:06 PM
My own 43% increase compared to some at 10% seems unfair and in some respects represents a value statement, when the club are also at pains to highlight there's 24k on the waiting list.
Other clubs can charge what they want and if I supported those clubs I'd think their charges would be wrong also. As for the argument that if we charge more we'll be in a better position to challenge the top 6 or 8 for players and points. I'd be more convinced by this argument if we hadn't spent £95m last summer on players currently struggling to make the 1st 11 and with Coutinho and Digne added to the squad we had done better than 1 point from 8 games against teams in the top 8 since last November.
Post by: exigo on May 06, 2022, 05:00:32 PM
As someone in L3, I knew I was going to get clobbered with a 10+% increase. Bit annoyed by the 18% hit in the end, but that's still around £35.60 per game if we don't get a home cup game (as is tradition), or £33.85 if we do. Which is pretty comparable to the £30 away ticket cap.
But what does grind my gears is that the bloke sitting two seats to my right in L2 now pays £140 less – two price zones cheaper, rather than £70 less – one zone cheaper. It's really hard to justify why I'm paying that much more for essentially the same view, with the same lack of service on the concourse and endless queues at half time. Even if the club had come out and said 'this is the new 16 pint pouring machines we're installing', it would have made it a bit more palatable. I'd much rather cough up extra cash for *my* matchday experience, than feel I'm just helping the club through FFP while paying the players an absolute barrowful of cash every week for another crap performance.
Just for info - the first home cup game is included.
I also wish for a multi pint pourer - I know they’re expensive as an outlay, but they do enough business to justify it, or could do if they had one.
Thanks Amfy – yep, I know that the first home cup game is included. It's just that it's been included for years now without an actual game to go to.
So, if we don't actually have a home cup game free, the effective price of the season ticket is divided by just the 19 Prem games, not the 19+1 cup game.
The thing with the multi-pint pour machines, is that we know that Villa have tested them. The company was on LinkedIn showing it somewhere inside the Trinity – it's the little things like that that would make loads of people think 'at least the matchday experience will be better next year'.
Edit: and here it is: LinkedIn linky (https://www.linkedin.com/posts/charlie-hague-994398199_beerjet-fastpour-ugcPost-6887790831500058624-ZcJz?utm_source=linkedin_share&utm_medium=member_desktop_web).
Post by: Chris Harte on May 06, 2022, 09:30:45 PM
The club have to do their part and deliver. We have to have success or at least be on a clear pathway to it or competing for it, to sustain demand at high prices.I thought this had been debunked on here recently with a screenie of their current prices.
Or perhaps higher prices, as they're not high in context of our peers, who are also doing the same thing with the same ambitions. "What difference does an extra £4m make?", well taken singularly, not a lot. But when your closet rival is doing it, then its the possibility to gild wages for 2 more players that we may not have the budget for.
I'd love it to be cheap, Bayern Munich style. But we're not the 1 horse in the 1 horse show like they are. Suck it up we must.
Post by: PGW on May 08, 2022, 11:48:09 AM
To avoid a quotathon.Cheers Dave
Andy & PGW - the disabled question has not to my knowledge been raised at an FCG.
Post by: john e on May 08, 2022, 12:59:53 PM
I’ve renewed but is there still opportunity to move seats at a later date
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 08, 2022, 01:00:42 PM
Post by: Pete3206 on May 08, 2022, 01:12:10 PM
Post by: luke95 on May 08, 2022, 01:28:01 PM
Post by: spangley1812 on May 08, 2022, 01:33:54 PM
There is a small section of padded seats in the Upper North , does anybody know if these are open to anyone or are they hospitality seats only ?
They are open to anyone...4 of my friends sit there, its a great view
Post by: john e on May 08, 2022, 01:47:37 PM
The relocation window is 13th to 16th June.
Thanks
Post by: levico on May 08, 2022, 06:28:53 PM
Any ideas how I can remedy this?
Post by: Dave Javu on May 10, 2022, 10:47:45 AM
Post by: LeeB on May 10, 2022, 10:51:55 AM
A bit OT, but can anyone explain to me or point me in the right direction on how to re-assign an existing season ticket to another person for one match (tonight) online, because I've already been on hold on the telephone to the ticket office for what seems like forever.
Personally I'd just hand the ticket over them, it's never caused me an issue
Post by: Dave Javu on May 10, 2022, 11:46:15 AM
Post by: levico on May 10, 2022, 11:54:54 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on May 10, 2022, 12:01:48 PM
A bit OT, but can anyone explain to me or point me in the right direction on how to re-assign an existing season ticket to another person for one match (tonight) online, because I've already been on hold on the telephone to the ticket office for what seems like forever.
Personally I'd just hand the ticket over them, it's never caused me an issue
Same here. And if they found out and fined me for it I'd never darken the doors again.
Post by: aldridgeboy on May 10, 2022, 12:49:23 PM
Wierdly , they didn’t just re activate my season card, but have sent me an E ticket.
But these account is quick , and they are very helpful.
Other, games I’ve just given my card to whosever is going and it’s never been an issue
Post by: levico on May 10, 2022, 05:24:17 PM
Hugely expensive but someone’s got to pay PC’s wages.
Post by: spangley1812 on May 12, 2022, 05:18:29 PM
Anybody know if the ticket office is open for fans to attend in person?
Only on match days mate.......its open about 3 hours before kick off
Post by: eamonn on May 12, 2022, 06:40:07 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 12, 2022, 08:39:21 PM
Post by: Villafirst on May 13, 2022, 07:09:30 AM
Finally got through after almost an hour. There is no way to do it online. What a palaver.
Yes, agree. The ticket office can't cope with the demand. You shouldn't have to wait nearly one hour. Why can't they open the ticket office in the week to attend in person? And disappointing that you can't do it online - why not?
Post by: purpletrousers on May 14, 2022, 02:01:20 AM
I did it for the original Burnley game via the Twitter AVFC support. Only because the friend I was giving to was too far for me physically give it him. They’ve just re-allocated it to me as I can now go to the new date.
Wierdly , they didn’t just re activate my season card, but have sent me an E ticket.
But these account is quick , and they are very helpful.
Other, games I’ve just given my card to whosever is going and it’s never been an issue
Yep they are v efficient. I leave a Twitter DM at night it’s done in the first hour or two if business the next morning. One tip with their Twitter dm is don’t keep messaging them as it puts you back down to the bottom of the queue as they deal with oldest messages first.
I just make sure I send them all the info they need in one message and works a treat
Post by: andyh on May 14, 2022, 06:23:49 AM
Post by: Skerra on May 14, 2022, 04:45:13 PM
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on May 17, 2022, 10:19:14 PM
Lady I eventually got through to on phone in the ticket office (well, working from home ) didn't seem surprised , apparently its a "new system".
I miss the days when I used to pop to ticket office in my lunch hour !
Post by: Chris Harte on May 17, 2022, 10:32:41 PM
Renewed online…took 2 mins !Same, remarkably fast. Assuming you did it online too.
Tried to renew online. Got to payment stage, did the bank one time passcode thing , all fine then directed back to AVFC website where I got an error message. Payment sat on my bank account as pending (therefore not able to be spent !) , club say transaction not gone through and I need to do it again. Bank say not to do that as funds can be taken by AVFC anytime now. Both parties say nothing to be done until the hold is taken off the money in 7-10 days.I had that happen once while booking a holiday with a now out of business holiday company. It was about three grand tied up. Most annoying. But say you'd been renewing for multiple people - It could have been a similar amout tied up. I'm sure it'll resolve, but it's still frustrating.
Lady I eventually got through to on phone in the ticket office (well, working from home ) didn't seem surprised , apparently its a "new system".
I miss the days when I used to pop to ticket office in my lunch hour !
Post by: Flin5tone on May 19, 2022, 10:45:15 AM
Sitting 14th in the league and people struggling to pay their essential bills may well have put many off.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 19, 2022, 10:47:47 AM
Had a few emails and messages to renew and normally the club are boasting about how many season passes have been sold in 'record time' so it certainly looks like they have got this totally wrong in the current climate and may well regret targeting the less well off and families.
Sitting 14th in the league and people struggling to pay their essential bills may well have put many off.
Good Morning Sunshine !!
Post by: colin69 on May 19, 2022, 12:34:21 PM
Post by: Drummond on May 19, 2022, 01:06:09 PM
Had a few emails and messages to renew and normally the club are boasting about how many season passes have been sold in 'record time' so it certainly looks like they have got this totally wrong in the current climate and may well regret targeting the less well off and families.
Sitting 14th in the league and people struggling to pay their essential bills may well have put many off.
Have you been put off?
Post by: amfy on May 19, 2022, 01:16:03 PM
Had a few emails and messages to renew and normally the club are boasting about how many season passes have been sold in 'record time' so it certainly looks like they have got this totally wrong in the current climate and may well regret targeting the less well off and families.
Sitting 14th in the league and people struggling to pay their essential bills may well have put many off.
I’ve had these and today I’ve had a letter about renewing, but I, like I am sure many others, are waiting til May payday. The club deliberately ensured that the renewal window included an end of month, and will be well aware that many will choose to do it then. I’ve pretty much always renewed late and the level of communication is the same as any other year.
Post by: WassallVillain on May 19, 2022, 01:22:53 PM
Had a few emails and messages to renew and normally the club are boasting about how many season passes have been sold in 'record time' so it certainly looks like they have got this totally wrong in the current climate and may well regret targeting the less well off and families.
Sitting 14th in the league and people struggling to pay their essential bills may well have put many off.
I’ve had these and today I’ve had a letter about renewing, but I, like I am sure many others, are waiting til May payday. The club deliberately ensured that the renewal window included an end of month, and will be well aware that many will choose to do it then. I’ve pretty much always renewed late and the level of communication is the same as any other year.
Agreed. Got my first email yesterday and a postal reminder today. All normal as previous years
Post by: Flin5tone on May 19, 2022, 01:58:50 PM
By now club would be boasting about speedy sales. They've 100% targeted the less well off for their own greed. They want them out and replaced by big spenders
Post by: Skerra on May 19, 2022, 02:05:07 PM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on May 19, 2022, 02:08:28 PM
Had the letter today also which reads exactly the same as the email. What a pointless waste of paper,money and terrible for the environment.
By now club would be boasting about speedy sales. They've 100% targeted the less well off for their own greed. They want them out and replaced by big spenders
Question for you Fin5toner - Have you ever said anything positive on this forum? The club send ONE renewal letter out in a year, which would undoubtedly benefit the older, less computer literate amongst us, and you think they're responsible for global warming!?
I do question whether you're a fan at times, or a Bluenose here on the windup?
Post by: chrisw1 on May 19, 2022, 02:12:28 PM
Had the letter today also which reads exactly the same as the email. What a pointless waste of paper,money and terrible for the environment.It's not about greed, it's about increasing revenue so we can compete where most of our fans want us to compete. We still have some of the cheapest ST in the PL. Given our spending is amongst the highest in the PL, the current prices were clearly never going to be sustainable.
By now club would be boasting about speedy sales. They've 100% targeted the less well off for their own greed. They want them out and replaced by big spenders
Post by: chrisw1 on May 19, 2022, 02:15:32 PM
This is a good point, imagine some fans missed a renewal dealdline as they hadn't been contatcted by the club? What a dIsGrAcE that would be. Our resident under a bridge dweller would be fuming.Had the letter today also which reads exactly the same as the email. What a pointless waste of paper,money and terrible for the environment.
By now club would be boasting about speedy sales. They've 100% targeted the less well off for their own greed. They want them out and replaced by big spenders
Question for you Fin5toner - Have you ever said anything positive on this forum? The club send ONE renewal letter out in a year, which would undoubtedly benefit the older, less computer literate amongst us, and you think they're responsible for global warming!?
Post by: Flin5tone on May 19, 2022, 02:22:49 PM
A gradual rise £100/£100 over two seasons would have been easier to take but they've literally targeted those in the cheapest seats and hit them hard, it's practically impossible for many families in these areas to renew, to call me a bluenose for wanting fair prices is ridiculous.
If you can afford £650 in the Trinity for instance a 10% increase is easier to swallow but £200 for those in the cheapest 'zone' is not.
The absolute crap about wanting to make the zones more simple is an insult . I'm sure most people can cope with looking at 5 or 6 price categories without getting all confused
Post by: Risso on May 19, 2022, 02:23:37 PM
Although when they go down he'll probably be able to get it back no problem!
Post by: Flin5tone on May 19, 2022, 02:24:28 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 19, 2022, 03:06:28 PM
Because they really care about our older fans don't they? Another group that has been targeted with the rises.
What should they have done, load all the increase onto the under 65's perhaps?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 19, 2022, 03:18:35 PM
Because they really care about our older fans don't they? Another group that has been targeted with the rises.
Take a hundred lines.
It's about turnover not wealth.
Post by: chrisw1 on May 19, 2022, 04:09:02 PM
Or ask people in non means tested Z1-4 seats to continue to disproportionately subsidise people in non-means tested Z5-6 seats? For all I know some fucker in the lower North Stand earns more than me but he sits there as he likes doing wanker signs at opposition fans all game or prefers to keep more of his money back for a few extra lines of charlie on his night out.Because they really care about our older fans don't they? Another group that has been targeted with the rises.
What should they have done, load all the increase onto the under 65's perhaps?
Perhaps balancing disproprtionately subsidised seats helps keep the price rises to a minimum for someone with 4 family seats in Zone 3 or 4?
I get it's not ideal and some who can't afford it will be hit hardest, but it's not black and white. And as stated many times, our cheapest tickets ares still some of the cheapest PL tickets available.
Post by: amfy on May 20, 2022, 02:21:31 PM
Had the letter today also which reads exactly the same as the email. What a pointless waste of paper,money and terrible for the environment.
By now club would be boasting about speedy sales. They've 100% targeted the less well off for their own greed. They want them out and replaced by big spenders
They used to boast about speedy sales when we were selling more than previous years, we won’t sell more than previous years this time because we are already at the ceiling.
Post by: Skerra on May 20, 2022, 07:10:56 PM
Post by: Flin5tone on May 20, 2022, 07:37:47 PM
It's very clear with the bombardment and how quiet the club are regarding sales that there's a BIG slump in renewals. I have a feeling they are regretting targeting those in the cheap seats with a £200+ increase
They're as bad as Jamie Oliver trying to scrap meal deals and food offers at this moment in time. People like him and Purslow are immensely out of touch with the man on the street.
Post by: Flin5tone on May 20, 2022, 07:45:06 PM
Post by: Clampy on May 20, 2022, 07:45:48 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 20, 2022, 07:55:20 PM
Just spotted another one come through saying you can spread the payment over eight months.
The bastards!
Post by: Clampy on May 20, 2022, 07:57:44 PM
Just spotted another one come through saying you can spread the payment over eight months.
What's wrong with that?
Post by: Ads on May 20, 2022, 07:58:16 PM
Don't say that you'll be labelled a conspiracy theorist
It's very clear with the bombardment and how quiet the club are regarding sales that there's a BIG slump in renewals. I have a feeling they are regretting targeting those in the cheap seats with a £200+ increase
They're as bad as Jamie Oliver trying to scrap meal deals and food offers at this moment in time. People like him and Purslow are immensely out of touch with the man on the street.
There is no slump in sales.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on May 20, 2022, 08:01:58 PM
Don't say that you'll be labelled a conspiracy theorist
It's very clear with the bombardment and how quiet the club are regarding sales that there's a BIG slump in renewals. I have a feeling they are regretting targeting those in the cheap seats with a £200+ increase
They're as bad as Jamie Oliver trying to scrap meal deals and food offers at this moment in time. People like him and Purslow are immensely out of touch with the man on the street.
There is no slump in sales.
It's clearly a big issue so will you be renewing?
Post by: Clampy on May 20, 2022, 08:07:06 PM
Twatstones, meet the Twatstones
They're the modern moan age family
From the town of Twatrock
They're a page right out of Disgracee
Post by: Flin5tone on May 20, 2022, 08:08:21 PM
Post by: Clampy on May 20, 2022, 08:11:06 PM
I don't want to renew out of principal but Wilma has said I should
That's not possible. You're Wilma.
Post by: LukeJames on May 20, 2022, 08:27:48 PM
I don't want to renew out of principal but Wilma has said I shouldShe wants you out the fucking house.
Post by: astonvilla82 on May 20, 2022, 09:18:05 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 21, 2022, 12:36:41 AM
I don't want to renew out of principal but Wilma has said I shouldShe wants you out the fucking house.
I assumed that was the joke and he was enjoying a rare moment of self-deprecation. I may be giving him too much credit.
Post by: sid1964 on May 29, 2022, 10:34:48 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 29, 2022, 10:51:55 AM
I don't want to renew out of principal but Wilma has said I should
Deeply held 'principals' clearly.
Post by: Flin5tone on May 31, 2022, 02:29:59 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on May 31, 2022, 02:31:46 PM
b) 'bombarded' ::)
Post by: Flin5tone on May 31, 2022, 02:32:55 PM
Good indication they have made a HUGE mistake
Post by: chrisw1 on May 31, 2022, 02:38:11 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 31, 2022, 02:41:32 PM
They normally brag about record sales etc
You only brag about sales when you want to increase the demand. The demand is there so no point as there's nothing to be gained.
Post by: Clampy on May 31, 2022, 02:45:29 PM
Post by: Lsvilla on May 31, 2022, 03:07:34 PM
Also, a bit gutted I don't seem to be getting bombarded with requests to renew - perhaps they know what I'm up to.
More importantly - Amy sales figures published now would be of virtually no relevance.
Post by: purpletrousers on May 31, 2022, 03:11:20 PM
I haven't renewed my two yet. But 10000% I will. Just waiting for my credit card cut off date to pass in a couple of days time to get an extra month to pay for them. No reason to other than it feels like a small win.
Also, a bit gutted I don't seem to be getting bombarded with requests to renew - perhaps they know what I'm up to.
More importantly - Amy sales figures published now would be of virtually no relevance.
Gosh I wish I’d thought of that :/
My wife had a dream I’d bought football tickets. Annoyingly she tends to have prophetic/knowing dreams. I had to fess up.
Post by: LeeB on May 31, 2022, 03:12:47 PM
It's a disgrace.
Post by: Ads on May 31, 2022, 04:56:55 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 31, 2022, 05:09:47 PM
Post by: Gary Penrice on May 31, 2022, 05:38:28 PM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on May 31, 2022, 05:53:38 PM
Main reason is to lock in that FA Cup final ticket next summer. 😉
Post by: john2710 on May 31, 2022, 06:31:43 PM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on May 31, 2022, 06:38:56 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on May 31, 2022, 08:53:31 PM
I just got a new credit card with 18 months interest free and will pay it off over 12 monthsI haven't renewed my two yet. But 10000% I will. Just waiting for my credit card cut off date to pass in a couple of days time to get an extra month to pay for them. No reason to other than it feels like a small win.
Also, a bit gutted I don't seem to be getting bombarded with requests to renew - perhaps they know what I'm up to.
More importantly - Amy sales figures published now would be of virtually no relevance.
Gosh I wish I’d thought of that :/
My wife had a dream I’d bought football tickets. Annoyingly she tends to have prophetic/knowing dreams. I had to fess up.
Post by: purpletrousers on May 31, 2022, 11:56:23 PM
I just got a new credit card with 18 months interest free and will pay it off over 12 monthsI haven't renewed my two yet. But 10000% I will. Just waiting for my credit card cut off date to pass in a couple of days time to get an extra month to pay for them. No reason to other than it feels like a small win.
Also, a bit gutted I don't seem to be getting bombarded with requests to renew - perhaps they know what I'm up to.
More importantly - Amy sales figures published now would be of virtually no relevance.
Gosh I wish I’d thought of that :/
My wife had a dream I’d bought football tickets. Annoyingly she tends to have prophetic/knowing dreams. I had to fess up.
Yeah let’s not talk about the interest free credit card debt that’s floating around somewhere!
One saving grace is Octopus forgot to send me an end of tariff email so amazingly in a few days I roll onto another 12 months of the same fixed tarrif, which means I keep my 4hrs of 5p/KW wee small hours charging slot for the EV, so still cheap as chips to drive to Brum & back next season.
Post by: sid1964 on June 01, 2022, 05:56:34 AM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 01, 2022, 06:15:32 AM
Post by: amfy on June 01, 2022, 08:59:10 AM
Apparently you can ‘pass’ and stay at the top for 3 seasons before they relegate you to the back of the queue, so we’ll see where we are when we get an offer!
Post by: Lsvilla on June 01, 2022, 09:34:06 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 01, 2022, 09:36:05 AM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on June 01, 2022, 10:00:47 AM
But... there is no waiting list? Wilma told me it was all a conspiracy?I've two nephews have been on the so called waiting list for a while now. Couple of years I think.
For some strange reason I think Wilmas theory might need to be put into the flat earth conspiracy section.
Post by: Pete3206 on June 01, 2022, 10:24:15 AM
But... there is no waiting list? Wilma told me it was all a conspiracy?
Disgrace
Post by: purpletrousers on June 01, 2022, 10:49:49 AM
That was 2/7/21 and the club have told me she is today 12,553 on the waiting list.
I’ve encouraged a few people to be on the waiting list just in case their circumstances change and they can afford/it makes sense to have STs by the time they come to the top, so agree there would be a minority who are less likely to take up, but hope this gives a picture of where things are at…
Do we have any sense of the ‘natural wastage’ of how many don’t renew in recent years?
I’m guessing I’ll be sharing one ST between two little ones for a few years…
Post by: AV82EC on June 01, 2022, 10:56:31 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on June 01, 2022, 11:01:47 AM
So rather embarrassingly it took me about 5 months after her birth to get my youngest on the ST waiting list.Guesswork - but I reckon there will be a turnover of 2k ish each season. Probably more this year because of prices. As for waiting list take up, again guessing but I'd suspect maybe 6-7 out of 10 take up the ticket once offered. The redev will skew things, but I wouldn't be surprised if 12k on the list was at the front of the queue in the next 2 seasons. Once the North is built I think most people who want one will be able to get a ST either immediately or wth a very short wait.
That was 2/7/21 and the club have told me she is today 12,553 on the waiting list.
I’ve encouraged a few people to be on the waiting list just in case their circumstances change and they can afford/it makes sense to have STs by the time they come to the top, so agree there would be a minority who are less likely to take up, but hope this gives a picture of where things are at…
Do we have any sense of the ‘natural wastage’ of how many don’t renew in recent years?
I’m guessing I’ll be sharing one ST between two little ones for a few years…
Post by: purpletrousers on June 01, 2022, 11:03:00 AM
They say
“ There are around 26,000 fans currently on the waiting list.”
So there you go…
Post by: Ads on June 01, 2022, 06:53:06 PM
Utter disgrace.
Post by: TonyD on June 01, 2022, 11:02:18 PM
I just sent another dm message to the Twitter @AVFCSupport26,000. That’s pretty impressive. Jack did more than entertain us, keep us up and give us £100m.
They say
“ There are around 26,000 fans currently on the waiting list.”
So there you go…
Post by: Pete3206 on June 01, 2022, 11:26:25 PM
Everybody knows there's no waiting list and it's actually a conspiracy organised by MONSTER to attack the poor.
Utter disgrace.
Disgraceful
Post by: Flin5tone on June 02, 2022, 01:15:58 PM
-exclusive access to suites and lounges
Where are these ? The Holte Pub looks abandoned , see a few people loitering at the back of it with a Bouncer stood on the Door so have never even bothered to try and Enter?
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 02, 2022, 01:16:38 PM
Post by: Clampy on June 02, 2022, 01:27:49 PM
There are a few you can gain access to, if you try.
Wilma is bored.
Post by: Flin5tone on June 02, 2022, 01:48:05 PM
Just wondering where they are and who can gain access , I know Holte End lower can access the Holte Suite at Half Time but wondering how you go about entering the Holte Pub as it looks closed off, front gates shut , bouncer on the back door and the windows covered in plastic sheeting. Not very inviting at all.
Post by: Clampy on June 02, 2022, 01:52:30 PM
Not really bored.
Just wondering where they are and who can gain access , I know Holte End lower can access the Holte Suite at Half Time but wondering how you go about entering the Holte Pub as it looks closed off, front gates shut , bouncer on the back door and the windows covered in plastic sheeting. Not very inviting at all.
You can access the Holte Suite before and after the game. The front Holte Pub gates have been shut for a while so you access via the back door. Try accessing both.
WIB.
Post by: Ad@m on June 02, 2022, 01:54:00 PM
Not really bored.
Just wondering where they are and who can gain access , I know Holte End lower can access the Holte Suite at Half Time but wondering how you go about entering the Holte Pub as it looks closed off, front gates shut , bouncer on the back door and the windows covered in plastic sheeting. Not very inviting at all.
You've never had to walk past a bouncer to get in somewhere?
Post by: purpletrousers on June 04, 2022, 01:23:18 AM
I’d love to visit the Holte Suite. Last prematch I was made to do the dance move game where you have to put your feet in whatever direction the thing tells you. I wouldn’t mind but my 2yo didn’t get a single point, but told me off for stopping doing it and videoing her!
Still, she loved the flags in the stadium :-)
Post by: WassallVillain on June 04, 2022, 10:49:42 AM
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 05, 2022, 12:20:48 PM
Post by: LeeB on June 05, 2022, 12:32:04 PM
Post by: rougegorge on June 05, 2022, 01:00:56 PM
Just signed up for another year. That’s 40 on the bounce now Covid season excepted. About time I got an invite to the directors box. I’ve probably put more in than most in thereYou're right there. I think the club should acknowledge longstanding supporters like yourself...or even myself as I'm now up to 30 years as a STH.
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 05, 2022, 01:10:46 PM
A cake?Just signed up for another year. That’s 40 on the bounce now Covid season excepted. About time I got an invite to the directors box. I’ve probably put more in than most in thereYou're right there. I think the club should acknowledge longstanding supporters like yourself...or even myself as I'm now up to 30 years as a STH.
Post by: Lucky Eddie on June 05, 2022, 02:01:37 PM
A cake?Just signed up for another year. That’s 40 on the bounce now Covid season excepted. About time I got an invite to the directors box. I’ve probably put more in than most in thereYou're right there. I think the club should acknowledge longstanding supporters like yourself...or even myself as I'm now up to 30 years as a STH.
I don't know about a cake but an offer of a ticket for the first match after lock down would have been a reasonable consideration for your most loyal 'customers'.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on June 05, 2022, 02:12:15 PM
A bit of cake would be nice for the long service.
Post by: frank black on June 05, 2022, 02:19:27 PM
Post by: BlackCountryVilla on June 05, 2022, 04:34:22 PM
A cake?Just signed up for another year. That’s 40 on the bounce now Covid season excepted. About time I got an invite to the directors box. I’ve probably put more in than most in thereYou're right there. I think the club should acknowledge longstanding supporters like yourself...or even myself as I'm now up to 30 years as a STH.
I don't know about a cake but an offer of a ticket for the first match after lock down would have been a reasonable consideration for your most loyal 'customers'.
I agree! We covered this pretty well at the time but it still bugs me that I couldn't attend the first game back after over 30 years of loyal "service"!
Post by: Pete3206 on June 05, 2022, 05:52:44 PM
Post by: exigo on June 05, 2022, 07:01:23 PM
Imagine the scrum if we ever got to the FA cup final
Teams got a 30,500 allocation last season, so this year would be a good time to get to the FA cup final. Won't be long before we've got best part of 40,000 season ticket holders.
Post by: amfy on June 05, 2022, 09:16:16 PM
Imagine the scrum if we ever got to the FA cup final
Teams got a 30,500 allocation last season, so this year would be a good time to get to the FA cup final. Won't be long before we've got best part of 40,000 season ticket holders.
One reason we have kept renewing is that it used to be possible to get FA Cup Final tickets as a reasonably regular attender, but we are pretty much on the Season Ticket Holder only cusp at the moment, and even that might not be enough soon!
Post by: Risso on June 05, 2022, 09:17:37 PM
Imagine the scrum if we ever got to the FA cup final
Teams got a 30,500 allocation last season, so this year would be a good time to get to the FA cup final. Won't be long before we've got best part of 40,000 season ticket holders.
One reason we have kept renewing is that it used to be possible to get FA Cup Final tickets as a reasonably regular attender, but we are pretty much on the Season Ticket Holder only cusp at the moment, and even that might not be enough soon!
You'd only lose it anyway! ;)
Post by: Dave P on June 05, 2022, 09:18:55 PM
Post by: amfy on June 05, 2022, 09:30:25 PM
Imagine the scrum if we ever got to the FA cup final
Teams got a 30,500 allocation last season, so this year would be a good time to get to the FA cup final. Won't be long before we've got best part of 40,000 season ticket holders.
One reason we have kept renewing is that it used to be possible to get FA Cup Final tickets as a reasonably regular attender, but we are pretty much on the Season Ticket Holder only cusp at the moment, and even that might not be enough soon!
You'd only lose it anyway! ;)
That’s a fair point - I might not even have a reserve ticket next time!
Post by: Drummond on June 06, 2022, 10:25:56 AM
Not really bored.
Just wondering where they are and who can gain access , I know Holte End lower can access the Holte Suite at Half Time but wondering how you go about entering the Holte Pub as it looks closed off, front gates shut , bouncer on the back door and the windows covered in plastic sheeting. Not very inviting at all.
If it's not very inviting, why would you want to enter?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 06, 2022, 10:39:24 AM
Not really bored.
Just wondering where they are and who can gain access , I know Holte End lower can access the Holte Suite at Half Time but wondering how you go about entering the Holte Pub as it looks closed off, front gates shut , bouncer on the back door and the windows covered in plastic sheeting. Not very inviting at all.
If it's not very inviting, why would you want to enter?
happy to buy your season tickets off you if you are wavering
Post by: Flin5tone on June 07, 2022, 02:37:48 PM
Was completely against renewing out of principal after the Zone changes + increases but as deadline day approached I gave in and you will all be pleased to know I've renewed.
Now to cut back on other non essential subscriptions and 'treats' to cover it
I expect better than 14th , that's for sure
Post by: chrisw1 on June 07, 2022, 02:51:27 PM
I agree I also expect better than 14th. Infact, unless there's extenuating circumstances (eg injury crisis or finishing the season really well) then I'd probably sack him for anything lower than 8th. With the amount we're spending we need tangible progress.
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 07, 2022, 03:05:27 PM
Post by: LeeB on June 07, 2022, 03:52:42 PM
I don't think it's the amount we're spending but rather that we're spending it on 'now' players rather than on future prospects. With the exception of Kamara, all Gerrard's signings are of an age where you shouldn't expect them to greatly improve.
And we've been there before
Post by: cdward on June 07, 2022, 04:58:56 PM
I don't think it's the amount we're spending but rather that we're spending it on 'now' players rather than on future prospects. With the exception of Kamara, all Gerrard's signings are of an age where you shouldn't expect them to greatly improve.
We do expect them to greatly improve the team though, and immediately.
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on June 07, 2022, 06:21:14 PM
Post by: LeonW on June 07, 2022, 07:45:03 PM
I don't think it's the amount we're spending but rather that we're spending it on 'now' players rather than on future prospects. With the exception of Kamara, all Gerrard's signings are of an age where you shouldn't expect them to greatly improve.
With the age profile of the side Smith helped cultivate and left behind, there was definitely room needed for an increase in experience. Gerrard has brought in players who have been winners elsewhere and this experience is important and will help. If it becomes the de facto recruitment strategy though, that will harm us down the line. I think it still remains to be seen.
Post by: AV82EC on June 07, 2022, 07:53:11 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 07, 2022, 07:59:04 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 07, 2022, 08:19:44 PM
It’s not either/or is it. It should be both.
It should be, but as I've said before my concern is that we've chucked away one in the rush to go for the other.
Post by: Ads on June 07, 2022, 08:23:24 PM
Post by: AV82EC on June 07, 2022, 08:24:13 PM
It’s not either/or is it. It should be both.
It should be, but as I've said before my concern is that we've chucked away one in the rush to go for the other.
Boubacar would suggest that isn’t the case though.
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 07, 2022, 08:26:18 PM
It’s not either/or is it. It should be both.
It should be, but as I've said before my concern is that we've chucked away one in the rush to go for the other.
Boubacar would suggest that isn’t the case though.
That's one player.
Post by: AV82EC on June 07, 2022, 08:30:28 PM
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on June 07, 2022, 08:31:42 PM
Post by: amfy on June 07, 2022, 08:36:20 PM
If I start to see us letting go of players like Archer because we’ve signed Suarez, I’ll be worried.
Post by: chrisw1 on June 07, 2022, 08:40:41 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 07, 2022, 08:48:16 PM
I'm confident we know what we're doing.
Post by: olaftab on June 07, 2022, 09:02:11 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 07, 2022, 10:16:39 PM
I think if we have two or three young players in the first team, along with five or six players in their peak years and couple of slightly older heads (late twenties/early 30s), that seems a very good balance to me. And it seems at the moment with Kamara, Ramsey and to a lesser extent Cash on the younger side, Mcginn, Martinez, Digne, Carlos, Beumdis and Watkins at their peak ages and Coutinhioand Mings a bit older, it looks like we have that good mix. Add Youngsters as back up like Tim, Cam and younger Ramsey, things look positive.It’s not either/or is it. It should be both.
It should be, but as I've said before my concern is that we've chucked away one in the rush to go for the other.
Boubacar would suggest that isn’t the case though.
That's one player.
Post by: purpletrousers on June 08, 2022, 11:35:01 PM
Well , they got me .
Was completely against renewing out of principal after the Zone changes + increases but as deadline day approached I gave in and you will all be pleased to know I've renewed.
Now to cut back on other non essential subscriptions and 'treats' to cover it
I expect better than 14th , that's for sure
I hope you reflect on it being a great decision this time next year Mr Flinstone.
A lot belt tightening going on all round I think. Where do you sit?
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 08, 2022, 11:48:24 PM
Well , they got me .
Was completely against renewing out of principal after the Zone changes + increases but as deadline day approached I gave in and you will all be pleased to know I've renewed.
Now to cut back on other non essential subscriptions and 'treats' to cover it
I expect better than 14th , that's for sure
I hope you reflect on it being a great decision this time next year Mr Flinstone.
A lot belt tightening going on all round I think. Where do you sit?
On his own.
Post by: Flin5tone on June 09, 2022, 08:47:00 AM
Well , they got me .
Was completely against renewing out of principal after the Zone changes + increases but as deadline day approached I gave in and you will all be pleased to know I've renewed.
Now to cut back on other non essential subscriptions and 'treats' to cover it
I expect better than 14th , that's for sure
I hope you reflect on it being a great decision this time next year Mr Flinstone.
A lot belt tightening going on all round I think. Where do you sit?
Holte End upper K3 , towards the front
Post by: chrisw1 on June 09, 2022, 08:59:42 AM
Post by: Flin5tone on June 09, 2022, 09:32:04 AM
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on June 09, 2022, 09:51:18 AM
I don't think it's the amount we're spending but rather that we're spending it on 'now' players rather than on future prospects. With the exception of Kamara, all Gerrard's signings are of an age where you shouldn't expect them to greatly improve.
Given that managers usually last a couple of seasons before getting sacked, why should Gerrard care about our youth set up? Why should he worry about developing a youth policy that will only benefit his successor? He needs his results now so wants players who will slot straight in to the first team. It’s complete short-termism but that’s how it goes nowadays.
Post by: LeeB on June 09, 2022, 10:13:39 AM
It's increased in price by around £80, I just didn't like how the club went about scrapping Zone 6 and slapping those in the cheapest seats with a £200 increase. Not a good look , at all.
That's me, but I'm not fucking moaning about it every day so why are you?
Post by: Nev on June 09, 2022, 10:26:24 AM
Well , they got me .
Was completely against renewing out of principal after the Zone changes + increases but as deadline day approached I gave in and you will all be pleased to know I've renewed.
Now to cut back on other non essential subscriptions and 'treats' to cover it
I expect better than 14th , that's for sure
I hope you reflect on it being a great decision this time next year Mr Flinstone.
A lot belt tightening going on all round I think. Where do you sit?
Holte End upper K3 , towards the front
Phew.
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 09, 2022, 10:29:26 AM
I don't think it's the amount we're spending but rather that we're spending it on 'now' players rather than on future prospects. With the exception of Kamara, all Gerrard's signings are of an age where you shouldn't expect them to greatly improve.
Given that managers usually last a couple of seasons before getting sacked, why should Gerrard care about our youth set up? Why should he worry about developing a youth policy that will only benefit his successor? He needs his results now so wants players who will slot straight in to the first team. It’s complete short-termism but that’s how it goes nowadays.
Exactly. It's all about the manager.
Post by: olaftab on June 09, 2022, 11:09:28 AM
Post by: Lsvilla on June 09, 2022, 11:19:18 AM
Post by: Risso on June 09, 2022, 11:22:48 AM
And that's what is wrong with this current appointment. With Smith it was about the Club not the manager.
What an absolute load of nonsense. The club are clearly continuing with the plan to buy and develop lots of very good young players. Under Gerrard, we've just signed one of the most highly rated 22 year olds in Europe. He also gave Chukwuemeka game time in 11 of his 27 league matches in charge, compared to 1 in 11 for Smith. Ramsey was a nailed on starter, Iroegbunam was given his debut, and Feeney and Chrisene were part of several match day squads. But yeah, Dean Smith.
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 09, 2022, 11:27:38 AM
And that's what is wrong with this current appointment. With Smith it was about the Club not the manager.
What an absolute load of nonsense. The club are clearly continuing with the plan to buy and develop lots of very good young players. Under Gerrard, we've just signed one of the most highly rated 22 year olds in Europe. He also gave Chukwuemeka game time in 11 of his 27 league matches in charge, compared to 1 in 11 for Smith. Ramsey was a nailed on starter, Iroegbunam was given his debut, and Feeney and Chrisene were part of several match day squads. But yeah, Dean Smith.
It's not necessarily about the previous manager. For me it's about how a system whch had been hailed as the way forward, and which had worked pretty well since it was first implemented, has been chucked over seemingly for the benefit of Steven Gerrard.
Post by: LeeB on June 09, 2022, 11:33:36 AM
But another way of looking at it is that for the first time in a long time we're signing players for now, not some mythical utopian period in the future, and finally we have a manager with the cache to push for, and to make it happen.
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 09, 2022, 11:35:27 AM
It's one way of looking at it, and I too wonder how the grand plan looks now.
But another way of looking at it is that for the first time in a long time we're signing players for now, not some mythical utopian period in the future, and finally we have a manager with the cache to push for, and to make it happen.
Which is another thing - the idea that the manager is some great footballing Colossus, when in reality he's still relatively untried.
Post by: Risso on June 09, 2022, 11:42:24 AM
It's one way of looking at it, and I too wonder how the grand plan looks now.
But another way of looking at it is that for the first time in a long time we're signing players for now, not some mythical utopian period in the future, and finally we have a manager with the cache to push for, and to make it happen.
Which is another thing - the idea that the manager is some great footballing Colossus, when in reality he's still relatively untried.
Where has anybody said he's a footballing colossus? He's got a good name in the industry from his playing days, which for now we're making the most of, and why wouldn't you? I'm sure even he realises that's not going to cut the mustard forever though.
Post by: LeeB on June 09, 2022, 11:46:05 AM
It's one way of looking at it, and I too wonder how the grand plan looks now.
But another way of looking at it is that for the first time in a long time we're signing players for now, not some mythical utopian period in the future, and finally we have a manager with the cache to push for, and to make it happen.
Which is another thing - the idea that the manager is some great footballing Colossus, when in reality he's still relatively untried.
He was a footballing colossus, it's just the managing side that's untried. But it's hard to deny that his profile (and I'm not a fan of this stuff but it's how the world works now) has seemingly opened us up to another level of player and the club seem in intent on taking advantage of it, which as a fan con only be a good thing.
I'm no apologist, but it seems a bit churlish at the minute to criticise when the club seem to acting the way we've been crying out for for decades
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 09, 2022, 11:48:39 AM
It's one way of looking at it, and I too wonder how the grand plan looks now.
But another way of looking at it is that for the first time in a long time we're signing players for now, not some mythical utopian period in the future, and finally we have a manager with the cache to push for, and to make it happen.
Which is another thing - the idea that the manager is some great footballing Colossus, when in reality he's still relatively untried.
Where has anybody said he's a footballing colossus? He's got a good name in the industry from his playing days, which for now we're making the most of, and why wouldn't you? I'm sure even he realises that's not going to cut the mustard forever though.
There's been a lot of assumption that he's going to be successful, which is where my concern lies. We seem to be gambling the club's medium-term future on an unknown quantity of a manager.
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 09, 2022, 11:51:57 AM
It's one way of looking at it, and I too wonder how the grand plan looks now.
But another way of looking at it is that for the first time in a long time we're signing players for now, not some mythical utopian period in the future, and finally we have a manager with the cache to push for, and to make it happen.
Which is another thing - the idea that the manager is some great footballing Colossus, when in reality he's still relatively untried.
He was a footballing colossus, it's just the managing side that's untried. But it's hard to deny that his profile (and I'm not a fan of this stuff but it's how the world works now) has seemingly opened us up to another level of player and the club seem in intent on taking advantage of it, which as a fan con only be a good thing.
I'm no apologist, but it seems a bit churlish at the minute to criticise when the club seem to acting the way we've been crying out for for decades
But we weren't crying out for it. We've just spent three years saying what we were doing was the right thing, and we didn't want constant change. Now we've got change again and that, supposedly, is what we wanted all along.
Post by: Risso on June 09, 2022, 11:52:40 AM
There's been a lot of assumption that he's going to be successful, which is where my concern lies. We seem to be gambling the club's medium-term future on an unknown quantity of a manager.
He'll either do well, or he won't and his successor will have players like Coutinho, Kamara and Digne to work with, plus a cracking youth set up. Doesn't seem like that much of a gamble to be honest.
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 09, 2022, 11:55:19 AM
There's been a lot of assumption that he's going to be successful, which is where my concern lies. We seem to be gambling the club's medium-term future on an unknown quantity of a manager.
He'll either do well, or he won't and his successor will have players like Coutinho, Kamara and Digne to work with, plus a cracking youth set up. Doesn't seem like that much of a gamble to be honest.
Unless he doesn't want them, in which case we're back where we started.
Post by: LeeB on June 09, 2022, 12:00:57 PM
There's been a lot of assumption that he's going to be successful, which is where my concern lies. We seem to be gambling the club's medium-term future on an unknown quantity of a manager.
He'll either do well, or he won't and his successor will have players like Coutinho, Kamara and Digne to work with, plus a cracking youth set up. Doesn't seem like that much of a gamble to be honest.
Unless he doesn't want them, in which case we're back where we started.
That may or not be the case but the players mentioned are unequivocally of a higher standard than El Ghazi, Marv or Matt Targett, and therefore the likelehood is he'd be less inclined to replace them
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 09, 2022, 12:02:22 PM
There's been a lot of assumption that he's going to be successful, which is where my concern lies. We seem to be gambling the club's medium-term future on an unknown quantity of a manager.
He'll either do well, or he won't and his successor will have players like Coutinho, Kamara and Digne to work with, plus a cracking youth set up. Doesn't seem like that much of a gamble to be honest.
Unless he doesn't want them, in which case we're back where we started.
That may or not be the case but the players mentioned are unequivocally of a higher standard than El Ghazi, Marv or Matt Targett, and therefore the likelehood is he'd be less inclined to replace them
You can say the same about every manager by picking his best three and the previous manager's worst.
Post by: Risso on June 09, 2022, 12:32:56 PM
There's been a lot of assumption that he's going to be successful, which is where my concern lies. We seem to be gambling the club's medium-term future on an unknown quantity of a manager.
He'll either do well, or he won't and his successor will have players like Coutinho, Kamara and Digne to work with, plus a cracking youth set up. Doesn't seem like that much of a gamble to be honest.
Unless he doesn't want them, in which case we're back where we started.
Well, that's true of every manager at every club ever, and you probably need to be at a club for five years plus not to have any players from a previous manager under you. The club are backing the manager, and bringing in some very good players. It seems a bit odd that people are trying to turn it into a negative.
Post by: LeeB on June 09, 2022, 12:38:43 PM
There's been a lot of assumption that he's going to be successful, which is where my concern lies. We seem to be gambling the club's medium-term future on an unknown quantity of a manager.
He'll either do well, or he won't and his successor will have players like Coutinho, Kamara and Digne to work with, plus a cracking youth set up. Doesn't seem like that much of a gamble to be honest.
Unless he doesn't want them, in which case we're back where we started.
That may or not be the case but the players mentioned are unequivocally of a higher standard than El Ghazi, Marv or Matt Targett, and therefore the likelehood is he'd be less inclined to replace them
You can say the same about every manager by picking his best three and the previous manager's worst.
That was just the players that have effectively been replaced by those in Risso's post though
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 09, 2022, 12:44:59 PM
There's been a lot of assumption that he's going to be successful, which is where my concern lies. We seem to be gambling the club's medium-term future on an unknown quantity of a manager.
He'll either do well, or he won't and his successor will have players like Coutinho, Kamara and Digne to work with, plus a cracking youth set up. Doesn't seem like that much of a gamble to be honest.
Unless he doesn't want them, in which case we're back where we started.
Well, that's true of every manager at every club ever, and you probably need to be at a club for five years plus not to have any players from a previous manager under you. The club are backing the manager, and bringing in some very good players. It seems a bit odd that people are trying to turn it into a negative.
But that was the whiole point - managers might come and go but the system above them remained. Now it's been scrapped and we're starting again. And my whole point, which you can take as a negative, a concern or whatever, is that the whole thing seems to have been done for the benefit of Steven Gerrard. One man in control of whatever he wants. We've been here before.
Post by: BC54 VFC on June 09, 2022, 12:45:42 PM
I love the way you got the Echo & The Bunnymen reference in there, with Mac being a massive Liverpool fan. BTW, they're supporting The Rolling Stones at Anfield this evening - should be the other way around IMHO.It's one way of looking at it, and I too wonder how the grand plan looks now.
But another way of looking at it is that for the first time in a long time we're signing players for now, not some mythical utopian period in the future, and finally we have a manager with the cache to push for, and to make it happen.
Which is another thing - the idea that the manager is some great footballing Colossus, when in reality he's still relatively untried.
Where has anybody said he's a footballing colossus? He's got a good name in the industry from his playing days, which for now we're making the most of, and why wouldn't you? I'm sure even he realises that's not going to cut the mustard forever though.
Post by: Border villan on June 09, 2022, 01:06:44 PM
Post by: robbo1874 on June 09, 2022, 01:15:45 PM
from a distace, and I am at a considerable distance, it seems like you may be taking this brummie / Black Country cynical / pessimistic thing to a whole new level. Only a few months back, I was questioning whether we had made the right choice with Gerrard, or if we should bin him and get someone else in, I’ll admit that.
There's been a lot of assumption that he's going to be successful, which is where my concern lies. We seem to be gambling the club's medium-term future on an unknown quantity of a manager.
He'll either do well, or he won't and his successor will have players like Coutinho, Kamara and Digne to work with, plus a cracking youth set up. Doesn't seem like that much of a gamble to be honest.
Unless he doesn't want them, in which case we're back where we started.
That may or not be the case but the players mentioned are unequivocally of a higher standard than El Ghazi, Marv or Matt Targett, and therefore the likelehood is he'd be less inclined to replace them
You can say the same about every manager by picking his best three and the previous manager's worst.
But there just seems to be a good vibe around the club at the minute. The business we’re doing, a lot of that, it would be hard to argue against, wouldn’t have been done if Gerrard wasn’t the manager. Like it or not, he’s a massive name and has massive pull in the game, because he’s still so close to his playing days. Yes , if he does fk all in the next 10 years, it diminishes year on year. But let’s maybe look on the positive side for a change, apart from season ticket price increases, what is there really to criticise the club for ? Gerrard would be a big part, I reckon, in that change of culture from a ‘we’re a big club so we’ll be alright’ to a ‘we want to be in Europe, look at what we’re doing to get there’ kind of mindset.
I know it could all come crashing down by Christmas, but I think we need to have a bit of belief too. Villa will always be Villa and mostly do what Villa have always done, but it just seems a bit more of a higher level operation in place to make it happen.
If you look at it coldly, we’re barely into the transfer window opening, so who knows what the fk will happen between now and Deadline day, for us and all the other clubs. Looks a lot better than it has for years and years though.
Time will test, as with all managers. I think Gerrard properly wants to have a crack though and probably backs himself to deliver on European qualification next season.
Post by: Chris Smith on June 09, 2022, 02:48:32 PM
There's been a lot of assumption that he's going to be successful, which is where my concern lies. We seem to be gambling the club's medium-term future on an unknown quantity of a manager.
He'll either do well, or he won't and his successor will have players like Coutinho, Kamara and Digne to work with, plus a cracking youth set up. Doesn't seem like that much of a gamble to be honest.
I imagine If Gerrard goes then Coutinho will be on the phone to his agent 2 minutes later.
Post by: richtheholtender on June 09, 2022, 06:34:07 PM
There's been a lot of assumption that he's going to be successful, which is where my concern lies. We seem to be gambling the club's medium-term future on an unknown quantity of a manager.
He'll either do well, or he won't and his successor will have players like Coutinho, Kamara and Digne to work with, plus a cracking youth set up. Doesn't seem like that much of a gamble to be honest.
I imagine If Gerrard goes then Coutinho will be on the phone to his agent 2 minutes later.
Well he shouldn't have signed the contract. If he wants to kick off and wreck his last few years then let him. I think none of that will be happening.
Post by: olaftab on June 10, 2022, 06:25:55 AM
Post by: Joe S on June 10, 2022, 06:33:15 AM
I heard a rumour that another big change on card design is being contemplated. I am not going to be happy if they make a change and ST cards are claret & blue striped rather than plain simple claret?🤔
Do you mean the cards don't have blue edges?
Post by: nodge on June 10, 2022, 07:27:42 AM
Post by: frank black on June 10, 2022, 08:21:45 AM
Does anyone know if there’s a way of seeing what seats are available to relocate to or is it just a case of calling the ticket office on Monday?
Almost certain there isn’t, that would be very “here’s what you could have won”.
Post by: chrisw1 on June 10, 2022, 09:06:55 AM
It would be a good idea, and not particulalrly difficult to pull off.Does anyone know if there’s a way of seeing what seats are available to relocate to or is it just a case of calling the ticket office on Monday?
Almost certain there isn’t, that would be very “here’s what you could have won”.
Post by: astonvilla82 on June 10, 2022, 12:09:01 PM
Does anyone know if there’s a way of seeing what seats are available to relocate to or is it just a case of calling the ticket office on Monday?one time you could actually go in and view your seat?
Post by: nodge on June 10, 2022, 12:26:45 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 10, 2022, 12:36:13 PM
There should be an option at renewal where they ask if you and your party wouldn't mind budging down one seat in your row if need be, and you get rewarded with a free pint or a pie or something, just to try and alleviate the amount of single seats dotted around the place.
Post by: amfy on June 10, 2022, 01:29:57 PM
There's loads if choice if you fancy a seat tucked away in a corner somewhere.This is only going to get worse with the waiting list! I asked if there could be a mini relaxation window for people where one of the group has dropped out & their seat is in the middle, to enable the group to bunch up, but you just have to take your chances in relocation day and hope no one beats you to it! Of course, the new person in the middle would most likely just swap seats, but someone will get that intransigent dickhead that insists on staying in the seat they paid for stuck in the middle of their group!
There should be an option at renewal where they ask if you and your party wouldn't mind budging down one seat in your row if need be, and you get rewarded with a free pint or a pie or something, just to try and alleviate the amount of single seats dotted around the place.
Post by: frank black on June 10, 2022, 01:44:12 PM
I’ve been hit by the price increase and relocation cost to a more expensive zone. They’d better lift the FA cup this season!!!!
Post by: charleeco7 on June 10, 2022, 02:20:47 PM
Does anyone know if there’s a way of seeing what seats are available to relocate to or is it just a case of calling the ticket office on Monday?
Last year there wasn’t. We moved and I spent hours on hold trying to arrange it. Also if one person is trying to move a group of you, then the club require an email authorising the person phoning to do so on behalf of the rest. This is regardless of whether your accounts are linked or not.
Post by: purpletrousers on June 11, 2022, 02:48:56 AM
If I was trying to move I’ll get my 2yo to send her first email then!Does anyone know if there’s a way of seeing what seats are available to relocate to or is it just a case of calling the ticket office on Monday?
Last year there wasn’t. We moved and I spent hours on hold trying to arrange it. Also if one person is trying to move a group of you, then the club require an email authorising the person phoning to do so on behalf of the rest. This is regardless of whether your accounts are linked or not.
She’ll be 3 soon, was asking this morning if we are going to football, bless her.
I think I’ve settled we are in about as good seats as we can get in the family zone, I like lower tier for her to be close to the action/nip down to the pitch by the tunnel at the end, and as far back as can be for me for the better view.
(the club were helpful on the phone last year working out seat choices, me looking at the seat plan in front of me).
Challenge will be when the youngest is old enough if both want to come and we have to try to get three together.
Post by: astonvilla82 on June 13, 2022, 10:38:52 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on June 13, 2022, 10:43:28 AM
Post by: charleeco7 on June 13, 2022, 10:58:07 AM
Post by: astonvilla82 on June 13, 2022, 10:59:27 AM
Post by: astonvilla82 on June 13, 2022, 11:11:19 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on June 13, 2022, 12:19:19 PM
You can log in and see what’s available now. There’s a few thousand available by the looks of it.Where is this, do you have a link?
Post by: Dave P on June 13, 2022, 12:25:51 PM
You can log in and see what’s available now. There’s a few thousand available by the looks of it.Where is this, do you have a link?
https://tickets.avfc.co.uk/en-GB/subscriptions/2022-23%20season%20ticket?hallmap
This doesn't mean this many have not renewed, this is just the other seats you can choose from. I'll be shocked if there isn't 30k season ticket holders again.
Post by: UK Redsox on June 13, 2022, 12:31:46 PM
https://tickets.avfc.co.uk/en-GB/subscriptions/2022-23%20season%20ticket?area=ad0d7068-9b3f-e711-80cc-005056010062&type=&sb2m=1
Post by: chrisw1 on June 13, 2022, 12:39:14 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on June 13, 2022, 12:41:18 PM
Thanks. There's some excellent seats available in upper HolteYou can log in and see what’s available now. There’s a few thousand available by the looks of it.Where is this, do you have a link?
https://tickets.avfc.co.uk/en-GB/subscriptions/2022-23%20season%20ticket?hallmap
This doesn't mean this many have not renewed, this is just the other seats you can choose from. I'll be shocked if there isn't 30k season ticket holders again.
Post by: exigo on June 13, 2022, 01:37:32 PM
Post by: Dazvillain on June 13, 2022, 01:57:31 PM
42,640 - away seats 2800 = 39760
39760 - 8225 remaining = 31,535 sold
= surprised, so allowing for a few rounding up/down in those calculations, it looks as if full 30000 are sold or near on anyway
Does that calculation seem feasible ?
Post by: Nii Lamptey on June 13, 2022, 02:13:14 PM
8225 left according to plan at moment, so very roughly ;
42,640 - away seats 2800 = 39760
39760 - 8225 remaining = 31,535 sold
= surprised, so allowing for a few rounding up/down in those calculations, it looks as if full 30000 are sold or near on anyway
Does that calculation seem feasible ?
Wilma won't be happy about this!
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 13, 2022, 02:14:33 PM
8225 left according to plan at moment, so very roughly ;
42,640 - away seats 2800 = 39760
39760 - 8225 remaining = 31,535 sold
= surprised, so allowing for a few rounding up/down in those calculations, it looks as if full 30000 are sold or near on anyway
Does that calculation seem feasible ?
Wilma won't be happy about this!
Well that is too many now surely?? . I demand answers!
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on June 13, 2022, 03:13:27 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 13, 2022, 03:16:02 PM
3,000 not renewed
Fact-checked, or still rumour?
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on June 13, 2022, 03:19:10 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 13, 2022, 04:02:55 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on June 13, 2022, 04:05:43 PM
8225 left according to plan at moment, so very roughly ;I guess this excludes corporate etc.
42,640 - away seats 2800 = 39760
39760 - 8225 remaining = 31,535 sold
= surprised, so allowing for a few rounding up/down in those calculations, it looks as if full 30000 are sold or near on anyway
Does that calculation seem feasible ?
If 3,000 haven't renewed that's sustainable turnover for the time being and good news for some on the waiting list.
Post by: john e on June 13, 2022, 04:06:39 PM
Ring from 10 o’clock onwards can’t do it online
Every time I’ve rung which is many times automated voice says to busy ring back later
Hopeless Waste of fucking time
Post by: astonvilla82 on June 13, 2022, 09:21:09 PM
Relocation day todayphoned at 10, took a hour to get through to Lee, took minutes to complete, possible when you keep phoning back you are rejoining the queue?
Ring from 10 o’clock onwards can’t do it online
Every time I’ve rung which is many times automated voice says to busy ring back later
Hopeless Waste of fucking time
Post by: Gareth on June 13, 2022, 09:31:35 PM
They'll be dancing in the streets of Bedrock tonight.:-) yabba dabba doooooooooooo
Post by: andyh on June 13, 2022, 10:12:43 PM
The shortfall will be absolutely gobbled up and the decision to expand the stadium is even more justified.
Post by: Skerra on June 14, 2022, 12:10:52 AM
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on June 14, 2022, 08:00:19 AM
Can’t understand why it can’t be done online in this day and ageWhat, extend the stadium!! ;)
Post by: LeeB on June 14, 2022, 08:30:42 AM
;) ;)Can’t understand why it can’t be done online in this day and ageWhat, extend the stadium!! ;)
Yeah, just use a massive 3D printer
Post by: eamonn on June 14, 2022, 08:32:57 AM
Post by: Drummond on June 14, 2022, 09:45:48 AM
;) ;)Can’t understand why it can’t be done online in this day and ageWhat, extend the stadium!! ;)
Yeah, just use a massive 3D printer
Those Minecraft designs might not be so daft.....
Post by: spangley1812 on June 14, 2022, 05:39:53 PM
Post by: Flin5tone on June 15, 2022, 01:03:45 PM
Still, 3,000 not renewing is a very impressive figure, we must have some blindly loyal/stupid fans and those with big wallets!
Post by: Risso on June 15, 2022, 01:06:49 PM
Post by: amfy on June 15, 2022, 01:17:08 PM
I've noticed many of the seats that have not been renewed happen to be in the 'cheap seats' this proving that the targeted elimination of the working class and those less well off has indeed happened.
Still, 3,000 not renewing is a very impressive figure, we must have some blindly loyal/stupid fans and those with big wallets!
Or they might be relocating thinking ‘if I’m paying the same as a more central seat, I may as well have a more central seat!’
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 15, 2022, 02:18:43 PM
Jesus, have a day off, will you.
Dont bite!! All bluff and bullsh**t
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 15, 2022, 02:24:23 PM
Post by: olaftab on June 15, 2022, 02:27:46 PM
Still, 3,000 not renewing is a very impressive figure, we must have some blindly loyal/stupid fans and those with big wallets!I am both and therefore I have renewed so I hope it's ok with you?
Post by: Dr Butler on June 15, 2022, 02:36:04 PM
Still, 3,000 not renewing is a very impressive figure, we must have some blindly loyal/stupid fans and those with big wallets!I am both and therefore I have renewed so I hope it's ok with you?
I don't have a big wallet, but guilty as for the other one....
UTV
The Doc
Post by: Drummond on June 15, 2022, 02:41:26 PM
I've noticed many of the seats that have not been renewed happen to be in the 'cheap seats' this proving that the targeted elimination of the working class and those less well off has indeed happened.
Still, 3,000 not renewing is a very impressive figure, we must have some blindly loyal/stupid fans and those with big wallets!
Which one are you? I bet I can guess.
Post by: astonvilla82 on June 15, 2022, 03:07:05 PM
I've noticed many of the seats that have not been renewed happen to be in the 'cheap seats' this proving that the targeted elimination of the working class and those less well off has indeed happened.son paying the extra for a seat with a better view,loads of money he's a champagne socialist , he paying the different for my ticket love him to bits
Still, 3,000 not renewing is a very impressive figure, we must have some blindly loyal/stupid fans and those with big wallets!
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 15, 2022, 04:19:02 PM
Post by: eamonn on June 15, 2022, 04:22:45 PM
The champagne highs, the giddy lights, paradise
Post by: UK Redsox on June 15, 2022, 04:28:12 PM
Put it all in a trust fund, she can't touch til she's twenty-one
The champagne highs, the giddy lights, paradise
Take note everyone, it was Eamonn who posted this, not me ;) :)
Post by: eamonn on June 15, 2022, 05:25:13 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 15, 2022, 09:04:37 PM
This has just reminded me of one of my favourite online theories. The Flintstones isn't set in the past, it's in a post-apocalyptic future. The wealthy elite, like The Jetsons, live in bubbled off cities high above the ground while the Flintstones of this world have returned to a prehistoric state following some unspecified global catastrophe.
I need someone to pass me a huge spliff whilst i absorb this, utter genius
Post by: Ads on June 15, 2022, 09:19:40 PM
This has just reminded me of one of my favourite online theories. The Flintstones isn't set in the past, it's in a post-apocalyptic future. The wealthy elite, like The Jetsons, live in bubbled off cities high above the ground while the Flintstones of this world have returned to a prehistoric state following some unspecified global catastrophe.
There's dinosaurs.
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 15, 2022, 09:22:38 PM
Post by: andyh on June 15, 2022, 09:36:18 PM
The joys of being a Villa fan eh!
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 15, 2022, 09:39:48 PM
Christ, I’m either a wanker or blindly stupid …or probably both !
The joys of being a Villa fan eh!
The two are linked, I've heard...
Post by: Lsvilla on June 15, 2022, 09:41:17 PM
Do we get a badge or anything ?Still, 3,000 not renewing is a very impressive figure, we must have some blindly loyal/stupid fans and those with big wallets!I am both and therefore I have renewed so I hope it's ok with you?
Post by: Ads on June 15, 2022, 10:09:15 PM
There's dinosaurs in Jurassic Park and that's not set in the past. They could master the technology to bring the dinosaurs back before we nuke ourselves. Maybe a T-Rex treads on the button.
Its set in 1993.
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 15, 2022, 10:10:45 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 15, 2022, 10:20:39 PM
Still, 3,000 not renewing is a very impressive figure, we must have some blindly loyal/stupid fans and those with big wallets!
I realise you may have been told many times that it's okay, size doesn't matter, but it does. 8)
Post by: astonvilla82 on June 15, 2022, 10:26:29 PM
Christ, I’m either a wanker or blindly stupid …or probably both !funny, thought being a wanker makes you blind anyway
The joys of being a Villa fan eh!
Post by: Ads on June 15, 2022, 10:29:26 PM
True. Jurassic World then. Or whatever the latest one is called. Anyway hardly impossible that dinosaurs are back in Jetsons times. I thought Ashley Young was gone and then you look around and he's back again. Also, they're fairly docile dinosaurs. Most likely genetically engineered.
Dinosaurs' record of surviving an extinction event are about as good as Small Heath in the 2nd City Derby. I remain skeptical of your hypothesis.
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 15, 2022, 10:46:14 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extinction_events
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 16, 2022, 07:15:57 AM
Humans survived, makes sense that some of their new, genetically-engineered pets would survive with them. Also, seems like dinos survived a few...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extinction_events
Are they dinasours though, i don’t recall any of the Flinstones dinasours being talked about in terms of their species. We think there dinasours because are brains are geared towards that conclusion, we don’t what time of hybrid mammal or reptile theyve actually learnt to breed for work purposes in the post apocalyptic world…..or they in fact AI. They seem purely there to work in the quarry and service the domestic needs of Wilma and Fred.
Post by: UK Redsox on June 16, 2022, 09:31:58 AM
Humans survived, makes sense that some of their new, genetically-engineered pets would survive with them. Also, seems like dinos survived a few...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extinction_events
Are they dinasours though, i don’t recall any of the Flinstones dinasours being talked about in terms of their species. We think there dinasours because are brains are geared towards that conclusion, we don’t what time of hybrid mammal or reptile theyve actually learnt to breed for work purposes in the post apocalyptic world…..or they in fact AI. They seem purely there to work in the quarry and service the domestic needs of Wilma and Fred.
This is exactly the type of weird tangent that makes H&V one of the best places on the web :)
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 16, 2022, 09:35:11 AM
Post by: UK Redsox on June 16, 2022, 09:41:36 AM
Also, it clearly can't be the olden days because humans and dinosaurs weren't around at the same time. So it must be the future. Unless we are to believe that the writers weren't sticklers for historical accuracy, but that seems a bit far-fetched.
Or........the Young Earth Creationists are correct and dinosaurs/humans did live together
Post by: JD on June 16, 2022, 09:55:10 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 16, 2022, 09:57:56 AM
Maybe the Dinosaurs missed the memo to get on Noahs Ark.I think they are just very good at hiding.
Post by: JD on June 16, 2022, 10:00:29 AM
Maybe the Dinosaurs missed the memo to get on Noahs Ark.I think they are just very good at hiding.
You could be right.
Post by: eamonn on June 16, 2022, 10:36:15 AM
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They seem purely there to work in the quarry and service the domestic needs of Wilma and Fred.
One of the best sentences ever dreamed-up on H&V!
Post by: Flin5tone on June 16, 2022, 11:51:18 AM
Be very interesting to see who gets an 'invite' to purchase a season card in the coming weeks and how many of the 'waiting list' take up the offer.
With so many available in the old zone 6 seats I imagine those on the list will see it as good value for a first timer .
Post by: Mister E on June 16, 2022, 02:36:18 PM
Seems like plenty available in the North Stand , even some seats coming up at the front of the upper (very good view) and lot's dotted around in the Holte End (previously zone 6 seats)You do seem a little fixated by this, old chap ....
Be very interesting to see who gets an 'invite' to purchase a season card in the coming weeks and how many of the 'waiting list' take up the offer.
With so many available in the old zone 6 seats I imagine those on the list will see it as good value for a first timer .
Post by: Ads on June 16, 2022, 04:43:48 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 16, 2022, 04:59:53 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on June 16, 2022, 05:02:27 PM
My season ticket only costs 304.5 pasties!
Post by: TheMalandro on June 16, 2022, 05:16:55 PM
I'm led to believe that when you put yourself on the list, you have to specify which stand you want. Does anybody know if you have to stick to that decision?
I’m on the list, I don’t think I had to give a preferred stand.
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 16, 2022, 09:45:23 PM
Maybe the Dinosaurs missed the memo to get on Noahs Ark.
They couldn't pick it up due to their tiny hands.
At least they had fun guzzling all the unicorns before they drowned.
Post by: Rory on June 16, 2022, 09:57:04 PM
Also, it clearly can't be the olden days because humans and dinosaurs weren't around at the same time. So it must be the future. Unless we are to believe that the writers weren't sticklers for historical accuracy, but that seems a bit far-fetched.
Or........the Young Earth Creationists are correct and dinosaurs/humans did live together
That's what I was thinking, and it involves a Battlestar Galactica cyclical origin kind of thing.
Post by: Dogtanian on June 16, 2022, 09:59:51 PM
That's what I was thinking, and it involves a Battlestar Galactica cyclical origin kind of thing.
A Cylon t-Rex?
Post by: Drummond on June 16, 2022, 10:10:25 PM
There's dinosaurs in Jurassic Park and that's not set in the past. They could master the technology to bring the dinosaurs back before we nuke ourselves. Maybe a T-Rex treads on the button.
Its set in 1993.
Given there were never people and dinosaurs living together in the past, it can't be set then.
Post by: Rory on June 16, 2022, 10:14:49 PM
That's what I was thinking, and it involves a Battlestar Galactica cyclical origin kind of thing.
A Cylon t-Rex?
Well, I guess if the notion of humanity being doomed to evolve faster than our environment, recklessly rushing into the creation of artificial intelligence which turns against us resulting in a nuclear apocalypse and humans fleeing earth pursued by our own creation, only to spend tens if not hundreds of thousands of millions of years travelling through space, in the process gradually forming a new kind of religion/mythology/creation story, in search of a new home planet is the case, then a colony of human beings after travelling for however many years could potentially find a planet that had a similar or identical pattern of evolution as earth, but 70-300million years earlier in the process. (And breathe...)
Post by: Richard E on June 16, 2022, 10:27:13 PM
There's dinosaurs in Jurassic Park and that's not set in the past. They could master the technology to bring the dinosaurs back before we nuke ourselves. Maybe a T-Rex treads on the button.
Its set in 1993.
Given there were never people and dinosaurs living together in the past, it can't be set then.
I thought it was set in present day Wolverhampton.
Post by: Dogtanian on June 17, 2022, 02:55:18 PM
There's dinosaurs in Jurassic Park and that's not set in the past. They could master the technology to bring the dinosaurs back before we nuke ourselves. Maybe a T-Rex treads on the button.
Its set in 1993.
Given there were never people and dinosaurs living together in the past, it can't be set then.
I thought it was set in present day Wolverhampton.
It would have needed subtitles.
Post by: Ads on June 20, 2022, 10:06:40 AM
Post by: LeeB on June 20, 2022, 10:14:46 AM
Looks like the Waiting List folks will receive emails with an opportunity to buy a season ticket in the next day or two.
tHeY DoNt ExIst ItS A dIsGrAce, mArK My wUrdS
Post by: AV82EC on June 20, 2022, 10:20:58 AM
Looks like the Waiting List folks will receive emails with an opportunity to buy a season ticket in the next day or two.
tHeY DoNt ExIst ItS A dIsGrAce, mArK My wUrdS
Yep it’s a middle class plot. Wake up sheeple.
Post by: chrisw1 on June 20, 2022, 10:21:17 AM
I'm led to believe that when you put yourself on the list, you have to specify which stand you want. Does anybody know if you have to stick to that decision?No you don't you can choose any stand once your turn comes.
Post by: chrisw1 on June 20, 2022, 10:25:22 AM
Where I'd guess Fred is right is that there will be quite a lot on the list who joined 'just in case' I do doubt there will be 20k willing and able to part with the cash once the opprtunity comes. But more than enough to keep out ST sold out for a few seasons yet if there's a c10% turnover each year.Looks like the Waiting List folks will receive emails with an opportunity to buy a season ticket in the next day or two.
tHeY DoNt ExIst ItS A dIsGrAce, mArK My wUrdS
Post by: LeeB on June 20, 2022, 10:33:31 AM
Where I'd guess Fred is right is that there will be quite a lot on the list who joined 'just in case' I do doubt there will be 20k willing and able to part with the cash once the opprtunity comes. But more than enough to keep out ST sold out for a few seasons yet if there's a c10% turnover each year.Looks like the Waiting List folks will receive emails with an opportunity to buy a season ticket in the next day or two.
tHeY DoNt ExIst ItS A dIsGrAce, mArK My wUrdS
I know 3 lads on the list desperate for the chance to buy one. If performances and results rise in line with the ambition shown in the transfer market then the number is only going to grow, and then the year after we'll be looking at reduced capacity for a while, match day tickets will be like gold dust.
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on June 20, 2022, 11:32:58 AM
From memory, we had less than a week to decide. UTV.
Post by: Richard on June 20, 2022, 11:39:39 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 20, 2022, 11:48:31 AM
Post by: Ads on June 20, 2022, 12:09:10 PM
Where I'd guess Fred is right is that there will be quite a lot on the list who joined 'just in case' I do doubt there will be 20k willing and able to part with the cash once the opprtunity comes. But more than enough to keep out ST sold out for a few seasons yet if there's a c10% turnover each year.Looks like the Waiting List folks will receive emails with an opportunity to buy a season ticket in the next day or two.
tHeY DoNt ExIst ItS A dIsGrAce, mArK My wUrdS
I'd imagine everybody on the waiting list wants one and that the overwhelming majority would opt to purchase given a chance.
It's gone without notice, but we've had our 4th highest average attendance last season and the highest average in 72 years. It seems highly probable that significant demand is there. I hope for the sake of those offered they're in a financial position to take the seat up.
I mean its either that or part of an attack on the poor. Eitherway, its a disgrace.
Post by: AV82EC on June 20, 2022, 12:36:47 PM
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on June 20, 2022, 05:08:25 PM
Surely we didn't have a waiting list as long ago as 2017/8 ?Can't remember exactly when I/we joined the waiting list, but yes, we were on the list for several seasons.
Post by: Kimaster1976 on June 20, 2022, 05:44:39 PM
Post by: spangley1812 on June 20, 2022, 06:12:21 PM
Has anyone had an email yet offering one? Have they gone out yet today?
Going on previous seasons they offer so many a day and those people have 5 to 7 days to make a decision
Post by: Lsvilla on June 21, 2022, 09:22:03 AM
Has anyone had an email yet offering one? Have they gone out yet today?My mate on the list hasn't had one.
Post by: Chris Smith on June 21, 2022, 10:05:27 AM
Has anyone had an email yet offering one? Have they gone out yet today?
Going on previous seasons they offer so many a day and those people have 5 to 7 days to make a decision
If they have 3000 to sell they’ll obviously offer them to the first 3000 on the waiting list. If they don’t take them all they’ll work down until they’re all taken.
Post by: LeeB on June 21, 2022, 10:09:04 AM
Has anyone had an email yet offering one? Have they gone out yet today?
Going on previous seasons they offer so many a day and those people have 5 to 7 days to make a decision
If they have 3000 to sell they’ll obviously offer them to the first 3000 on the waiting list. If they don’t take them all they’ll work down until they’re all taken.
Could trigger a bidding war
Post by: Towser on June 21, 2022, 10:14:15 AM
Has anyone had an email yet offering one? Have they gone out yet today?Someone on Faceb**k posted this morning he has just bought one, he said he was offered last year but missed the email as it went in his spam, he had an offer again this year and acted this time. He must have been near the top of the list to be offered 2 years running and I am sure I read somewhere you had 3 chances then you would be moved to the bottom of the list if you dont take one of them.
Post by: Kimaster1976 on June 21, 2022, 10:32:28 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on June 21, 2022, 10:40:42 AM
source - https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/football-clubs-slammed-taking-advantage-27275646
Arsenal £927
Tottenham £807
Chelsea £750
Liverpool £685
Newcastle £600
Wolves £590
Bournemouth £550
Brighton £545
Man Utd £532
Villa £531
Crystal Palace £520
Everton £465
Brentford £419
Southampton £399
Fulham £385
Leicester City £385
Notts Forest £385
Leeds £384
Man City £350
West Ham £299
edited to add the Jawdies
Post by: Towser on June 21, 2022, 10:42:25 AM
I have been offered one the last 2 years so I would assume I was near the top of the list and was going to purchase this time, yet haven't been offered one this year.....so maybe you don't get 3 chances?MOMS posted this
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The first invites will be sent out to those at the top of the waiting list giving them a 24-hour window to purchase a season ticket. The invites will be sent in tranches of 500. You will not get a second chance this season should you miss your opportunity. You will stay on the waiting list for next season. Any fan missing three opportunities will be removed from the waiting list and would have to re-apply to join (going to the back of the queue).
Post by: chrisw1 on June 21, 2022, 10:45:12 AM
Post by: Towser on June 21, 2022, 10:49:55 AM
I'd get in touch TowserThank you, but I already have my season ticket chris, info I posted was for Kimaster1976. also, for anyone else asking about the waiting list.
Post by: martyn ellis on June 21, 2022, 11:02:51 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 21, 2022, 11:07:48 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on June 21, 2022, 11:52:48 AM
So according to that list, Newcastle must have been relegated after all. Thank God for that.Newcastle is £600. Post ammended accordingly
Post by: exigo on June 21, 2022, 12:16:03 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 21, 2022, 02:59:49 PM
Cheapest season tickets for 22-23. What this analysis doesn't show is how many available in this category - it's possible for sime clubs it's such a small amount and for the poorest restricted view seats etc which could skew things. Either way, Villa are mddling. Those with the cheapest are obviously the clubs that can't sell out.
source - https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/football-clubs-slammed-taking-advantage-27275646
Very concerning.......for Brizzle City fans. https://www.otib.co.uk/index.php?/topic/217180-poor-villa-supporters/
Post by: astonvilla82 on June 21, 2022, 03:07:26 PM
My adult tickets went from 330 to 470, with a restricted view, not really a bad viewCheapest season tickets for 22-23. What this analysis doesn't show is how many available in this category - it's possible for sime clubs it's such a small amount and for the poorest restricted view seats etc which could skew things. Either way, Villa are mddling. Those with the cheapest are obviously the clubs that can't sell out.
source - https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/football-clubs-slammed-taking-advantage-27275646
Very concerning.......for Brizzle City fans. https://www.otib.co.uk/index.php?/topic/217180-poor-villa-supporters/
Post by: Dazvillain on June 28, 2022, 12:03:36 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 28, 2022, 04:39:23 PM
Post by: Dazvillain on July 05, 2022, 12:07:34 PM
📢 The 4th group of supporters eligible for a 22/23 season ticket will be contacted via email today and have until 12pm on Friday to purchase, subject to availability.
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 05, 2022, 12:15:24 PM
Post by: Ads on July 05, 2022, 12:19:46 PM
Post by: mike on July 05, 2022, 01:18:51 PM
I don't like popcorn or coke
Post by: Leicester_Villian on July 05, 2022, 04:14:54 PM
Club just announced another batch of waiting ST holders to be contacted. This is the 4th go I think so I wonder how many of those been waiting have been declined due to new costs ?
📢 The 4th group of supporters eligible for a 22/23 season ticket will be contacted via email today and have until 12pm on Friday to purchase, subject to availability.
Where have you seen this as nothing on official site
Post by: astonvilla82 on July 05, 2022, 06:06:23 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on July 05, 2022, 06:26:13 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on July 05, 2022, 06:33:41 PM
I’ve never had a response on email, I’d give them a call.just need to tell them about season ticket, don't want to be waiting on phone for ages to contact them and tell them
Post by: Leicester_Villian on July 05, 2022, 09:32:53 PM
Post by: Lucky Eddie on July 05, 2022, 10:16:19 PM
We currently have the rudest and most unprofessional ticket office manager in the history of our club
I find that hard to believe, have you followed the Villa for very long?
Post by: Dazvillain on July 05, 2022, 10:27:47 PM
Club just announced another batch of waiting ST holders to be contacted. This is the 4th go I think so I wonder how many of those been waiting have been declined due to new costs ?
📢 The 4th group of supporters eligible for a 22/23 season ticket will be contacted via email today and have until 12pm on Friday to purchase, subject to availability.
Where have you seen this as nothing on official site
Was tweeted by AVFC support today, I’ll see if I can copy a screenshot here ……
(https://i.ibb.co/GWH1gwX/725-DF7-C1-EDF8-416-C-97-B1-BB17-AA8-C77-E1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GWH1gwX)
Post by: LeeB on July 06, 2022, 10:22:58 AM
We currently have the rudest and most unprofessional ticket office manager in the history of our club
I find that hard to believe, have you followed the Villa for very long?
Anyone that bought away tickets in the late 80's/early 90's will surely remember bumfluff moustache man, the guy who sought to bring the feeling of being a drugs mule attempting to go through customs to buying tickets for football matches.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 06, 2022, 10:25:26 AM
We currently have the rudest and most unprofessional ticket office manager in the history of our club
I find that hard to believe, have you followed the Villa for very long?
Anyone that bought away tickets in the late 80's/early 90's will surely remember bumfluff moustache man, the guy who sought to bring the feeling of being a drugs mule attempting to go through customs to buying tickets for football matches.
What was his name again?
He used to get mentioned on here quite often, decades after his departure.
Post by: LeeB on July 06, 2022, 10:28:54 AM
I bet Doug fucking loved him.
Post by: Leicester_Villian on July 06, 2022, 10:34:23 AM
We currently have the rudest and most unprofessional ticket office manager in the history of our club
I find that hard to believe, have you followed the Villa for very long?
Maybe just over 50 years
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 06, 2022, 10:53:09 AM
Post by: Nev on July 06, 2022, 11:43:18 AM
We currently have the rudest and most unprofessional ticket office manager in the history of our club
I find that hard to believe, have you followed the Villa for very long?
Anyone that bought away tickets in the late 80's/early 90's will surely remember bumfluff moustache man, the guy who sought to bring the feeling of being a drugs mule attempting to go through customs to buying tickets for football matches.
Didn't he have a mullet? Black curly hair like Billy The Fish?
Post by: Dave P on July 06, 2022, 11:50:32 AM
We currently have the rudest and most unprofessional ticket office manager in the history of our club
I find that hard to believe, have you followed the Villa for very long?
Maybe just over 50 years
Did you have a season ticket in the Holte End Lower around 2000-2005 ish? L3?
Post by: LeeB on July 06, 2022, 11:58:45 AM
We currently have the rudest and most unprofessional ticket office manager in the history of our club
I find that hard to believe, have you followed the Villa for very long?
Anyone that bought away tickets in the late 80's/early 90's will surely remember bumfluff moustache man, the guy who sought to bring the feeling of being a drugs mule attempting to go through customs to buying tickets for football matches.
Didn't he have a mullet? Black curly hair like Billy The Fish?
That's the one.
Post by: FrankyH on July 06, 2022, 12:36:04 PM
We currently have the rudest and most unprofessional ticket office manager in the history of our club
I find that hard to believe, have you followed the Villa for very long?
Anyone that bought away tickets in the late 80's/early 90's will surely remember bumfluff moustache man, the guy who sought to bring the feeling of being a drugs mule attempting to go through customs to buying tickets for football matches.
Didn't he have a mullet? Black curly hair like Billy The Fish?
That's the one.
Blimey , remember him , he had a face like a slapped arse . I think the phrase “get a job you like “ was probably invented for him.
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 06, 2022, 01:16:16 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on July 06, 2022, 01:19:12 PM
Post by: Risso on July 06, 2022, 02:29:00 PM
Can we hold that one right there please? Older readers will know why.
Can't remember this one Dave. please elaborate.
Post by: Leicester_Villian on July 06, 2022, 04:13:24 PM
We currently have the rudest and most unprofessional ticket office manager in the history of our club
I find that hard to believe, have you followed the Villa for very long?
Maybe just over 50 years
Did you have a season ticket in the Holte End Lower around 2000-2005 ish? L3?
Pretty certain not ….. was in Trinity Rd from possibly late 90s
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 06, 2022, 04:16:57 PM
Can we hold that one right there please? Older readers will know why.
Can't remember this one Dave. please elaborate.
The young lad was seriously ill and died not long afterwards.
Post by: Risso on July 06, 2022, 04:35:58 PM
Can we hold that one right there please? Older readers will know why.
Can't remember this one Dave. please elaborate.
The young lad was seriously ill and died not long afterwards.
Ah fair enough. Don't remember that.
Post by: Dave P on July 06, 2022, 05:04:34 PM
We currently have the rudest and most unprofessional ticket office manager in the history of our club
I find that hard to believe, have you followed the Villa for very long?
Maybe just over 50 years
Did you have a season ticket in the Holte End Lower around 2000-2005 ish? L3?
Pretty certain not ….. was in Trinity Rd from possibly late 90s
No worries. I used to sit next to a fan from Leicester who said he posted on here with Leicester in his username. Thought it may have been you.
Post by: olaftab on July 06, 2022, 05:16:10 PM
50 years....that's like yesterday. Wait till you have done 100 and then come back and complain.We currently have the rudest and most unprofessional ticket office manager in the history of our club
I find that hard to believe, have you followed the Villa for very long?
Maybe just over 50 years
Post by: Leicester_Villian on July 06, 2022, 07:17:57 PM
50 years....that's like yesterday. Wait till you have done 100 and then come back and complain.We currently have the rudest and most unprofessional ticket office manager in the history of our club
I find that hard to believe, have you followed the Villa for very long?
Maybe just over 50 years
Always one who is downright rude
Post by: Leicester_Villian on July 06, 2022, 07:20:33 PM
Greater interest this year than last even at the higher prices
Post by: Border villan on July 06, 2022, 07:30:28 PM
Just thought I would save someone else the bother.
Post by: Ads on July 06, 2022, 08:12:18 PM
It's a fucking disgrace.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 06, 2022, 08:53:01 PM
Post by: Flin5tone on July 06, 2022, 11:10:29 PM
Post by: Ads on July 06, 2022, 11:23:07 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 07, 2022, 12:06:41 AM
I've heard Villa Live will have a restaurant where you can choose which working class former season ticket holder you want to eat.
Can’t we just volunteer an arm or a leg and deposit the money so we’re primed for when our turn on the waiting list comes up? There would be a bonus in that it would open up the disabled section to working class fans and their carers. Win-win.
Post by: Dogtanian on July 07, 2022, 05:49:26 AM
Sneering at those working class Aston Villa supporters who have been pushed out of seeing their team play because of pure GREED really isn't a good look AT ALL
I don’t think anyone’s sneering, mate. People are just having fun because you bring it up at every opportunity!
Who do you go to matches with? Have your mates had to stop going? And have you relocated to another seat now you are paying more anyway?
Post by: astonvilla82 on July 07, 2022, 02:57:50 PM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on July 07, 2022, 03:44:54 PM
To save money I'm thinking of cutting a hole in the floor of my car and taking the engine out and running under my own steam as it were.
Does anyone have any experience of this form of transport?
Post by: UK Redsox on July 07, 2022, 04:05:40 PM
The working classes can bring sandwiches for halftime,as one lady said let them eat cake
...but not a plastic bottle of water to wash it down with. That'll get confiscated.
Post by: exigo on July 07, 2022, 10:12:49 PM
7901 left free according to the seating plan.
1015 Holte
3725 Trinity
1476 North
1685 Witton Lane
Post by: mike on July 08, 2022, 05:16:19 AM
Sneering at those working class Aston Villa supporters who have been pushed out of seeing their team play because of pure GREED really isn't a good look AT ALL
The greed is pervasive throughout the top tiers of football and it is immoral and disgraceful. I certainly can't afford a season ticket but I don't see that Aston Villa are out of step with other clubs in the league with regard to season ticket prices. Villa are just doing what all the other clubs do because the alternative is to not have the income to compete. I watch the occasional game at Forest Green Rovers and enjoy the 'real' football in lower leagues (not that even that is cheap), however I have no desire to see Villa downsizing to League 1. I'd love to see players on less obscene wages that reflect their true value to society, I'd love to see football free on TV like we used to, I'd love to be able to afford to go to matches like I did when I was a boy, I'd love kits not to be overpriced shite covered in sponsors, etc etc but the reality is we are where we are and Villa are in no way some lone, renegade club ripping the fans off.
Post by: andrew08 on July 08, 2022, 06:45:36 AM
Sometimes it helps to default back to 11 grown men kicking a bladder around for a reality check 😀
Post by: Risso on July 08, 2022, 08:01:25 AM
Sneering at those working class Aston Villa supporters who have been pushed out of seeing their team play because of pure GREED really isn't a good look AT ALL
The greed is pervasive throughout the top tiers of football and it is immoral and disgraceful. I certainly can't afford a season ticket but I don't see that Aston Villa are out of step with other clubs in the league with regard to season ticket prices. Villa are just doing what all the other clubs do because the alternative is to not have the income to compete. I watch the occasional game at Forest Green Rovers and enjoy the 'real' football in lower leagues (not that even that is cheap), however I have no desire to see Villa downsizing to League 1. I'd love to see players on less obscene wages that reflect their true value to society, I'd love to see football free on TV like we used to, I'd love to be able to afford to go to matches like I did when I was a boy, I'd love kits not to be overpriced shite covered in sponsors, etc etc but the reality is we are where we are and Villa are in no way some lone, renegade club ripping the fans off.
Really good post Mike. Football is the one thing where we all "suck it up" a bit, and leave our morals and views to one side a bit. The financial side is hideous and some of the clubs are owned by horrendous people, but it's in our system so we turn a blind eye. As you say, if it gets too much there will always be a local smaller league or non league club grateful for your business.
Post by: UK Redsox on July 08, 2022, 09:30:30 AM
Sneering at those working class Aston Villa supporters who have been pushed out of seeing their team play because of pure GREED really isn't a good look AT ALL
The greed is pervasive throughout the top tiers of football and it is immoral and disgraceful. I certainly can't afford a season ticket but I don't see that Aston Villa are out of step with other clubs in the league with regard to season ticket prices. Villa are just doing what all the other clubs do because the alternative is to not have the income to compete. I watch the occasional game at Forest Green Rovers and enjoy the 'real' football in lower leagues (not that even that is cheap), however I have no desire to see Villa downsizing to League 1. I'd love to see players on less obscene wages that reflect their true value to society, I'd love to see football free on TV like we used to, I'd love to be able to afford to go to matches like I did when I was a boy, I'd love kits not to be overpriced shite covered in sponsors, etc etc but the reality is we are where we are and Villa are in no way some lone, renegade club ripping the fans off.
Good post Mike....until you linked Forest Green with 'real' football
C'mon you Gas :)
Post by: chrisw1 on July 08, 2022, 09:53:38 AM
It would appear that season tickets will be sold out when the next invite is sent out to those on the waiting wait in next few daysHow do you know this LV?
Greater interest this year than last even at the higher prices
Post by: LeeB on July 08, 2022, 10:21:59 AM
Sneering at those working class Aston Villa supporters who have been pushed out of seeing their team play because of pure GREED really isn't a good look AT ALL
The greed is pervasive throughout the top tiers of football and it is immoral and disgraceful. I certainly can't afford a season ticket but I don't see that Aston Villa are out of step with other clubs in the league with regard to season ticket prices. Villa are just doing what all the other clubs do because the alternative is to not have the income to compete. I watch the occasional game at Forest Green Rovers and enjoy the 'real' football in lower leagues (not that even that is cheap), however I have no desire to see Villa downsizing to League 1. I'd love to see players on less obscene wages that reflect their true value to society, I'd love to see football free on TV like we used to, I'd love to be able to afford to go to matches like I did when I was a boy, I'd love kits not to be overpriced shite covered in sponsors, etc etc but the reality is we are where we are and Villa are in no way some lone, renegade club ripping the fans off.
Good post Mike....until you linked Forest Green with 'real' football
C'mon you Gas :)
You'd think with their diet Forest Green would be known as the 'Gas'
Post by: exigo on July 08, 2022, 10:23:36 AM
It would appear that season tickets will be sold out when the next invite is sent out to those on the waiting wait in next few daysHow do you know this LV?
Greater interest this year than last even at the higher prices
You can see the number of seats left on this link. 7901 as of last night.
Pravda seat linky (https://tickets.avfc.co.uk/en-GB/subscriptions/2022-23%20season%20ticket?hallmap)
Post by: LeeB on July 08, 2022, 10:34:26 AM
It would appear that season tickets will be sold out when the next invite is sent out to those on the waiting wait in next few daysHow do you know this LV?
Greater interest this year than last even at the higher prices
You can see the number of seats left on this link. 7901 as of last night.
Pravda seat linky (https://tickets.avfc.co.uk/en-GB/subscriptions/2022-23%20season%20ticket?hallmap)
Flin5tone, what's the score?
Flin5tone, Flin5tone what's the score?
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 08, 2022, 10:39:49 AM
Sneering at those working class Aston Villa supporters who have been pushed out of seeing their team play because of pure GREED really isn't a good look AT ALL
The greed is pervasive throughout the top tiers of football and it is immoral and disgraceful. I certainly can't afford a season ticket but I don't see that Aston Villa are out of step with other clubs in the league with regard to season ticket prices. Villa are just doing what all the other clubs do because the alternative is to not have the income to compete. I watch the occasional game at Forest Green Rovers and enjoy the 'real' football in lower leagues (not that even that is cheap), however I have no desire to see Villa downsizing to League 1. I'd love to see players on less obscene wages that reflect their true value to society, I'd love to see football free on TV like we used to, I'd love to be able to afford to go to matches like I did when I was a boy, I'd love kits not to be overpriced shite covered in sponsors, etc etc but the reality is we are where we are and Villa are in no way some lone, renegade club ripping the fans off.
Good post Mike....until you linked Forest Green with 'real' football
C'mon you Gas :)
You'd think with their diet Forest Green would be known as the 'Gas'
Judging by the number of times Archbishop posts in the shitter thread, I suspect that's the least of their problems.
Post by: Leicester_Villian on July 08, 2022, 11:29:43 AM
It would appear that season tickets will be sold out when the next invite is sent out to those on the waiting wait in next few daysHow do you know this LV?
Greater interest this year than last even at the higher prices
I had a conversation with the ticket office manager on Wednesday
Post by: Dogtanian on July 12, 2022, 03:46:39 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 12, 2022, 03:49:30 PM
Post by: Dave P on July 12, 2022, 04:04:24 PM
Post by: Drummond on July 12, 2022, 04:07:20 PM
Just announced - Season Ticket Holders Officially Sold Out ;D
Fixed that for Wilma.
I can't believe people renewed instead of standing in solidarity with their less well-off Tier 6 comrades.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 12, 2022, 04:39:07 PM
Post by: Gareth on July 12, 2022, 04:56:07 PM
Post by: Flin5tone on July 12, 2022, 10:23:47 PM
And those of you celebrating selling out season tickets have some bloody respect for those that won't see us live who were there in the Championship. I never said we would not sell out I said the 'waiting list' was hyped up to bring in their elimination of those in zone 6 .
Post by: Dogtanian on July 12, 2022, 10:31:59 PM
Post by: Clampy on July 12, 2022, 10:33:44 PM
Have some decency about you, mocking the working class and families who were PUSHED OUT by Purslow and our Billionaire owners
And those of you celebrating selling out season tickets have some bloody respect for those that won't see us live who were there in the Championship. I never said we would not sell out I said the 'waiting list' was hyped up to bring in their elimination of those in zone 6 .
You ok hun?
Post by: FrankyH on July 12, 2022, 10:33:58 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on July 12, 2022, 10:37:52 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 12, 2022, 10:39:54 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on July 12, 2022, 10:40:47 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 12, 2022, 10:54:56 PM
Have some decency about you, mocking the working class and families who were PUSHED OUT by Purslow and our Billionaire owners
And those of you celebrating selling out season tickets have some bloody respect for those that won't see us live who were there in the Championship. I never said we would not sell out I said the 'waiting list' was hyped up to bring in their elimination of those in zone 6 .
We’re not mocking the working class.
We’re mocking you.
Post by: astonvilla82 on July 12, 2022, 11:51:15 PM
haven't done any work this week , been watching Dowton Abbey old chap, those were the days, Carson get me a whiskey nowHave some decency about you, mocking the working class and families who were PUSHED OUT by Purslow and our Billionaire owners
And those of you celebrating selling out season tickets have some bloody respect for those that won't see us live who were there in the Championship. I never said we would not sell out I said the 'waiting list' was hyped up to bring in their elimination of those in zone 6 .
We’re not mocking the working class.
We’re mocking you.
Post by: PeterWithe on July 13, 2022, 12:17:47 AM
Post by: Kimaster1976 on July 13, 2022, 06:12:07 AM
The reason I ask is that I managed to get a season ticket this year after being on the waiting list, but unbeknown to me my membership was on auto renew so they have took another £42 out today so now I have both.
Is it worth emailing them to request a refund for the membership you think or is there any advantage for having both?
Post by: Mister E on July 13, 2022, 08:18:15 AM
Harrogate Town are known as the Sulphurites, if that helps at all.You'd think with their diet Forest Green would be known as the 'Gas'Sneering at those working class Aston Villa supporters who have been pushed out of seeing their team play because of pure GREED really isn't a good look AT ALL
The greed is pervasive throughout the top tiers of football and it is immoral and disgraceful. I certainly can't afford a season ticket but I don't see that Aston Villa are out of step with other clubs in the league with regard to season ticket prices. Villa are just doing what all the other clubs do because the alternative is to not have the income to compete. I watch the occasional game at Forest Green Rovers and enjoy the 'real' football in lower leagues (not that even that is cheap), however I have no desire to see Villa downsizing to League 1. I'd love to see players on less obscene wages that reflect their true value to society, I'd love to see football free on TV like we used to, I'd love to be able to afford to go to matches like I did when I was a boy, I'd love kits not to be overpriced shite covered in sponsors, etc etc but the reality is we are where we are and Villa are in no way some lone, renegade club ripping the fans off.
Good post Mike....until you linked Forest Green with 'real' football
C'mon you Gas :)
Post by: UK Redsox on July 13, 2022, 09:29:45 AM
Do season ticket holders also purchase a membership, is there any point to that?
The reason I ask is that I managed to get a season ticket this year after being on the waiting list, but unbeknown to me my membership was on auto renew so they have took another £42 out today so now I have both.
Is it worth emailing them to request a refund for the membership you think or is there any advantage for having both?
Not sure exactly what membership you're referring to.
If it's the one that give you online access to the pre-season games etc, that service is not included with the main Season Ticket
Post by: Dave P on July 13, 2022, 09:36:38 AM
Do season ticket holders also purchase a membership, is there any point to that?
The reason I ask is that I managed to get a season ticket this year after being on the waiting list, but unbeknown to me my membership was on auto renew so they have took another £42 out today so now I have both.
Is it worth emailing them to request a refund for the membership you think or is there any advantage for having both?
Apart from the odd free gift such as a scarf and pin badge, the main benefit of membership is early access to home games so I can't see any real reason to have both.
Post by: chrisw1 on July 13, 2022, 09:51:08 AM
Have some decency about you, mocking the working class and families who were PUSHED OUT by Purslow and our Billionaire owners
And those of you celebrating selling out season tickets have some bloody respect for those that won't see us live who were there in the Championship. I never said we would not sell out I said the 'waiting list' was hyped up to bring in their elimination of those in zone 6 . l
Hi Flin - just my regular reminder that we have the 10th cheapest season tickets in the Premier League. It's also good that working class people in other Zones didn't have to suffer bigger increases to cross fund the NON MEANS TESTED tickets in the previous Zone 6.
I know you never respond to posts, but hopefully this will make you feel better. Have a great day.
Post by: chrisw1 on July 13, 2022, 09:52:55 AM
Yep no point whatsoever - just some very cheap tat. Spend your money on a decent scarf if you want one.Do season ticket holders also purchase a membership, is there any point to that?
The reason I ask is that I managed to get a season ticket this year after being on the waiting list, but unbeknown to me my membership was on auto renew so they have took another £42 out today so now I have both.
Is it worth emailing them to request a refund for the membership you think or is there any advantage for having both?
Apart from the odd free gift such as a scarf and pin badge, the main benefit of membership is early access to home games so I can't see any real reason to have both.
Post by: Flin5tone on July 13, 2022, 09:55:08 AM
They were also priced affordable because you had a poor view/got wet/poor leg room etc
These were accepted as you were getting a very well priced seat
I don't care what anyone says the treatment of those in zone 6 is unethical and a disgrace
Post by: Ads on July 13, 2022, 10:03:01 AM
Withington Red remains my favourite troll.
Post by: Dave P on July 13, 2022, 10:12:02 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on July 13, 2022, 10:13:13 AM
You're boring us now. Get some new material.In fairness he's answering my post.
Withington Red remains my favourite troll.
Flin - I know for a fact that there were loads of people in the cheapest seats who were not the poorest fans. The % increase is of course huge and I agree they could probably have staggered it, but I don't necessarily disagree with bring more balance to the pricing structure.
I guess they wanted to do it in one go as the optics of kicking people out the North for the redev and then asking for a huge increase on their tickkets at the same time would have been bad, so they decided to take the pain now.
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 13, 2022, 10:23:36 AM
Have some decency about you, mocking the working class and families who were PUSHED OUT by Purslow and our Billionaire owners
And those of you celebrating selling out season tickets have some bloody respect for those that won't see us live who were there in the Championship. I never said we would not sell out I said the 'waiting list' was hyped up to bring in their elimination of those in zone 6 . l
Hi Flin - just my regular reminder that we have the 10th cheapest season tickets in the Premier League.
Playing devil’s advocate more than agreeing with Flin, but we are charging top 10 Premier League season ticket prices yet we haven’t finished top 10 in the Premier League for over a decade.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 13, 2022, 10:26:19 AM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 13, 2022, 10:26:50 AM
You're boring us now. Get some new material.In fairness he's answering my post.
Withington Red remains my favourite troll.
Flin - I know for a fact that there were loads of people in the cheapest seats who were not the poorest fans. The % increase is of course huge and I agree they could probably have staggered it, but I don't necessarily disagree with bring more balance to the pricing structure.
I guess they wanted to do it in one go as the optics of kicking people out the North for the redev and then asking for a huge increase on their tickkets at the same time would have been bad, so they decided to take the pain now.
When we got relegated, I moved to the cheapest seats out of spite.
Post by: chrisw1 on July 13, 2022, 10:27:40 AM
Have some decency about you, mocking the working class and families who were PUSHED OUT by Purslow and our Billionaire owners
And those of you celebrating selling out season tickets have some bloody respect for those that won't see us live who were there in the Championship. I never said we would not sell out I said the 'waiting list' was hyped up to bring in their elimination of those in zone 6 . l
Hi Flin - just my regular reminder that we have the 10th cheapest season tickets in the Premier League.
Playing devil’s advocate more than agreeing with Flin, but we are charging top 10 Premier League season ticket prices yet we haven’t finished top 10 in the Premier League for over a decade.
That's true, but we've spent like a top 4 club tbf. I also think we'll be addressing this point this season.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 13, 2022, 10:27:47 AM
Post by: amfy on July 13, 2022, 02:03:24 PM
They were also priced affordable because you had a poor view/got wet/poor leg room etc
My zone 4 season ticket seat is literally 3 seats along from the old zone 6. I’ve stood in L8 & the view is fine, the leg room the same as the rest of the Holte, & the shape of the roof means that the whole of the front of the Lower Holte gets wet when it rains..
Post by: LeeB on July 13, 2022, 02:10:05 PM
Post by: amfy on July 13, 2022, 02:17:46 PM
Post by: LeeB on July 13, 2022, 02:30:00 PM
Me too! ….but when the General was here & I suggested we extended that partition across the outside of the Lower Holte for better shelter, everyone told me he had more important things to think about! (Like ours and stuff)
Yeah, like letters from Siralex.
I'm one of the zone 6 'survivors', as we'd like to be known going forward, that our friend is so vociferously campaigning for. My seat is on the back row of the North Stand, has a fantastic view and also a back parcel shelf behind it to place coats, food and drink, undocumented migrants etc.
My row and the four rows in front were categorised as such, and I've no idea what the motivation for the policy was unless it was designed by someone with cardiovasculour issues, as I see no disadvantage in sitting there from anywhere else in the stand.
And I'm absolutely guaranteed not to get wet.
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on July 13, 2022, 03:29:13 PM
Do season ticket holders also purchase a membership, is there any point to that?I used to have 'Claret Membership' in order to get the (limited) priority on tickets. I was also on the ST waiting list.
The reason I ask is that I managed to get a season ticket this year after being on the waiting list, but unbeknown to me my membership was on auto renew so they have took another £42 out today so now I have both.
Is it worth emailing them to request a refund for the membership you think or is there any advantage for having both?
The Claret Membership renewed automatically last summer and then a few days later I was advised that I could apply for a ST - which I did. I emailed to cancel the Claret Membership and they refunded me in a few days. Actually decent service. UTV.
Post by: Flin5tone on July 13, 2022, 07:53:32 PM
I guess category A games in the Trinity Road central could well be priced at £65 next season
Post by: Border villan on July 13, 2022, 07:58:08 PM
Power to the proletariat.
Post by: olaftab on July 13, 2022, 08:07:40 PM
To be fair, I hate it when I get wet/poor leg.But it's really nice for about 15 seconds.
Post by: Border villan on July 13, 2022, 08:22:36 PM
To be fair, I hate it when I get wet/poor leg.But it's really nice for about 15 seconds.
Only if it is you who caused it.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 14, 2022, 10:57:53 AM
Me too! ….but when the General was here & I suggested we extended that partition across the outside of the Lower Holte for better shelter, everyone told me he had more important things to think about! (Like ours and stuff)
Yeah, like letters from Siralex.
I'm one of the zone 6 'survivors', as we'd like to be known going forward, that our friend is so vociferously campaigning for. My seat is on the back row of the North Stand, has a fantastic view and also a back parcel shelf behind it to place coats, food and drink, undocumented migrants etc.
My row and the four rows in front were categorised as such, and I've no idea what the motivation for the policy was unless it was designed by someone with cardiovasculour issues, as I see no disadvantage in sitting there from anywhere else in the stand.
And I'm absolutely guaranteed not to get wet.
And by the time you get out, you've seen what Villa Park looks like when it's deserted. Bonus!
Post by: LeeB on July 14, 2022, 11:13:24 AM
Actually that's one of the things on the new plans that didn't get much mention but did impress me, the fact they're creating proper access around the ground, the existing access at the North Stand rear is a joke before and after the game, hundreds of people in both directions having to squeeze between parked cars as there's no alternative.
I'd also be pretty pissed off if I was paying to park my nice shiny car there only to have various denim studs dragging across the paintwork.
Post by: Dogtanian on July 14, 2022, 05:36:47 PM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/14/ticketing-on-sale-dates-for-2022-23/ (https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/14/ticketing-on-sale-dates-for-2022-23/)
Post by: manic-road on July 14, 2022, 06:19:43 PM
On sale dates out:
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/14/ticketing-on-sale-dates-for-2022-23/ (https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/14/ticketing-on-sale-dates-for-2022-23/)
Leicester cat A !!
Post by: Clampy on July 14, 2022, 06:27:14 PM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on July 14, 2022, 07:01:05 PM
Category B games range from £35 to £44.
I know of a sth who won't be able to attend all the home games and who's willing to sell on for a fraction of these prices.
It would certainly be worth match-to-match
purchasers getting to know someone like this.
Post by: Dave P on July 14, 2022, 07:27:14 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 14, 2022, 07:30:27 PM
Didn't we have a Cat C last season?
Yes, and you don't have to live in Bedrock to say there's some serious price gouging here.
Post by: Dazvillain on July 14, 2022, 10:54:35 PM
Have many non ST holders gone for the membership option this year ?
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 14, 2022, 11:11:22 PM
Didn't we have a Cat C last season?
It got scrapped due to the "simplification" of ticketing pricing. And Villa value games long since gone unless we had one last season and I missed it.
35 quid now the cheapest to watch a game in any standard part of VP (I assume a few restricted view seats will pop up and perhaps they'll still be in 30 quid range perhaps). Last season you could be in lower North for 25 quid so it's a real hike in less desirable parts of the stadium.
Can't say I'll bother with Cat A games as matchday prices are insane for games we rarely win. Will pick and choose Cat B games.
Club hiking ticket prices in cost of living crisis isn't great optics. Guess it's a case of ground extension is starting in 12 months so capacity will be reduced by more than 10% and they want to recoup that over this season.
One thing's for sure though....if they're saying they're raising prices due to our tickets previous being cheaper than likes of Wolves and Leicester....well we need to be winning stuff and qualifying for europe in near future like both have done in last five seasons as finishing 14th isn't going to really cut it.
Post by: nordenvillain on July 15, 2022, 12:14:11 AM
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 15, 2022, 12:22:57 AM
Not supporting or justifying the new ticket prices, but have you seen Fulham's prices for this coming season for home supporters ? Eye watering, I think the cheapest is £65.
This is a good article on that very subjct:
https://www.football365.com/news/opinion-fulham-prices-increases-part-two-tourists-and-casual-fans-pay-the-price
Post by: Dogtanian on July 15, 2022, 05:38:51 AM
Staff, fuel, energy, food, policing, everything has gone up in price.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on July 15, 2022, 09:01:27 AM
My question is, as a season ticket holder, are there ANY benefits to holding this membership, or are the club taking even more piss than they have this summer with pricing of everything?
Post by: Dogtanian on July 15, 2022, 09:05:46 AM
Do season ticket holders also purchase a membership, is there any point to that?I used to have 'Claret Membership' in order to get the (limited) priority on tickets. I was also on the ST waiting list.
The reason I ask is that I managed to get a season ticket this year after being on the waiting list, but unbeknown to me my membership was on auto renew so they have took another £42 out today so now I have both.
Is it worth emailing them to request a refund for the membership you think or is there any advantage for having both?
The Claret Membership renewed automatically last summer and then a few days later I was advised that I could apply for a ST - which I did. I emailed to cancel the Claret Membership and they refunded me in a few days. Actually decent service. UTV.
Some stuff earlier in the thread on this.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on July 15, 2022, 09:09:28 AM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on July 15, 2022, 09:14:57 AM
[EDIT]
Got through to twitter AVFC support (who are REALLY good).... For anyone else in the same boat, the email address for membership support is: membership.help@avfc.co.uk
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 15, 2022, 09:39:43 AM
Post by: amfy on July 15, 2022, 09:44:32 AM
When I want a ticket for my nephew, I use the adult claret membership to get a seat with him, as that window opens before the one for extra seats for ST holders. Then the other adult has my usual seat!
Post by: chrisw1 on July 15, 2022, 09:47:53 AM
I’ve got claret memberships for 2 other family members ( well - one junior & one claret) & I wouldn’t be able to get tickets for other people without them.Once the relevant window for members is open they wil let you swap your ST seat for the game to sit next to the person you're buying a ticket for - so in theory you should all be able to sit together. That's what I do if my daughter wants to come.
When I want a ticket for my nephew, I use the adult claret membership to get a seat with him, as that window opens before the one for extra seats for ST holders. Then the other adult has my usual seat!
Post by: Flin5tone on July 15, 2022, 09:55:58 AM
We won't sell out all matches like we didn't last season.
The club have lost sight of reality and I'm disgusted to be honest .
Post by: Dogtanian on July 15, 2022, 09:58:47 AM
New match day pricing proves again they are driving out the working person and families.
We won't sell out all matches like we didn't last season.
The club have lost sight of reality and I'm disgusted to be honest .
You still paid it though, so you can't be that disgusted. Or will we see your seat empty as you picket the ground in protest first game of the season? :P
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 15, 2022, 10:51:58 AM
New match day pricing proves again they are driving out the working person and families.
We won't sell out all matches like we didn't last season.
The club have lost sight of reality and I'm disgusted to be honest .
They didn't sell out some matches as the away sections weren't always filled that's the reality which the club have a full grasp of.
Post by: Ads on July 15, 2022, 10:53:27 AM
The prices are very high, although the club will turn round and say our top price is still 50% cheaper than Fulham. While that might be true, it just indicates the problem is systemic.
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 15, 2022, 10:57:20 AM
Don't get sucked into the whoppers trolling.
The prices are very high, although the club will turn round and say our top price is still 50% cheaper than Fulham. While that might be true, it just indicates the problem is systemic.
Fulham have something like 2,000 matchday tickets available.
Post by: Flin5tone on July 15, 2022, 10:57:57 AM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on July 15, 2022, 11:05:58 AM
Nope we had two games in December that did not sell out in HOME section . Will happen again with those prices.
That's probably more to do with Covid than ticket prices. I didn't attend the games around xmas for fear of getting infected and missing out on xmas with the family - Not like I missed out on anything as we were utter garbage too!
Post by: chrisw1 on July 15, 2022, 11:55:11 AM
That said, I'd guess the prices are fairly average for the PL?
Post by: amfy on July 15, 2022, 11:59:13 AM
I’ve got claret memberships for 2 other family members ( well - one junior & one claret) & I wouldn’t be able to get tickets for other people without them.Once the relevant window for members is open they wil let you swap your ST seat for the game to sit next to the person you're buying a ticket for - so in theory you should all be able to sit together. That's what I do if my daughter wants to come.
When I want a ticket for my nephew, I use the adult claret membership to get a seat with him, as that window opens before the one for extra seats for ST holders. Then the other adult has my usual seat!
Whwnnthe junior membership window opens I can only buy tickets for cubs and members. It opens online at 5pm and there is no option to switch my season ticket online so I use the claret membership to buy whilst there’s still a decent selection of seats, then switch it with my season ticket when the office opens.
Post by: Border villan on July 15, 2022, 12:19:47 PM
New match day pricing proves again they are driving out the working person and families.
We won't sell out all matches like we didn't last season.
The club have lost sight of reality and I'm disgusted to be honest .
No wonder the country is in a mess if there is only a working person, what are the rest doing?
Post by: Flin5tone on July 15, 2022, 12:56:07 PM
For the many not the few
Post by: Chris Smith on July 15, 2022, 01:20:30 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 15, 2022, 01:30:38 PM
Nope we had two games in December that did not sell out in HOME section .
No we didn't.
Post by: LeeB on July 15, 2022, 02:45:29 PM
Mock me all you want I know what I stand for and know what's happening . Purslow is out of touch with the workers and families of our fan base , he is typical of the elitists we have running the country and the world. There's a reason they had to get Corbyn out because he was too close to the truth
For the many not the few
You've suddenly gone up in my estimation.
Post by: Dave P on July 15, 2022, 03:01:59 PM
Nope we had two games in December that did not sell out in HOME section .
No we didn't.
I think he was basing it on about 10 tickets that were available for the Man City game about 3 days before and he's used this as his crux of the argument ever since.
Post by: mike on July 15, 2022, 03:30:47 PM
Mock me all you want I know what I stand for and know what's happening . Purslow is out of touch with the workers and families of our fan base , he is typical of the elitists we have running the country and the world. There's a reason they had to get Corbyn out because he was too close to the truth
For the many not the few
If our tickets were more extra expensive than the other clubs you’d have a point. The problem is the whole system and Purslow is only doing what every other CEO is doing so it is unfair to single him out. Football is still primarily attended by what you outdatedly call the working classes who accept and participate in this mad and immoral thing football has become, aggrieved to be paying over the odds but not seeing the obscenity of the money involved at every level from owners to media to agents to players. A few quid on a ticket is fuck all given the big picture.
As someone who grew up on a council estate, is a Labour Party member and socialist, my view is that the world has moved on since the three tier class system. Some in Labour’s failure to accept a shade of nuance is not helpful. We live in a high tech society that is nothing like my childhood. My council estate emptied of working class people and filled with Thatcher’s dispossessed and left behind. Traditional working class jobs have all but disappeared. The issue in football is the obscene exploitation of the game across the world, which itself is only a symptom of a developed world where people see no moral ambiguity in buying cheap stuff from China, a monstrously despotic and dangerous regime undermining British industry. These goods are sold via companies that avoid tax and treat their employees like shit. While Amazon don’t pay the taxes that should be funding our public services, Bezos has so much money he is able to fly into fucking space. The ‘working class’ is wholly complicit in all of this because there is no political leadership anywhere in the world to convince them they are acting against their own interests. Peddling 1980’s policies in 2022 is failing to address the real issues and allowing the Bezos/Musk übercapitalists and Tory elitists to get away with it.
Post by: LeeB on July 15, 2022, 03:33:29 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on July 15, 2022, 03:34:41 PM
Mock me all you want I know what I stand for and know what's happening . Purslow is out of touch with the workers and families of our fan base , he is typical of the elitists we have running the country and the world. There's a reason they had to get Corbyn out because he was too close to the truth
For the many not the few
If our tickets were more extra expensive than the other clubs you’d have a point. The problem is the whole system and Purslow is only doing what every other CEO is doing so it is unfair to single him out. Football is still primarily attended by what you outdatedly call the working classes who accept and participate in this mad and immoral thing football has become, aggrieved to be paying over the odds but not seeing the obscenity of the money involved at every level from owners to media to agents to players. A few whir on a ticket is fuck all given the big picture.
As someone who grew up on a council estate, is a Labour Party member and socialist, my view is that the world has moved on since the three tier class system. Some in Labour’s failure to accept a shade of nuance is not helpful. We live in a high tech society that is nothing like my childhood. My council estate emptied of working class people and filled with Thatcher’s dispossessed and left behind. Traditional working class jobs have all but disappeared. The issue in football is the obscene exploitation of the game across the world, which itself is only a symptom of a developed world where people see no moral ambiguity in buying cheap stuff from China, a monstrously despotic and dangerous regime sold via companies that avoid tax and treat their employees like shit. While Amazon don’t pay the taxes that should be funding our public services while Bezos has so much money he is able to fly into fucking space. The ‘working class’ is wholly complicit in all of this because there is no political leadership anywhere in the world to oppose it. Peddling 1980’s policies in 2022 is failing to address the real issues and allowing the Bezos/Musk übercapitalists and Tory elitists to get away with it.
Well said.
Post by: Risso on July 15, 2022, 04:01:58 PM
What false advertising is this?!
Quote
The cheapest way for Villa supporters to watch all three fixtures on the club’s pre-season tour of Australia is with a VillaTV match pack – available now!
Villa fans can pick up a match pack now for our three tour fixtures against Leeds United, Brisbane Roar and Manchester United for £17.99.
3 matches at £5.99 is £17.97! Never mind the season tickets for the proletariat scandal Flinstone, get on this 3p blatant ripping off of the fans! Purslow out!!!111
Post by: Flin5tone on July 15, 2022, 04:37:09 PM
Mock me all you want I know what I stand for and know what's happening . Purslow is out of touch with the workers and families of our fan base , he is typical of the elitists we have running the country and the world. There's a reason they had to get Corbyn out because he was too close to the truth
For the many not the few
If our tickets were more extra expensive than the other clubs you’d have a point. The problem is the whole system and Purslow is only doing what every other CEO is doing so it is unfair to single him out. Football is still primarily attended by what you outdatedly call the working classes who accept and participate in this mad and immoral thing football has become, aggrieved to be paying over the odds but not seeing the obscenity of the money involved at every level from owners to media to agents to players. A few whir on a ticket is fuck all given the big picture.
As someone who grew up on a council estate, is a Labour Party member and socialist, my view is that the world has moved on since the three tier class system. Some in Labour’s failure to accept a shade of nuance is not helpful. We live in a high tech society that is nothing like my childhood. My council estate emptied of working class people and filled with Thatcher’s dispossessed and left behind. Traditional working class jobs have all but disappeared. The issue in football is the obscene exploitation of the game across the world, which itself is only a symptom of a developed world where people see no moral ambiguity in buying cheap stuff from China, a monstrously despotic and dangerous regime sold via companies that avoid tax and treat their employees like shit. While Amazon don’t pay the taxes that should be funding our public services while Bezos has so much money he is able to fly into fucking space. The ‘working class’ is wholly complicit in all of this because there is no political leadership anywhere in the world to oppose it. Peddling 1980’s policies in 2022 is failing to address the real issues and allowing the Bezos/Musk übercapitalists and Tory elitists to get away with it.
Well said.
I agree with most of that
I'd just hope that we were a little in touch with our community and fans and didn't feel the need to charge £59 for a child to attend a Football match.
As for the VillaTV garbage , at least let Season Card Holders/members or infarct anyone watch for free
They're trying to get every last penny out of us and it's a disgrace!
Post by: Drummond on July 15, 2022, 04:43:54 PM
What false advertising is this?!QuoteThe cheapest way for Villa supporters to watch all three fixtures on the club’s pre-season tour of Australia is with a VillaTV match pack – available now!
Villa fans can pick up a match pack now for our three tour fixtures against Leeds United, Brisbane Roar and Manchester United for £17.99.
3 matches at £5.99 is £17.97! Never mind the season tickets for the proletariat scandal Flinstone, get on this 3p blatant ripping off of the fans! Purslow out!!!111
3p? If you're that far out percentage-wise on everything....... ;)
Post by: Dogtanian on July 15, 2022, 05:02:00 PM
I agree with most of that
I'd just hope that we were a little in touch with our community and fans and didn't feel the need to charge £59 for a child to attend a Football match.
As for the VillaTV garbage , at least let Season Card Holders/members or infarct anyone watch for free
They're trying to get every last penny out of us and it's a disgrace!
Well, you are a little selective with your facts… Zone 1 is the premium zone and the smallest in total. The vast majority of children will be watching for less than half that at the most.
Post by: Border villan on July 15, 2022, 05:08:29 PM
Mock me all you want I know what I stand for and know what's happening . Purslow is out of touch with the workers and families of our fan base , he is typical of the elitists we have running the country and the world. There's a reason they had to get Corbyn out because he was too close to the truth
For the many not the few
No standing allowed at Villa Park.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 15, 2022, 05:15:37 PM
Post by: Risso on July 15, 2022, 05:17:41 PM
What false advertising is this?!QuoteThe cheapest way for Villa supporters to watch all three fixtures on the club’s pre-season tour of Australia is with a VillaTV match pack – available now!
Villa fans can pick up a match pack now for our three tour fixtures against Leeds United, Brisbane Roar and Manchester United for £17.99.
3 matches at £5.99 is £17.97! Never mind the season tickets for the proletariat scandal Flinstone, get on this 3p blatant ripping off of the fans! Purslow out!!!111
3p? If you're that far out percentage-wise on everything....... ;)
For the pack to be cheaper than buying three individual matches, it would need to be reduced by 3p. :)
Post by: olaftab on July 15, 2022, 05:42:05 PM
Post by: DC1874 on July 15, 2022, 05:48:37 PM
"If our tickets were more extra expensive than the other clubs you’d have a point. The problem is the whole system and Purslow is only doing what every other CEO is doing so it is unfair to single him out. Football is still primarily attended by what you outdatedly call the working classes who accept and participate in this mad and immoral thing football has become, aggrieved to be paying over the odds but not seeing the obscenity of the money involved at every level from owners to media to agents to players. A few quid on a ticket is fuck all given the big picture.
As someone who grew up on a council estate, is a Labour Party member and socialist, my view is that the world has moved on since the three tier class system. Some in Labour’s failure to accept a shade of nuance is not helpful. We live in a high tech society that is nothing like my childhood. My council estate emptied of working class people and filled with Thatcher’s dispossessed and left behind. Traditional working class jobs have all but disappeared. The issue in football is the obscene exploitation of the game across the world, which itself is only a symptom of a developed world where people see no moral ambiguity in buying cheap stuff from China, a monstrously despotic and dangerous regime undermining British industry. These goods are sold via companies that avoid tax and treat their employees like shit. While Amazon don’t pay the taxes that should be funding our public services, Bezos has so much money he is able to fly into fucking space. The ‘working class’ is wholly complicit in all of this because there is no political leadership anywhere in the world to convince them they are acting against their own interests. Peddling 1980’s policies in 2022 is failing to address the real issues and allowing the Bezos/Musk übercapitalists and Tory elitists to get away with it."
Post by: mike on July 15, 2022, 07:29:47 PM
Mock me all you want I know what I stand for and know what's happening . Purslow is out of touch with the workers and families of our fan base , he is typical of the elitists we have running the country and the world. There's a reason they had to get Corbyn out because he was too close to the truth
For the many not the few
If our tickets were more extra expensive than the other clubs you’d have a point. The problem is the whole system and Purslow is only doing what every other CEO is doing so it is unfair to single him out. Football is still primarily attended by what you outdatedly call the working classes who accept and participate in this mad and immoral thing football has become, aggrieved to be paying over the odds but not seeing the obscenity of the money involved at every level from owners to media to agents to players. A few whir on a ticket is fuck all given the big picture.
As someone who grew up on a council estate, is a Labour Party member and socialist, my view is that the world has moved on since the three tier class system. Some in Labour’s failure to accept a shade of nuance is not helpful. We live in a high tech society that is nothing like my childhood. My council estate emptied of working class people and filled with Thatcher’s dispossessed and left behind. Traditional working class jobs have all but disappeared. The issue in football is the obscene exploitation of the game across the world, which itself is only a symptom of a developed world where people see no moral ambiguity in buying cheap stuff from China, a monstrously despotic and dangerous regime sold via companies that avoid tax and treat their employees like shit. While Amazon don’t pay the taxes that should be funding our public services while Bezos has so much money he is able to fly into fucking space. The ‘working class’ is wholly complicit in all of this because there is no political leadership anywhere in the world to oppose it. Peddling 1980’s policies in 2022 is failing to address the real issues and allowing the Bezos/Musk übercapitalists and Tory elitists to get away with it.
Well said.
I agree with most of that
I'd just hope that we were a little in touch with our community and fans and didn't feel the need to charge £59 for a child to attend a Football match.
As for the VillaTV garbage , at least let Season Card Holders/members or infarct anyone watch for free
They're trying to get every last penny out of us and it's a disgrace!
We could but it would put us out of step with other clubs. I've never been more proud of Villa than when we had Acorns on our shirt, but that is generally viewed now as naive. My wish list would not be a few cheaper seats or deals, which is barely papering over a minor crack. It would be things like to ban sponsors, introduce a wage cap, statutory standard affordable ticket prices for all clubs, all matches free to view on TV, pay footballers sensible wages, curb agents, shirts to cost what they're worth, etc etc, but as that is as much a pipe dream of how I would like business to be regulated, public services to be run and the country to be governed, I reluctantly accept that Villa, much as I love them, have the same despicably immoral business model as the other 19 clubs in the league as if they don't they will be in League Two before you know it.
Post by: Gareth on July 15, 2022, 07:51:46 PM
You're not really standing for anything if your principled idea of showing solidarity with the affected is to renew anyway. You've become part of your own problem.Exactly, it was like the Man Utd fans wearing their Norwich scarves whilst attending the game, in their replica shirt, drinking a club sold coke, eating a club sold burger….words are one thing but only real action that isnt just whinging is not to renew.
Post by: Clampy on July 16, 2022, 07:31:48 AM
Post by: mike on July 16, 2022, 10:02:49 AM
I'm quite amused at Wilma saying that the club are trying to squeeze every last penny out of supporters whilst suggesting the club should have put together a package deal to take fans to a freindly in Australia.
I'd also suggest that taking the moral high ground would preclude accepting any package the club put together given the massive carbon footprint of all those teams flying half way around the world to Australia for friendlies that could just as easily be played closer to the UK, if not actually in it.
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 16, 2022, 10:58:20 AM
Can't disagree with Mike's comments earlier in this thread!
"If our tickets were more extra expensive than the other clubs you’d have a point. The problem is the whole system and Purslow is only doing what every other CEO is doing so it is unfair to single him out. Football is still primarily attended by what you outdatedly call the working classes who accept and participate in this mad and immoral thing football has become, aggrieved to be paying over the odds but not seeing the obscenity of the money involved at every level from owners to media to agents to players. A few quid on a ticket is fuck all given the big picture.
As someone who grew up on a council estate, is a Labour Party member and socialist, my view is that the world has moved on since the three tier class system. Some in Labour’s failure to accept a shade of nuance is not helpful. We live in a high tech society that is nothing like my childhood. My council estate emptied of working class people and filled with Thatcher’s dispossessed and left behind. Traditional working class jobs have all but disappeared. The issue in football is the obscene exploitation of the game across the world, which itself is only a symptom of a developed world where people see no moral ambiguity in buying cheap stuff from China, a monstrously despotic and dangerous regime undermining British industry. These goods are sold via companies that avoid tax and treat their employees like shit. While Amazon don’t pay the taxes that should be funding our public services, Bezos has so much money he is able to fly into fucking space. The ‘working class’ is wholly complicit in all of this because there is no political leadership anywhere in the world to convince them they are acting against their own interests. Peddling 1980’s policies in 2022 is failing to address the real issues and allowing the Bezos/Musk übercapitalists and Tory elitists to get away with it."
Really interesting analysis DC. I too grew up in a inner city council estate in Birmingham, mum and dad never owned a car let alone a house. Im also a Labour party member, i consider myself a socialist and Im a trade unionist. To this day i consider myself working class, though i acknowledge this is just as much a state of mind, or resonance with my past and all the life history and traits that make me who i am, rather than any socio economic reality of what my life is now, given i earn a higher than average salary and have enjoyed living in a middle class area for the last 16 years.
I agree that the traditional view of what it is to be working class is outdated and doesn’t do the Labour Party any favours by forming some policies around such stereotypes, more importantly it doesn’t do people at the lower end of the economic spectrum any favours by a mis portrayal of life in relative poverty.
I do think this country is still built on a class system and that the term working class is still relevant, your just talking about a highly fragmented, nuanced and constantly changing groups of people, influenced by which part of the country individuals live in, race, gender, historical ties to former or existing industries, the individuals place within the gig economy, the list goes on. What is still true is if your born into a lower income family your more likely to remain in that socio economic grouping throughout life, Thatchers revolution was built on bullshit.
And how does this relate to the Villa. At £500/£600 a season ticket etc, the idea that the premier league is open to people on the average annual income or below is highly questionable. Which means the working class element (whatever we mean by that) of Villa Park attendees will probably be more made up of people who consider themselves psychologically working class if not financially. I started going down VP at 8, by 12 i was going down with mates or on my own, paying a couple of quid on the door. Those days are gone and there is no way those kids from those estates could go now.
I uphold this system, i know i’m a customer to the club and they are in a unique position amongst other businesses of being able to rely on my loyalty through thick and mostly thin, whilst still treating me as a customer rather than supporter. But what can be done, if i don’t go there will be a que of people waiting to replace me and ill miss something i love doing with my kids. For the waiting list to disappear, Villa have to be shit again, or the cost living really bites. But either way the club can still prosper with TV money.
Its not the way the capitalist system in this country works and definitely not with premier league football, but maybe one future option is for clubs to have to have a certain percentage of seats available to those on a certain income bracket? Not the answer to the structural problems in society i know.
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 16, 2022, 11:07:40 AM
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 16, 2022, 11:25:50 AM
I don't come across many people who say they've been priced out now. Maybe it's an age thing but down the match I see lots of children with parents, lots of the sort of shires inhabitants we're all supposed to be and the same people I've always seen. The yoof are supposedly being priced out but at what age is that happening?
I grew up in Hockley and used to go with a group of kids from Hockley/Ladywood and there were loads of other kids from those areas that went in the 80s It would be interesting to know how many kids from still deprived areas such as those are going. I genuinely don’t know the answer to that, so am not challenging what your saying.
Post by: mike on July 16, 2022, 11:31:48 AM
Can't disagree with Mike's comments earlier in this thread!
"If our tickets were more extra expensive than the other clubs you’d have a point. The problem is the whole system and Purslow is only doing what every other CEO is doing so it is unfair to single him out. Football is still primarily attended by what you outdatedly call the working classes who accept and participate in this mad and immoral thing football has become, aggrieved to be paying over the odds but not seeing the obscenity of the money involved at every level from owners to media to agents to players. A few quid on a ticket is fuck all given the big picture.
As someone who grew up on a council estate, is a Labour Party member and socialist, my view is that the world has moved on since the three tier class system. Some in Labour’s failure to accept a shade of nuance is not helpful. We live in a high tech society that is nothing like my childhood. My council estate emptied of working class people and filled with Thatcher’s dispossessed and left behind. Traditional working class jobs have all but disappeared. The issue in football is the obscene exploitation of the game across the world, which itself is only a symptom of a developed world where people see no moral ambiguity in buying cheap stuff from China, a monstrously despotic and dangerous regime undermining British industry. These goods are sold via companies that avoid tax and treat their employees like shit. While Amazon don’t pay the taxes that should be funding our public services, Bezos has so much money he is able to fly into fucking space. The ‘working class’ is wholly complicit in all of this because there is no political leadership anywhere in the world to convince them they are acting against their own interests. Peddling 1980’s policies in 2022 is failing to address the real issues and allowing the Bezos/Musk übercapitalists and Tory elitists to get away with it."
Really interesting analysis DC. I too grew up in a inner city council estate in Birmingham, mum and dad never owned a car let alone a house. Im also a Labour party member, i consider myself a socialist and Im a trade unionist. To this day i consider myself working class, though i acknowledge this is just as much a state of mind, or resonance with my past and all the life history and traits that make me who i am, rather than any socio economic reality of what my life is now, given i earn a higher than average salary and have enjoyed living in a middle class area for the last 16 years.
I agree that the traditional view of what it is to be working class is outdated and doesn’t do the Labour Party any favours by forming some policies around such stereotypes, more importantly it doesn’t do people at the lower end of the economic spectrum any favours by a mis portrayal of life in relative poverty.
I do think this country is still built on a class system and that the term working class is still relevant, your just talking about a highly fragmented, nuanced and constantly changing groups of people, influenced by which part of the country individuals live in, race, gender, historical ties to former or existing industries, the individuals place within the gig economy, the list goes on. What is still true is if your born into a lower income family your more likely to remain in that socio economic grouping throughout life, Thatchers revolution was built on bullshit.
And how does this relate to the Villa. At £500/£600 a season ticket etc, the idea that the premier league is open to people on the average annual income or below is highly questionable. Which means the working class element (whatever we mean by that) of Villa Park attendees will probably be more made up of people who consider themselves psychologically working class if not financially. I started going down VP at 8, by 12 i was going down with mates or on my own, paying a couple of quid on the door. Those days are gone and there is no way those kids from those estates could go now.
I uphold this system, i know i’m a customer to the club and they are in a unique position amongst other businesses of being able to rely on my loyalty through thick and mostly thin, whilst still treating me as a customer rather than supporter. But what can be done, if i don’t go there will be a que of people waiting to replace me and ill miss something i love doing with my kids. For the waiting list to disappear, Villa have to be shit again, or the cost living really bites. But either way the club can still prosper with TV money.
Its not the way the capitalist system in this country works and definitely not with premier league football, but maybe one future option is for clubs to have to have a certain percentage of seats available to those on a certain income bracket? Not the answer to the structural problems in society i know.
I agree with what you say about class. When I went to primary school, 90% of people's dads worked and Leyland and moms stayed at home or did something for pin money. That school and the estate is now full of people who are several generations unemployed. People who have a steady jobs like my dad did don't live in social housing now. I still undoubtedly 'self identify' as working class and I suspect that's how most people see me despite a relatively comfortable lifestyle and house in the shire. I don't think my children will ever see themselves as working class. I think there is a lot more fluidity around income and attitudes and the next generation will be a broad melange with the old money types still spotting people who say toilet and serviette and the underprivileged/left behind/hopeless at the top and bottom.
I also agree with Dave that my experiences when I get to Villa Park do not lead me to believe that the crowd is anything but broadly average/working or lower middle class types.
Post by: mike on July 16, 2022, 11:33:59 AM
I don't come across many people who say they've been priced out now. Maybe it's an age thing but down the match I see lots of children with parents, lots of the sort of shires inhabitants we're all supposed to be and the same people I've always seen. The yoof are supposedly being priced out but at what age is that happening?
I grew up in Hockley and used to go with a group of kids from Hockley/Ladywood and there were loads of other kids from those areas that went in the 80s It would be interesting to know how many kids from still deprived areas such as those are going. I genuinely don’t know the answer to that, so am not challenging what your saying.
The answer is also hard to interpret because (as above) I bet your estate is no longer full of people who have the same relative income and attachment to society as in your day.
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 16, 2022, 11:36:12 AM
I don't come across many people who say they've been priced out now. Maybe it's an age thing but down the match I see lots of children with parents, lots of the sort of shires inhabitants we're all supposed to be and the same people I've always seen. The yoof are supposedly being priced out but at what age is that happening?
I grew up in Hockley and used to go with a group of kids from Hockley/Ladywood and there were loads of other kids from those areas that went in the 80s It would be interesting to know how many kids from still deprived areas such as those are going. I genuinely don’t know the answer to that, so am not challenging what your saying.
I wonder if it was more a community thing - you went down the match with your mates because that was where your mates were going.
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on July 16, 2022, 11:40:43 AM
Post by: mike on July 16, 2022, 11:43:14 AM
I don't come across many people who say they've been priced out now. Maybe it's an age thing but down the match I see lots of children with parents, lots of the sort of shires inhabitants we're all supposed to be and the same people I've always seen. The yoof are supposedly being priced out but at what age is that happening?
I grew up in Hockley and used to go with a group of kids from Hockley/Ladywood and there were loads of other kids from those areas that went in the 80s It would be interesting to know how many kids from still deprived areas such as those are going. I genuinely don’t know the answer to that, so am not challenging what your saying.
I wonder if it was more a community thing - you went down the match with your mates because that was where your mates were going.
It was also easy and cheap, because grounds didn't sell out (not in my youth) and matches were all 3 o'clock on a Saturday. My dad would often say at about midday, 'do you want to go to a match', look to see who was at home and we'd go and watch a match. He loved football but didn't believe in supporting a football team...
Post by: Ads on July 16, 2022, 12:38:49 PM
I don't come across many people who say they've been priced out now. Maybe it's an age thing but down the match I see lots of children with parents, lots of the sort of shires inhabitants we're all supposed to be and the same people I've always seen. The yoof are supposedly being priced out but at what age is that happening?
The youth seem to be there every away game on the concourse at 14:45, chucking £6 bottles or beer about too.
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 16, 2022, 01:53:47 PM
I don't come across many people who say they've been priced out now. Maybe it's an age thing but down the match I see lots of children with parents, lots of the sort of shires inhabitants we're all supposed to be and the same people I've always seen. The yoof are supposedly being priced out but at what age is that happening?
I grew up in Hockley and used to go with a group of kids from Hockley/Ladywood and there were loads of other kids from those areas that went in the 80s It would be interesting to know how many kids from still deprived areas such as those are going. I genuinely don’t know the answer to that, so am not challenging what your saying.
I wonder if it was more a community thing - you went down the match with your mates because that was where your mates were going.
I think there is a lot of truth in this Dave and also what Mike says below about snap decisions to go to a match. I got my first season ticket in 86-87 aged 12 as did a lot of my mates, something prophetic in the amount of rubbish ive seen, another story. But i didnt have a season ticket every year, as i didnt need to, because as Mike says, you could just decide to go a few hours before k/o.
My mum only moved from her council house in Hockley 7 years ago to one of those retirement villages, there was still some community left there then, but it was a lot different, quieter even. I think more transient families.
I think the point about people with stable jobs being ‘encouraged’ to move away from social housing is an important one as well, Thatcher encouraged those estates to be to a certain extent occupied by those left behind, and its doubtful spending limited money at a football match is on the priority list.
Post by: Dogtanian on July 16, 2022, 02:36:58 PM
Just to say I've been priced out,along with my lad. It is what it is,as they say
Genuinely sorry to hear that.
Post by: colin69 on July 16, 2022, 03:01:34 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 16, 2022, 03:31:12 PM
Just to say I've been priced out,along with my lad. It is what it is,as they say
Genuinely sorry to hear that.
Me too. I'm sure there are plenty who have been priced out, but I daresay it's something that you might not want to make public.
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 16, 2022, 03:57:48 PM
Just to say I've been priced out,along with my lad. It is what it is,as they say
Genuinely sorry to hear that.
When we end up in a situation like this - when genuine long term loyal fans can no longer afford to go to games, then I begin to really worry about the direction we’re moving in as a club. Alex Alex Cropley has forgotten more about Villa than I could ever learn.
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 16, 2022, 05:41:43 PM
Just to say I've been priced out,along with my lad. It is what it is,as they say
Genuinely sorry to hear that.
When we end up in a situation like this - when genuine long term loyal fans can no longer afford to go to games, then I begin to really worry about the direction we’re moving in as a club. Alex Alex Cropley has forgotten more about Villa than I could ever learn.
That is the problem, they rely on our loyalty ss supporters, some decades and decades long, a lifetime, but ultimately they treat everyone of us a customer/consumer. I don’t know what the answer is as ultimately everyone football club is a business, but football clubs have that loyalty and life long support more that other forms of consumerism where we catch switch from Tesco to Aldi or Virgin to Now TV. Im sure there are ways to make millions with a social conscious if the will across clubs was there, something for lower income supporters, rewarding loyalty for the likes of Alex Alex Cropley.
Post by: mike on July 16, 2022, 06:16:50 PM
I don't come across many people who say they've been priced out now. Maybe it's an age thing but down the match I see lots of children with parents, lots of the sort of shires inhabitants we're all supposed to be and the same people I've always seen. The yoof are supposedly being priced out but at what age is that happening?
I grew up in Hockley and used to go with a group of kids from Hockley/Ladywood and there were loads of other kids from those areas that went in the 80s It would be interesting to know how many kids from still deprived areas such as those are going. I genuinely don’t know the answer to that, so am not challenging what your saying.
I wonder if it was more a community thing - you went down the match with your mates because that was where your mates were going.
I think there is a lot of truth in this Dave and also what Mike says below about snap decisions to go to a match. I got my first season ticket in 86-87 aged 12 as did a lot of my mates, something prophetic in the amount of rubbish ive seen, another story. But i didnt have a season ticket every year, as i didnt need to, because as Mike says, you could just decide to go a few hours before k/o.
My mum only moved from her council house in Hockley 7 years ago to one of those retirement villages, there was still some community left there then, but it was a lot different, quieter even. I think more transient families.
I think the point about people with stable jobs being ‘encouraged’ to move away from social housing is an important one as well, Thatcher encouraged those estates to be to a certain extent occupied by those left behind, and its doubtful spending limited money at a football match is on the priority list.
I went back to my estate after about ten years away, as a police officer. I could not believe the difference between the well maintained, if poor, houses and gardens I remembered and the shit, graffiti and general detritus that was everywhere. I had never, having grown up on that estate witnessed anything like it. Most people had never worked and had no intention of ever working, not because they were genetically lazy, selfish ne'er do wells but because they were the collateral damage of Thatcher's policies. That is the legacy of Thatcher and how anyone votes for her scum descendants is beyond me. Anyway, I'll stop now because this is nowt to do with season tickets and that only socialist in the world sickbeggar will be on here telling me I'm a Blairite or something.
Post by: The Edge on July 17, 2022, 06:12:24 PM
Post by: AV82EC on July 17, 2022, 07:03:21 PM
There's a twitter article doing the rounds claiming that we have sold 32,200 season tickets and 93.7% of those do not have a "B" postcode. My blue nose nephew sent it to me. It was originally posted by someone with the twitter name "SolihullBlues" Oh the irony.
It’s bullshit, file under Bluenose seeking attention on the internet.
Post by: astonvilla82 on July 17, 2022, 07:10:46 PM
he may be correct,I normally reside in Stratford, but occasionally use my holiday home in Northfield on match daysThere's a twitter article doing the rounds claiming that we have sold 32,200 season tickets and 93.7% of those do not have a "B" postcode. My blue nose nephew sent it to me. It was originally posted by someone with the twitter name "SolihullBlues" Oh the irony.
It’s bullshit, file under Bluenose seeking attention on the internet.
Post by: AV82EC on July 17, 2022, 07:17:18 PM
he may be correct,I normally reside in Stratford, but occasionally use my holiday home in Northfield on match daysThere's a twitter article doing the rounds claiming that we have sold 32,200 season tickets and 93.7% of those do not have a "B" postcode. My blue nose nephew sent it to me. It was originally posted by someone with the twitter name "SolihullBlues" Oh the irony.
It’s bullshit, file under Bluenose seeking attention on the internet.
You posh bastard.
Post by: olaftab on July 18, 2022, 01:37:52 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on July 18, 2022, 03:56:10 PM
and have a drink in the Black Horse with the orc's, helps me to blend in when down at Villa Parkhe may be correct,I normally reside in Stratford, but occasionally use my holiday home in Northfield on match daysThere's a twitter article doing the rounds claiming that we have sold 32,200 season tickets and 93.7% of those do not have a "B" postcode. My blue nose nephew sent it to me. It was originally posted by someone with the twitter name "SolihullBlues" Oh the irony.
It’s bullshit, file under Bluenose seeking attention on the internet.
You posh bastard.
Post by: sid1964 on July 22, 2022, 06:38:45 AM
Post by: Dogtanian on July 22, 2022, 06:52:44 AM
Read elsewhere that you have until noon today to make sure that your home address details are correct on your Villa account as they are going to be sending out season tickets shortly.
They’ve probably seen some addresses that aren’t country estates and are understandably worried. Can’t have people living in places like Aston rocking up.
Post by: Drummond on July 22, 2022, 09:19:06 AM
Post by: Dogtanian on July 22, 2022, 09:32:50 AM
Alright Fred.
Please don't think I was being serious! ;D
Post by: Drummond on July 22, 2022, 02:01:55 PM
Post by: purpletrousers on July 22, 2022, 07:13:40 PM
I just sent another dm message to the Twitter @AVFCSupport
They say
“ There are around 26,000 fans currently on the waiting list.”
So there you go…
I think you can defer for a year or two so it won’t mean everybody above the number is off the list, but did we find out how deep into the waiting list they got?
My youngest was at 12,500 I think.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2022, 11:44:21 PM
109 quid cheapest up to 610.
Fucking hell.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 23, 2022, 01:47:31 AM
Wait till Wilma hears what Springsteen is doing to the zone 6 proletariat.
109 quid cheapest up to 610.
Fucking hell.
To be fair he'll probably do an 8 hour set. When I was younger I saw Oasis a few times (I no longer listen to them, grew up innit) and they couldn't wait to get off stage. It was as if 90 minutes was all the leccy they had. Probably couldn't wait to kick each others heads in, sorry... prance around like arrogant cocks and flicking the v's cause they're hard.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 23, 2022, 02:10:49 PM
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 23, 2022, 02:30:12 PM
Post by: Drummond on July 25, 2022, 11:52:15 AM
One Meat Loaf song is too long.
Which one?
Post by: Skerra on July 25, 2022, 12:58:06 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on July 25, 2022, 01:04:17 PM
Can’t understand why anyone would pay these huge prices for any concert. £40 tops would be about right!!I'd generally agree, but there's certain artists you don't get to see verry often. This could well be the last time Springsteen tours the UK, so a chance to see him at VP will for some be a bit special and worth the extra money as a one off memory. I wish I'd seen Queen and am glad I got the opportunity to see the Stones before Charlie Watts died and the Foo Fighters a few times with Taylor Hawkins. Some gigs are worth the extra for me. I am surprised at the prices though, I doubt it was much more than 60 quid last time he toured.
Post by: Drummond on July 25, 2022, 01:47:02 PM
Post by: London Villan on July 25, 2022, 02:53:01 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on July 25, 2022, 05:18:34 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on July 25, 2022, 05:21:15 PM
About 1.5k tickets left for Everton and not on general sale yet. Fred will be dissapointed.
I was just thinking about old Fred as I’ve just got an extra ticket for my partner to come. I got him a Zone 2 and then wondered if I would be accused of pricing out someone when technically I could have gone up to Zone 1 if I’d held off paying the butler this week.
Post by: BC54 VFC on July 25, 2022, 05:24:16 PM
This sums Oasis up perfectly - Mancy scum.Wait till Wilma hears what Springsteen is doing to the zone 6 proletariat.
109 quid cheapest up to 610.
Fucking hell.
To be fair he'll probably do an 8 hour set. When I was younger I saw Oasis a few times (I no longer listen to them, grew up innit) and they couldn't wait to get off stage. It was as if 90 minutes was all the leccy they had. Probably couldn't wait to kick each others heads in, sorry... prance around like arrogant cocks and flicking the v's cause they're hard.
Post by: Flin5tone on July 25, 2022, 05:42:01 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on July 25, 2022, 05:54:33 PM
Plenty of availability for the opening home game in most areas of the ground for season card holders at the moment. I would have thought members would have snapped those up early doors. More proof the pricing is driving people out
Are you not taking up your seat in protest for the Everton game? ;D
Post by: Clampy on July 25, 2022, 06:20:35 PM
Plenty of availability for the opening home game in most areas of the ground for season card holders at the moment. I would have thought members would have snapped those up early doors. More proof the pricing is driving people out
Are you not taking up your seat in protest for the Everton game? ;D
Of course not. He don't give a shit about those priced out. He's just a long running bore.
Post by: Border villan on July 25, 2022, 06:36:34 PM
More proof the pricing is driving people out
Grammatically and factually incorrect.
If people were being “driven out” they would be giving up something they had, this is not the same as not taking up something available to them.
If you need to rant at least try and bore us all accurately.
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on July 25, 2022, 07:19:10 PM
Sounds like priced out.
Post by: AV82EC on July 25, 2022, 07:19:55 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on July 25, 2022, 07:24:24 PM
Plenty of availability for the opening home game in most areas of the ground for season card holders at the moment. I would have thought members would have snapped those up early doors. More proof the pricing is driving people outBrilliant! You're a parody of yourself. Shoulders back, never change...
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 25, 2022, 07:31:34 PM
Plenty of availability for the opening home game in most areas of the ground for season card holders at the moment. I would have thought members would have snapped those up early doors. More proof the pricing is driving people out
I had a season ticket for several years before the covid season.
I didn't renew it after.
As it stands, unless I can get a ST holder or member to buy one for me (don't bother offering, I'm not after one), I couldn't get a ticket even if i wanted one.
That's surely a good indication of major demand?
Post by: Flin5tone on July 25, 2022, 08:02:55 PM
Yes, of course it will sell out but this is just more proof Purslow/the club have hyped up the waiting list to drive out struggling families in zone 6 and create hysteria about needing a season ticket to see the action.
Post by: Dogtanian on July 25, 2022, 08:04:45 PM
Something just doesn't sit right with me with the tickets . If there's 26,000 on a waiting list and desperate for a slice of the action surely they would be snapping up memberships / first home game seats ? It's still not sold out and members / ST Holders can now purchase?
Yes, of course it will sell out but this is just more proof Purslow/the club have hyped up the waiting list to drive out struggling families in zone 6 and create hysteria about needing a season ticket to see the action.
Only one person is hysterical over this mate…
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 25, 2022, 08:06:16 PM
Something just doesn't sit right with me with the tickets .
You kept that quiet.
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 25, 2022, 08:12:11 PM
:)Something just doesn't sit right with me with the tickets .
You kept that quiet.
Post by: mike on July 25, 2022, 08:15:43 PM
Post by: amfy on July 25, 2022, 08:16:41 PM
Something just doesn't sit right with me with the tickets . If there's 26,000 on a waiting list and desperate for a slice of the action surely they would be snapping up memberships / first home game seats ? It's still not sold out and members / ST Holders can now purchase?
Yes, of course it will sell out but this is just more proof Purslow/the club have hyped up the waiting list to drive out struggling families in zone 6 and create hysteria about needing a season ticket to see the action.
I’ll provide an example of why your theory might not work.
My nephew is on the waiting list, & when he gets to the top, I’ll consider relocating my season ticket to get a seat with him, but while he hasn’t got a season ticket, I won’t be relocating from my seat every week to take him. It would be expensive, inconvenient, & completely defeat the object of me having a season ticket.
That might apply to a lot of people who have put their kids on the waiting list.
Post by: Flin5tone on July 25, 2022, 08:24:54 PM
Something just doesn't sit right with me with the tickets . If there's 26,000 on a waiting list and desperate for a slice of the action surely they would be snapping up memberships / first home game seats ? It's still not sold out and members / ST Holders can now purchase?
Yes, of course it will sell out but this is just more proof Purslow/the club have hyped up the waiting list to drive out struggling families in zone 6 and create hysteria about needing a season ticket to see the action.
I’ll provide an example of why your theory might not work.
My nephew is on the waiting list, & when he gets to the top, I’ll consider relocating my season ticket to get a seat with him, but while he hasn’t got a season ticket, I won’t be relocating from my seat every week to take him. It would be expensive, inconvenient, & completely defeat the object of me having a season ticket.
That might apply to a lot of people who have put their kids on the waiting list.
Fair point with that but with 26,000 apparently on the list there should be at least 50% in a position to snap up those seats?
If people genuinely feel the waiting list is legitimate then that's fine but the procedure to sign up is VERY simple and no cash is exchanged
Post by: Border villan on July 25, 2022, 09:25:25 PM
Something just doesn't sit right with me with the tickets . If there's 26,000 on a waiting list and desperate for a slice of the action surely they would be snapping up memberships / first home game seats ? It's still not sold out and members / ST Holders can now purchase?
Yes, of course it will sell out but this is just more proof Purslow/the club have hyped up the waiting list to drive out struggling families in zone 6 and create hysteria about needing a season ticket to see the action.
I’ll provide an example of why your theory might not work.
My nephew is on the waiting list, & when he gets to the top, I’ll consider relocating my season ticket to get a seat with him, but while he hasn’t got a season ticket, I won’t be relocating from my seat every week to take him. It would be expensive, inconvenient, & completely defeat the object of me having a season ticket.
That might apply to a lot of people who have put their kids on the waiting list.
Fair point with that but with 26,000 apparently on the list there should be at least 50% in a position to snap up those seats?
If people genuinely feel the waiting list is legitimate then that's fine but the procedure to sign up is VERY simple and no cash is exchanged
If no cash is exchanged this will encourage the working classes that Wilma claims to be so in favour of to sign up.
Post by: Ads on July 25, 2022, 10:42:33 PM
At least Coopers Injury had a bit of flair.
Post by: LeeB on July 25, 2022, 10:47:21 PM
One Meat Loaf song is too long.
Which one?
Any fucking one!
Post by: Dogtanian on July 26, 2022, 03:31:02 AM
Post by: Dr Butler on July 26, 2022, 08:08:41 AM
One Meat Loaf song is too long.
Which one?
Any fucking one!
is the correct answer....
UTV
The Doc
Post by: chrisw1 on July 26, 2022, 08:59:32 AM
Mad how the owners are so desperate to convince us there’s more demand that they’re spending £100m of their own money adding more capacity.It's the biggest con-trick ever. They're spending £100m just to convince us mugs that there's a 25k waiting list so that they can put up ST prices by £150 quid to drive the working class out the game. HOW CAN PEOPLE NOT SEE THIS DISGRACE?
Post by: Dogtanian on July 26, 2022, 09:24:19 AM
Mad how the owners are so desperate to convince us there’s more demand that they’re spending £100m of their own money adding more capacity.It's the biggest con-trick ever. They're spending £100m just to convince us mugs that there's a 25k waiting list so that they can put up ST prices by £150 quid to drive the working class out the game. HOW CAN PEOPLE NOT SEE THIS DISGRACE?
It's the moon-landings all over again.
Post by: Risso on July 26, 2022, 09:41:09 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2022, 09:43:17 AM
Post by: Drummond on July 26, 2022, 02:41:02 PM
You sheeple probably think birds are real.
I married one, then all of a sudden it wasn't a bird any more (*pick your own animal of choice).... So I think you're right.
Post by: Drummond on July 26, 2022, 02:44:47 PM
Post by: Flin5tone on July 26, 2022, 03:11:39 PM
Where are all the members / waiting list ?
If the first home game reaches GS with availability across the stadium then it's good news for those who want to go as it'll be very easy to get hold of tickets for ANY game
Post by: Ads on July 26, 2022, 03:16:40 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on July 26, 2022, 03:24:52 PM
If the first game of the season is going to end up on general sale ,which it will then it's a clear indication people are voting with their feet.
Where are all the members / waiting list ?
If the first home game reaches GS with availability across the stadium then it's good news for those who want to go as it'll be very easy to get hold of tickets for ANY game
Out of curiosity, have you raised your concerns with the club?
Post by: purpletrousers on July 26, 2022, 03:25:12 PM
Anyway, the next home game isn't for weeks, so of course it's not sold out. Fuck me. I'd like to go but a holiday is getting in the way. Can't take my son for weeks with all the shenanigans with changed kick-offs.
Ignoring the last pointless hypothesising…
But Drummond I was going to ask if you fancied a ridiculously late night seeing Burning Spear/Horace Andy/Johnny Clarke (it would be an early KO that day)
**stage show approx 1030pm-2am, curfew 4am!**
surely that and a seat next to me (have shifted to the North Stand) is enough to cancel the holiday?! Not sure you’d be tempted musically Risso?
Post by: Drummond on July 26, 2022, 03:39:50 PM
If the first game of the season is going to end up on general sale ,which it will then it's a clear indication people are voting with their feet.
Where are all the members / waiting list ?
If the first home game reaches GS with availability across the stadium then it's good news for those who want to go as it'll be very easy to get hold of tickets for ANY game
Right, so now it's not about selling out that's your issue (because let's face it you've not got a leg to stand on with that one), but tickets going to General Sale? And the first game, in the Summer Holidays, might get to GS and every game will be an issue. Please explain why you have that theory, because if you don't then I'll definitely believe you're a troll. I shall call you Branch (definitely one for the parents of young kids on here).
Post by: Gareth on July 26, 2022, 03:48:15 PM
If the first game of the season is going to end up on general sale ,which it will then it's a clear indication people are voting with their feet.
Where are all the members / waiting list ?
If the first home game reaches GS with availability across the stadium then it's good news for those who want to go as it'll be very easy to get hold of tickets for ANY game
Out of curiosity, have you raised your concerns with the club?
Is H&V not the programme??
I’m sure with the concerns being so vehement (& continuous) he will have relayed to the club, to the Trust & via the SCG….not just moaning to a forum
Post by: Border villan on July 26, 2022, 04:20:27 PM
If the first game of the season is going to end up on general sale ,which it will then it's a clear indication people are voting with their feet.
Where are all the members / waiting list ?
If the first home game reaches GS with availability across the stadium then it's good news for those who want to go as it'll be very easy to get hold of tickets for ANY game
If I could tell the future like you I would not waste my time on this forum, instead I would be investing in a winning lottery ticket.
Post by: WassallVillain on July 26, 2022, 04:34:33 PM
Post by: Risso on July 26, 2022, 04:45:01 PM
Mission accomplished Fred. You’ve reeled them all in. Enjoy your evening puffing on a big fat cigar with a nice single malt.
Or eating a microwave dinner for one in front of the computer, with gravy stains down your vest, trousers round your ankles.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2022, 05:04:11 PM
Mission accomplished Fred. You’ve reeled them all in. Enjoy your evening puffing on a big fat cigar with a nice single malt.
Or eating a microwave dinner for one in front of the computer, with gravy stains down your vest, trousers round your ankles.
Sitting in a piss stinking armchair in a darkened room, sobbing uncontrollably, wanking into a mug.
Post by: Flin5tone on July 26, 2022, 05:20:56 PM
Any club that has a waiting list of 26,000 and a members list absolutely desperate to see their side in action would surely snap those seats up by now? Let's not forget we didn't sell out those two fixtures last December? To me this a clear message to Purslow and the Owners (probably not their decision) STOP THE GREED THERE IS NO NEED!
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2022, 05:21:37 PM
I just feel that (and there's proof out there ) the way zone 6 were treated with the absolutely ridiculous price increase the club may well have lost fans/future fans forever with pure GREED.
Any club that has a waiting list of 26,000 and a members list absolutely desperate to see their side in action would surely snap those seats up by now? Let's not forget we didn't sell out those two fixtures last December? To me this a clear message to Purslow and the Owners (probably not their decision) STOP THE GREED THERE IS NO NEED!
Which were the fiixtures we didn't sell out last December?
Post by: trinityoap on July 26, 2022, 05:23:14 PM
Post by: Clampy on July 26, 2022, 05:26:46 PM
Mission accomplished Fred. You’ve reeled them all in. Enjoy your evening puffing on a big fat cigar with a nice single malt.
Or eating a microwave dinner for one in front of the computer, with gravy stains down your vest, trousers round your ankles.
Sitting in a piss stinking armchair in a darkened room, sobbing uncontrollably, wanking into a mug.
I reckon he has a cup of beans, with a sausage.
Post by: Risso on July 26, 2022, 05:36:23 PM
Mission accomplished Fred. You’ve reeled them all in. Enjoy your evening puffing on a big fat cigar with a nice single malt.
Or eating a microwave dinner for one in front of the computer, with gravy stains down your vest, trousers round your ankles.
Sitting in a piss stinking armchair in a darkened room, sobbing uncontrollably, wanking into a mug.
I reckon he has a cup of beans, with a sausage.
A savoury 99.
Post by: Flin5tone on July 26, 2022, 05:41:53 PM
I just feel that (and there's proof out there ) the way zone 6 were treated with the absolutely ridiculous price increase the club may well have lost fans/future fans forever with pure GREED.
Any club that has a waiting list of 26,000 and a members list absolutely desperate to see their side in action would surely snap those seats up by now? Let's not forget we didn't sell out those two fixtures last December? To me this a clear message to Purslow and the Owners (probably not their decision) STOP THE GREED THERE IS NO NEED!
Which were the fiixtures we didn't sell out last December?
Man City and maybe Leicester? Can't remember
Post by: Ads on July 26, 2022, 05:42:54 PM
Post by: WassallVillain on July 26, 2022, 09:23:10 PM
4th highest occupancy last year out of all Premier League clubs.Blues closed 2 stands to try and get near that and still failed.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 26, 2022, 09:37:04 PM
Post by: Border villan on July 26, 2022, 10:01:52 PM
But if the demand wasn’t there would we be looking to expand ?
Deep state fake news.
Drain the swamp, or something like that.
Post by: Flin5tone on July 27, 2022, 09:39:22 AM
Post by: JD on July 27, 2022, 09:44:44 AM
4th highest occupancy last year out of all Premier League clubs.
Only 4th, that's a disgrace. It's a conspiracy to price the fans out from going so the owners can replace the fans with robots or something. I blame Purslow for this.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 27, 2022, 10:16:07 AM
Fans clearly voting with their feet.
Post by: Aldridge Villa on July 29, 2022, 02:51:48 PM
Post by: Holte132 on July 29, 2022, 03:05:33 PM
4th highest occupancy last year out of all Premier League clubs.
Is that in terms of numbers or percentage of capacity?
Post by: Risso on July 29, 2022, 03:06:59 PM
4th highest occupancy last year out of all Premier League clubs.
Is that in terms of numbers or percentage of capacity?
The latter, or it means Old Trafford and the Spurs ground are operating at about 25% capacity!
Post by: Flin5tone on July 29, 2022, 05:39:32 PM
Anyone’s tickets arrived in the post yet ?
Probably be the morning of the first Home game knowing Villa
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 29, 2022, 05:44:15 PM
Anyone’s tickets arrived in the post yet ?
Probably be the morning of the first Home game knowing Villa
pffft more like 2.30 , which reminds me of an old dentist joke
Post by: Dogtanian on July 29, 2022, 06:04:34 PM
Anyone’s tickets arrived in the post yet ?
Probably be the morning of the first Home game knowing Villa
pffft more like 2.30 , which reminds me of an old dentist joke
How can it be old when I used it last week? Much to my colleagues amusement I might add. 8)
Post by: Flin5tone on July 31, 2022, 05:09:43 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 31, 2022, 06:45:14 PM
Still plenty of availability for our opening fixture for those on the waiting list/members/have ST pass Holder friends mainly in the upper Trinity Road,Doug Ellis and North Stand.I don’t think the rail strike is helping.
Post by: Dogtanian on July 31, 2022, 06:56:35 PM
Still plenty of availability for our opening fixture for those on the waiting list/members/have ST pass Holder friends mainly in the upper Trinity Road,Doug Ellis and North Stand.
Erm.. don’t you look a bit of an idiot now then? If you renewed your season ticket despite telling everyone you didn’t need to…
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on July 31, 2022, 06:59:10 PM
Still plenty of availability for our opening fixture for those on the waiting list/members/have ST pass Holder friends mainly in the upper Trinity Road,Doug Ellis and North Stand.I don’t think the rail strike is helping.
At least all the drivers will be able to go though ...
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2022, 07:20:22 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 31, 2022, 07:28:44 PM
Post by: Kimaster1976 on July 31, 2022, 08:06:37 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on August 01, 2022, 10:04:41 AM
They might want to start you know actually posting out the season tickets soon or there will be plenty of empty seats first home game.
They had to issue me with a paper ticket for the first two home matches of last season, so I'm not really expecting my card to arrive before this season starts
Post by: LeeB on August 01, 2022, 10:34:19 AM
Worth remembering - it is TWO WEEKS until the game.
It's still a disgrace, get Chuck, Traore and Guilbert out delivering them by hand, they earn enough and they'll probably get £10 a mile back in expenses.
Post by: Flin5tone on August 01, 2022, 02:09:38 PM
I really hope the cans to plastic system will have ended this season. It's a disgrace
Post by: Richard on August 01, 2022, 02:14:57 PM
They'll send out 30,000 paper tickets for the opening fixtures then no doubt claim they are doing their bit for the climate.
I really hope the cans to plastic system will have ended this season. It's a disgrace
Yes an utter disgrace.....give it a rest you total bore
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 01, 2022, 03:35:28 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on August 01, 2022, 03:49:35 PM
Fucking hell I haven't been on for a while but who is this moaner? I have however decided to moan myself! Against my better judgement I renewed (its what you do innit) but I have worked out that we won't have a Saturday 3pm home game until next year. They can stick their season ticket up their arse for next year. I will instead go to rugby.
Ow bist Chelts
I like it that the Villa home games have been moved from Sat @ 3pm. This means that I'll be able to go to more rugby.
Ideally, for me, they'd all kick off at noon on a Sunday :)
Post by: Flin5tone on August 01, 2022, 04:11:07 PM
Post by: Clampy on August 01, 2022, 04:13:58 PM
Oh to be called a moaner by a rugby supporter who will be abandoning the Aston Villa ship next season to watch egg chasing
It's such a shame you're not doing likewise.
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 01, 2022, 05:01:55 PM
Oh to be called a moaner by a rugby supporter who will be abandoning the Aston Villa ship next season to watch egg chasing
I think I might have a bit in the bank with the Villa thanks.
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 01, 2022, 05:04:19 PM
Fucking hell I haven't been on for a while but who is this moaner? I have however decided to moan myself! Against my better judgement I renewed (its what you do innit) but I have worked out that we won't have a Saturday 3pm home game until next year. They can stick their season ticket up their arse for next year. I will instead go to rugby.
Ow bist Chelts
I like it that the Villa home games have been moved from Sat @ 3pm. This means that I'll be able to go to more rugby.
Ideally, for me, they'd all kick off at noon on a Sunday :)
Alright thanks buddy. Busy back at work. I shall see if I can find an appropriate rugby thread to talk the local stuff as I have been back involved with that and is why Sundays are a bit of a no go.
Post by: oldhill_avfc on August 01, 2022, 05:25:41 PM
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 01, 2022, 05:28:52 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 01, 2022, 05:46:51 PM
They'll send out 30,000 paper tickets for the opening fixtures then no doubt claim they are doing their bit for the climate.
Because every one of your real life claims has been proven to be total bollocks, you've now started invented imaginary scenarios to moan about. Well done.
Post by: Drummond on August 02, 2022, 10:33:01 AM
Post by: Drummond on August 02, 2022, 10:33:19 AM
Post by: UK Redsox on August 02, 2022, 11:22:16 AM
Quote
Season tickets are starting to be dispatched this week.
Adults can track their packs by entering their fan ID on the following link: https://bit.ly/3Q8Powm
Junior season tickets are being sent via standard 1st class post with their gift to follow at a later date.
All season tickets will be posted with enough time to get to fans before Everton (H). 📨
However, if your season ticket does not reach you, you can request e-tickets for individual matches.
You can request e-tickets by DM or by calling the Ticket Office.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 02, 2022, 11:25:48 AM
Post by: Chris Smith on August 02, 2022, 11:32:32 AM
Post by: PGW on August 02, 2022, 11:35:14 AM
Mine is currently “in production” which isn’t really much help.Same!!!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 02, 2022, 12:58:29 PM
The Club have just tweeted to say all season tickets should be with supporters before Everton.
Season tickets being sent vis FIRST CLASS POST, it's no wonder ordinary fans are being priced out of football.
Post by: London Villan on August 02, 2022, 01:02:12 PM
Post by: Arsey on August 02, 2022, 01:24:36 PM
Post by: sid1964 on August 02, 2022, 01:27:20 PM
Why are they only being sent out / produced now, I paid for my season ticket at the end of May
Hopefully it will arrive before Everton game
Post by: Clampy on August 02, 2022, 01:36:06 PM
In other news, the Everton game has now sold out.
Post by: Lsvilla on August 02, 2022, 01:44:27 PM
Post by: AV82EC on August 02, 2022, 01:49:49 PM
Mine is also in production.
In other news, the Everton game has now sold out.
It can't have sold out, fake news. Sad.
Post by: LeeB on August 02, 2022, 01:51:59 PM
Mine is also in production.
In other news, the Everton game has now sold out.
It can't have sold out, fake news. Sad.
The seats will be filled by actors on the day.
Post by: Dave P on August 02, 2022, 02:13:25 PM
Is Wilma ok?
Post by: Towser on August 02, 2022, 02:36:11 PM
Post by: Drummond on August 02, 2022, 02:49:57 PM
Mine has been dispatched today, My Wifes is in production, both ordered at the same time, both been season ticket holders for ther same length of time, both same surname, Wifes Christian name is nearer front of alphabet than mine, so hows that work?
Who knows? And, does it matter?
Post by: Nunkin1965 on August 02, 2022, 02:53:15 PM
So we’ve learnt that the Everton game has sold out and we will get our season tickets in advance of this first game. All this 11 days before the game.Sure he's fine.
Is Wilma ok?
Busy looking for another issue no doubt.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on August 02, 2022, 02:54:00 PM
So we’ve learnt that the Everton game has sold out and we will get our season tickets in advance of this first game. All this 11 days before the game.Sure he's fine.
Is Wilma ok?
Busy looking for another issue no doubt.
Mine's also in production.
Post by: UK Redsox on August 02, 2022, 03:24:25 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 03, 2022, 11:05:44 AM
No pile of cash or gold bars, though. It's a disgrace.
Post by: john e on August 03, 2022, 11:06:09 AM
I need to know as I’m struggling to contain my excitement
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 03, 2022, 11:07:48 AM
Post by: Dogtanian on August 03, 2022, 11:08:49 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on August 03, 2022, 11:20:39 AM
anyone worked out how you can sell tickets from ST back to the club this season, cannot make first game and i cannot see how to do it on the website this year.Log in
Click on your name (top right)
Click Personal details
Click on the word 'here' on the right of the screen (looks like this)
TICKET RESALE
Can't make a game? Click here to sell your seat for individual matches
Post by: chrisw1 on August 03, 2022, 11:26:25 AM
Probably being a bit complacent or my mind maybe playing tricks - but thought they automatically loaded the new season ticket onto your existing card remotely last year?Nope, it was a new card last year too.
Post by: Border villan on August 03, 2022, 12:10:48 PM
Probably being a bit complacent or my mind maybe playing tricks - but thought they automatically loaded the new season ticket onto your existing card remotely last year?Nope, it was a new card last year too.
Wasting more of the earths resources, it’s a DISGRACE!
Saving Wilma the bother.
Post by: Flin5tone on August 03, 2022, 04:29:58 PM
Not had mine yet ,although I don't seem to have had much post lately, maybe the postman is gathering up letters for one big delivery seen as he's been given a new housing estate to deliver to on top of his usual round. Absolute madness
Post by: Risso on August 03, 2022, 04:42:54 PM
Post by: john e on August 03, 2022, 04:56:44 PM
I'd rather have had a few pounds off the price of my card than a keyring or badge,I was expecting a voucher for the club shop for the away shirt as was rumoured or at least a bumper discount after the feedback from fans for the insane increase + zone 6 sacrifice.
Not had mine yet ,although I don't seem to have had much post lately, maybe the postman is gathering up letters for one big delivery seen as he's been given a new housing estate to deliver to on top of his usual round. Absolute madness
Fantastic, love it in so many levels
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 03, 2022, 05:48:11 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on August 03, 2022, 05:54:20 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2022, 06:03:58 PM
Maybe he's avoiding you, like the rest of us?
Tired of being harangued every morning about how the increasing cost of even second class stamps prices the poor out of written communication.
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 03, 2022, 06:24:02 PM
Post by: Nev on August 03, 2022, 06:28:15 PM
Post by: leylandalbion on August 03, 2022, 07:41:25 PM
I'm with Flin. I've no interest in a bit of tat in a nice box. I'd rather my ST was a quid or so cheaper.Flog your keying, badge and pen on ebay...ill start the bidding at a quid
Post by: Arsey on August 03, 2022, 09:45:05 PM
anyone worked out how you can sell tickets from ST back to the club this season, cannot make first game and i cannot see how to do it on the website this year.Log in
Click on your name (top right)
Click Personal details
Click on the word 'here' on the right of the screen (looks like this)
TICKET RESALE
Can't make a game? Click here to sell your seat for individual matches
thank you
managed to request to resell my ticket. no idea how to do the same for my two boy’s tickets on my account mind.
Post by: LeeB on August 04, 2022, 02:45:36 PM
I was written off as a Villa hating egg chaser inside one post which was novel.
Rare to get a direct comeback like that, you certainly found the trigger point. Impressive since you've only been back 5 minutes.
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 04, 2022, 04:40:37 PM
I was written off as a Villa hating egg chaser inside one post which was novel.
Rare to get a direct comeback like that, you certainly found the trigger point. Impressive since you've only been back 5 minutes.
Thank you Sir! I clearly still have it when it comes to getting on people's tits.
Post by: charleeco7 on August 04, 2022, 05:52:38 PM
I'm with Flin. I've no interest in a bit of tat in a nice box. I'd rather my ST was a quid or so cheaper.
If they dropped the price by £10 (a guess at the cost of gifts) people would moan the prices were still too expensive and that they didn’t get a free gift. Dammed if you do….
Post by: chrisw1 on August 04, 2022, 06:24:19 PM
People will always moan, but personally I have no interest in a box of landfill.I'm with Flin. I've no interest in a bit of tat in a nice box. I'd rather my ST was a quid or so cheaper.
If they dropped the price by £10 (a guess at the cost of gifts) people would moan the prices were still too expensive and that they didn’t get a free gift. Dammed if you do….
Post by: andyh on August 04, 2022, 06:44:46 PM
Apologies if this has already been posted.
https://astonvilla.packtracker.cedarpackaging.com/
Post by: charleeco7 on August 04, 2022, 07:38:43 PM
People will always moan, but personally I have no interest in a box of landfill.I'm with Flin. I've no interest in a bit of tat in a nice box. I'd rather my ST was a quid or so cheaper.
If they dropped the price by £10 (a guess at the cost of gifts) people would moan the prices were still too expensive and that they didn’t get a free gift. Dammed if you do….
Or you could use the smart pen and keep the other bits. Each to their own.
Post by: LeeB on August 04, 2022, 09:24:11 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on August 04, 2022, 09:28:35 PM
I like my little box of things, thank you very much. A tie and blazer badge set would've been nice but you can't have everything.
There was going to be a set but they were made promises about storage that were not kept.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on August 04, 2022, 09:28:36 PM
If you haven’t received yours yet, you can track it here.
Apologies if this has already been posted.
https://astonvilla.packtracker.cedarpackaging.com/
Says mine was dispatched on the 2nd, but when I click the track package bit I get "An update will only be provided when we attempt to deliver your item".
I am your typical Villa fan in the Shires though, so maybe its taking a little longer on the horse and cart. ;)
Post by: Pete3206 on August 04, 2022, 10:14:43 PM
Disgrace!
Post by: Flin5tone on August 05, 2022, 12:19:43 AM
I will probably donate the badge to my nephew and use the keyring and ballpoint. I had a habit of being sucked in by fridge magnets at one stage when I was travelling and also had a spell of collecting Villa badges which are on a scarf in my wardrobe and very rarely look at them.
Something more practical as a gift would have been nice even a pair of socks at least they'd be used
Post by: andyh on August 05, 2022, 07:05:23 AM
Post by: sid1964 on August 05, 2022, 07:11:12 AM
They also get a Wolves present and the one season it was a pair of socks!!!
Post by: Clampy on August 05, 2022, 07:23:44 AM
My future son in law is on the Wolves waiting list for a season ticket, if I remember correctly they have to pay £40.00 per season to stay on the list, but they do receive discounts at the club shop and get the chance to buy match tickets
They also get a Wolves present and the one season it was a pair of socks!!!
Yes, but that's only because they only wear one pair all year round.
Post by: Dave P on August 05, 2022, 08:30:33 AM
Post by: Dave P on August 05, 2022, 08:31:12 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on August 05, 2022, 09:02:59 AM
My future son in law is on the Wolves waiting list for a season ticket, if I remember correctly they have to pay £40.00 per season to stay on the list, but they do receive discounts at the club shop and get the chance to buy match ticketsSo basically it's like having to be a claret member to be on the list? Bit harsh for people who want to put their kids on at a very young age etc.
They also get a Wolves present and the one season it was a pair of socks!!!
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 05, 2022, 09:06:52 AM
My future son in law is on the Wolves waiting list for a season ticket, if I remember correctly they have to pay £40.00 per season to stay on the list, but they do receive discounts at the club shop and get the chance to buy match ticketsDonate them to Wilma.
They also get a Wolves present and the one season it was a pair of socks!!!
Post by: Dogtanian on August 05, 2022, 09:10:56 AM
My future son in law is on the Wolves waiting list for a season ticket, if I remember correctly they have to pay £40.00 per season to stay on the list, but they do receive discounts at the club shop and get the chance to buy match tickets
They also get a Wolves present and the one season it was a pair of socks!!!
It is quite hard to find them with the extra toes.
Post by: sid1964 on August 05, 2022, 09:40:29 AM
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 05, 2022, 09:43:48 AM
Just spoke to my future son in law, he informs me that Wolves currently have nearly 12,000 people on their season ticket waiting list
And every one went to Chorley.
Post by: chrisw1 on August 05, 2022, 09:57:30 AM
Just spoke to my future son in law, he informs me that Wolves currently have nearly 12,000 people on their season ticket waiting listThat will quickly fall now they seem to be skint again. The gap will be back.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on August 05, 2022, 11:46:27 AM
Happy with the little box of swag - You've got to be a miserable fecker to moan about something as totally irrelevant as a free pinbadge, keyring and pen.
All seems real again now - Cannot wait for next Saturday! UTV!
Post by: Flin5tone on August 05, 2022, 01:33:12 PM
The package is actually very well made and could be used to keep things in so that's a bonus. The badge is too big to wear a smaller crest pin would have been more ideal. The keyring is good and the pen looks smart. Would take it to work but probably get stolen from desk as do most things left around
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 05, 2022, 01:34:02 PM
Post by: john e on August 05, 2022, 01:36:51 PM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on August 05, 2022, 01:41:13 PM
I like the pen. The badge, not at all, the key ring is okay. Both items i gave to my daughter as she liked them more. The “Pride” thing is wearing thin on me, it’s all a bit naff I think.
No complaints about the gear, but +1 for all of that 'Part of the Pride' marketing stuff being utter bollocks. Corny as hell.
Post by: Villa Lew on August 05, 2022, 02:38:00 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 05, 2022, 02:46:17 PM
Post by: LeeB on August 05, 2022, 03:07:31 PM
Remember that military themed DVD they sent out during the Lerner years?
No? Really?
Was it as bad as that 'Squaddies' video from the 90's, where they stick Savo in fatigues whilst his home country in getting blown to smithereens?
Post by: amfy on August 05, 2022, 10:33:58 PM
I like the pen. The badge, not at all, the key ring is okay. Both items i gave to my daughter as she liked them more. The “Pride” thing is wearing thin on me, it’s all a bit naff I think.
No complaints about the gear, but +1 for all of that 'Part of the Pride' marketing stuff being utter bollocks. Corny as hell.
My nephew might be unusual, but he loves it! His pack arrives and he calls me excitedly exclaiming ‘Guess what Aunty Anne? I’m part of the pride again!!!!’
Post by: Flin5tone on August 06, 2022, 11:03:57 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on August 06, 2022, 11:07:16 AM
Post by: Scratchins on August 06, 2022, 11:12:46 AM
I wish we would bring back PREPARED rather than part of the pride . I don't really get it or understand where it came from?
A group of lions is called a pride. Come on you Lions
Post by: john e on August 08, 2022, 10:12:54 AM
the bloody season ticket box thing turns up
Post by: Drummond on August 08, 2022, 10:15:01 AM
Post by: Gareth on August 08, 2022, 10:17:14 AM
Just as I’m starting to move on and put Saturday’s horror show out of my mind
the bloody season ticket box thing turns up
Haha!
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 08, 2022, 10:26:11 AM
Did you see that Wulves have sent fans a scarf with the name of the stand they sit in on them? Nice touch, or it would be if they'd not sent them all the wrong ones!
I'm impressed they can all read them.
Post by: PGW on August 08, 2022, 11:35:44 AM
Mine to!!!Just as I’m starting to move on and put Saturday’s horror show out of my mind
the bloody season ticket box thing turns up
Haha!
Post by: exigo on August 08, 2022, 12:29:20 PM
As someone who sends stuff to print most working days, the reason I insist everybody proofs the artwork is so that you don't mail out 30,000 packs with Bertrand Traoré's name spelt wrong.
Post by: john2710 on August 10, 2022, 12:35:05 PM
Contacted the Ticket Office & it is one of a batch that is being sent out manually today.
If it doesn't arrive by Friday, I've to contact them again to get an e-ticket.
Post by: PeterWithe on August 13, 2022, 05:31:20 PM
Post by: exiled on the wirral! on August 13, 2022, 11:01:56 PM
My ST card didn’t work. Glad the turnstile operator saw sense and let me in as my kid had gone ahead of me, if I’d have had to go round to the ticket office to sort it out and I wouldn’t have been a happy bunny at all.Mine didn't work either, steward let me in a side door in the end..
Post by: john2710 on August 14, 2022, 02:54:14 PM
There was quite a few where they didn't work. Got no explanation but was asked if I was using the correct stand. FFS.
Post by: Pete3206 on August 14, 2022, 03:42:51 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 14, 2022, 03:49:43 PM
Is everyone aware that they've changed the turnstile readers, so you now have tap the top of the reader instead of the mouth?
All of the people in front of me as I queued yesterday were either not aware or forgot. Every single one at both turnstiles inserted the card.
Post by: Chris Smith on August 14, 2022, 04:05:50 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on August 14, 2022, 04:07:39 PM
Post by: Ads on August 14, 2022, 06:47:33 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 14, 2022, 07:44:36 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 14, 2022, 07:59:28 PM
Post by: colin69 on August 14, 2022, 09:29:21 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on August 14, 2022, 11:57:51 PM
Is it:
A) Forgettable, we won, in the sun, a lovely day out.
B) Irrititating, they’ve had all close season to sort it.
C) A DISGRACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Border villan on August 15, 2022, 09:42:06 AM
I haven’t quite marshalled my thoughts on the issue, perhaps my fellow posters can help me.
Is it:
A) Forgettable, we won, in the sun, a lovely day out.
B) Irrititating, they’ve had all close season to sort it.
C) A DISGRACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It’s A DISGRACE that you only put A DISGRACE third on your list.
Post by: Scratchins on August 15, 2022, 10:04:38 AM
Yep the letter, text message and email was probably the giveaway that you only need to tap your card.
Plus messages on the OS
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 15, 2022, 02:31:07 PM
After first trying to 'tap' it worked fine. UTV
Post by: purpletrousers on August 15, 2022, 02:39:45 PM
Post by: Richard on August 15, 2022, 02:42:34 PM
They said they'd email with updated place # on the waiting list (for my youngest) - has anyone received these updates?
Not me although having now escaped to South Yorkshire not sure I'll be needing a season ticket for a while.
Post by: Flin5tone on August 17, 2022, 10:01:53 PM
Where's the 26,000 now? . One big con
Good luck shifting Southampton on a Friday night
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 17, 2022, 10:11:38 PM
Won't somebody please think of the children.
Post by: Drummond on August 18, 2022, 10:13:23 AM
I've just been offered a pair of tickets for the Arsenal game, in their end. We can't compete. £95 each.
Post by: Ads on August 18, 2022, 11:27:00 AM
Plenty of availability for West Ham and been on General Sale for a while. I think we will have plenty of games that won't sell out.
Where's the 26,000 now? . One big con
Good luck shifting Southampton on a Friday night
Oh that's an old tattoo I had removed.
Post by: chrisw1 on August 18, 2022, 11:32:49 AM
The turnstile I (and my son used) was still the old style - Holte End Upper. So we had to insert the new season card into the gap/space as per last year and not tap.The upper Hote worked with tapping for me (no need to insert). Not that it made any difference whatsoever.
After first trying to 'tap' it worked fine. UTV
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 18, 2022, 11:45:25 AM
Plenty of availability for West Ham and been on General Sale for a while. I think we will have plenty of games that won't sell out.
Where's the 26,000 now? . One big con
Good luck shifting Southampton on a Friday night
From what I can see there’s fewer than 500 tickets left for a game that’s still 10 days away. You’re taking the piss aren’t you?
Post by: Clampy on August 18, 2022, 11:47:35 AM
Plenty of availability for West Ham and been on General Sale for a while. I think we will have plenty of games that won't sell out.
Where's the 26,000 now? . One big con
Good luck shifting Southampton on a Friday night
From what I can see there’s fewer than 500 tickets left for a game that’s still 10 days away. You’re taking the piss aren’t you?
Just ignore him, it's easier.
Post by: Ad@m on August 18, 2022, 04:16:48 PM
Plenty of availability for West Ham and been on General Sale for a while. I think we will have plenty of games that won't sell out.
Where's the 26,000 now? . One big con
Good luck shifting Southampton on a Friday night
From what I can see there’s fewer than 500 tickets left for a game that’s still 10 days away. You’re taking the piss aren’t you?
Only 500 left? DISGRACE!
Post by: Border villan on August 18, 2022, 04:23:08 PM
Can we have an ITS A DISGRACE thread devoted to Wilma’s views.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 18, 2022, 04:24:26 PM
It'd be easier.
Post by: trinityoap on August 18, 2022, 04:36:12 PM
Post by: Ads on August 18, 2022, 04:54:39 PM
Post by: Ad@m on August 18, 2022, 05:10:54 PM
350 left. I hope the surge in sales hasn't been brought about by ghastly working class types.
It definitely won't be because of the 26,000 that don't exist!
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 18, 2022, 10:07:06 PM
Post by: Ad@m on August 18, 2022, 11:13:29 PM
5200 Villa fans going to Bolton on Tuesday as well. Shame on them!
Only 5,200?! What a DISGRACE! Where are the so-called 26,000?! One big con.
Post by: Flin5tone on August 19, 2022, 08:59:06 AM
Post by: algy on August 19, 2022, 09:06:10 AM
Even with a multi pint pourer they would get it wrong. If they want to 'simplify' things start with the catering. Stop pouring bottles/cans into PLASTIC cups. Just give the can out or a plastic bottle like before it's absolutely ridiculousI dunno what's happened to you, Flin5tone, but you've gone from making some odd points about season ticket waiting lists, all the way through to some very good points about catering. I agree, by the way - just get rid of the pouring action all together, sell plastic bottles of beer. Yeah, I'd rather have a freshly poured pint - but it's better to have something in a plastic bottle than nothing at all.
Post by: algy on August 19, 2022, 09:21:52 AM
Just realised, you have carried on making the ticket points. Well, I agree that the 26000 is probably an over-inflation because people will be on the list who maybe don't want one now - I think that's pretty normal. It also does seem strange that it's such a big figure (20k+ new people wanting season tickets? Assuming that there wasn't so much of a waiting list whilst we were playing Rotherham etc - self evidently, I guess, if the upper Trinity wasn't open).Even with a multi pint pourer they would get it wrong. If they want to 'simplify' things start with the catering. Stop pouring bottles/cans into PLASTIC cups. Just give the can out or a plastic bottle like before it's absolutely ridiculousI dunno what's happened to you, Flin5tone, but you've gone from making some odd points about season ticket waiting lists, all the way through to some very good points about catering. I agree, by the way - just get rid of the pouring action all together, sell plastic bottles of beer. Yeah, I'd rather have a freshly poured pint - but it's better to have something in a plastic bottle than nothing at all.
I guess it's interesting that the figure has become so high, so quickly. Not sure quibbling about a few hundred tickets being available for a home game is, though - how many of those are just individual seats that people don't want because they want to take their mate/kids/... along with them?
Post by: amfy on August 19, 2022, 10:27:56 AM
I tell you what is a disgrace, when they allow you to resell your ticket but will only list it when they've sold their own even though the stand you're in is SOLD OUT .Tbf I agree with this.
I’d often be looking for one in The Holte End (so that someone going with me will be in the same stand & we can have a pint at half time etc) and not bother buying if theres only seats in other stands.
Yet, when I put my Holte End ST seat back in the pot, no one can buy it til the seats in the other stands are sold.
They are actually depriving themselves of additional income from these seats as they only give me 80% of 1/19th of my ST cost but could be reselling at full match day value if they let it go a bit sooner.
Post by: Flin5tone on August 21, 2022, 08:06:07 PM
Fed up I really am
Post by: richtheholtender on August 21, 2022, 08:54:50 PM
5200 Villa fans going to Bolton on Tuesday as well. Shame on them!
And on sky. Shocking!!!
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 21, 2022, 09:14:04 PM
Fed up I really am
This isn't like you, I'm getting a bit worried now. Hope all okay, sending hugs.
Post by: Kimaster1976 on August 22, 2022, 07:33:59 AM
Unless the whole stadium sells out are they not gonna even offer it for sale then?
This seems a bizarre way of resale of tickets I must say why not just put it as available now?
Post by: charleeco7 on August 22, 2022, 07:47:54 AM
Post by: amfy on August 22, 2022, 09:58:52 AM
You’ve already paid for yours so they’ll make more money if they sell the ones which are general admission first before yours. Rather than someone buying yours and you getting a cut.
….but they don’t seem to have taken into account that some people won’t buy whatever is available. Some will be looking for a seat in a particular stand or even vicinity and not bother if nothing is available there. So they could actually be losing money.
There is also that some people are putting pairs or groups of tickets back in for sale, but these won’t become available until every single seat is sold. Again - someone who doesn’t want to sit on their own isn’t buying when the club could have made some money in returned ST seats.
It’s shortsighted. I can go with them getting down to single seats before putting ST seats back on sale, & doing this on a stand by stand basis, but seemingly having to sell the last seat in the top of A8 before any of us have a chance of some money back, whilst also forbidding us to sell on, doesn’t seem to be in the spirit of the selling point of selling tickets back to the club in weeks you can’t go but I also believe the club lose money by sticking rigidly to this policy.
Post by: Flin5tone on August 22, 2022, 11:40:07 AM
You’ve already paid for yours so they’ll make more money if they sell the ones which are general admission first before yours. Rather than someone buying yours and you getting a cut.
….but they don’t seem to have taken into account that some people won’t buy whatever is available. Some will be looking for a seat in a particular stand or even vicinity and not bother if nothing is available there. So they could actually be losing money.
There is also that some people are putting pairs or groups of tickets back in for sale, but these won’t become available until every single seat is sold. Again - someone who doesn’t want to sit on their own isn’t buying when the club could have made some money in returned ST seats.
It’s shortsighted. I can go with them getting down to single seats before putting ST seats back on sale, & doing this on a stand by stand basis, but seemingly having to sell the last seat in the top of A8 before any of us have a chance of some money back, whilst also forbidding us to sell on, doesn’t seem to be in the spirit of the selling point of selling tickets back to the club in weeks you can’t go but I also believe the club lose money by sticking rigidly to this policy.
Absolutely and there's no mention of this when listing them . They also have the audacity to issue you warnings of a in-house criminal record if you sell or give them out to friends or family
Post by: Flin5tone on August 22, 2022, 12:36:26 PM
Post by: Chris Smith on August 22, 2022, 01:03:51 PM
The club have now listed the resale seats and there's hundreds available all over the stadium. Interesting
Not all that interesting that some people have other commitments over August Bank Holiday weekend.
Post by: Flin5tone on August 22, 2022, 01:06:01 PM
Fans are voting with their feet. I've never seen so many hit resale regardless of public holidays
Post by: Nii Lamptey on August 22, 2022, 01:07:03 PM
You’ve already paid for yours so they’ll make more money if they sell the ones which are general admission first before yours. Rather than someone buying yours and you getting a cut.
….but they don’t seem to have taken into account that some people won’t buy whatever is available. Some will be looking for a seat in a particular stand or even vicinity and not bother if nothing is available there. So they could actually be losing money.
There is also that some people are putting pairs or groups of tickets back in for sale, but these won’t become available until every single seat is sold. Again - someone who doesn’t want to sit on their own isn’t buying when the club could have made some money in returned ST seats.
It’s shortsighted. I can go with them getting down to single seats before putting ST seats back on sale, & doing this on a stand by stand basis, but seemingly having to sell the last seat in the top of A8 before any of us have a chance of some money back, whilst also forbidding us to sell on, doesn’t seem to be in the spirit of the selling point of selling tickets back to the club in weeks you can’t go but I also believe the club lose money by sticking rigidly to this policy.
I mentioned it earlier in the thread, but it also acts as a deterrent from fans taking the piss.
Villa away tickets are a closed shop. Certain groups of fans snap up the tickets regardless of whether they can make it or not, just to keep themselves top of the pecking order, then sell the less glamorous ties on (thus restricting the chance of other fans attending away games).
If Villa let fans sell Home Season Ticket seats with no penalty, the floodgates would open. IMO, you buy a season ticket to secure your seat for 19 games of football (*if that's what you can call it), at a discount price to matchday tickets. It's up to the person buying the ticket to whey up the risk/reward regarding whether they can attend all the games or not.
It's great that they even offer a chance that you can get a partial refund on matches you can't attend. It never used to be an option as far as I can remember.
Post by: Flin5tone on August 22, 2022, 01:09:25 PM
Post by: Ads on August 22, 2022, 02:43:18 PM
The club have now listed the resale seats and there's hundreds available all over the stadium. Interesting
Not all that interesting that some people have other commitments over August Bank Holiday weekend.
There's 32 more returns for West Ham than there was for Everton. Circa 548. Given its August, Bank Holiday, its largely unremarkable as you opine.
Post by: amfy on August 22, 2022, 02:49:20 PM
You’ve already paid for yours so they’ll make more money if they sell the ones which are general admission first before yours. Rather than someone buying yours and you getting a cut.
….but they don’t seem to have taken into account that some people won’t buy whatever is available. Some will be looking for a seat in a particular stand or even vicinity and not bother if nothing is available there. So they could actually be losing money.
There is also that some people are putting pairs or groups of tickets back in for sale, but these won’t become available until every single seat is sold. Again - someone who doesn’t want to sit on their own isn’t buying when the club could have made some money in returned ST seats.
It’s shortsighted. I can go with them getting down to single seats before putting ST seats back on sale, & doing this on a stand by stand basis, but seemingly having to sell the last seat in the top of A8 before any of us have a chance of some money back, whilst also forbidding us to sell on, doesn’t seem to be in the spirit of the selling point of selling tickets back to the club in weeks you can’t go but I also believe the club lose money by sticking rigidly to this policy.
I mentioned it earlier in the thread, but it also acts as a deterrent from fans taking the piss.
Villa away tickets are a closed shop. Certain groups of fans snap up the tickets regardless of whether they can make it or not, just to keep themselves top of the pecking order, then sell the less glamorous ties on (thus restricting the chance of other fans attending away games).
If Villa let fans sell Home Season Ticket seats with no penalty, the floodgates would open. IMO, you buy a season ticket to secure your seat for 19 games of football (*if that's what you can call it), at a discount price to matchday tickets. It's up to the person buying the ticket to whey up the risk/reward regarding whether they can attend all the games or not.
It's great that they even offer a chance that you can get a partial refund on matches you can't attend. It never used to be an option as far as I can remember.
They would be better limiting the number of sell backs to achieve that. Thats how it is on the away scheme.
That option exists only because there is money in it for them - money in it they are potentially turning down. For example:
Man City - if I return my ticket (which I’m not) & it gets sold, I would get £22.31. They can resell it at £41.50 making a profit of £19.19 on me not attending the game. They are potentially missing this by not putting it on sale when The Holte is sold out rather than waiting til the whole ground is sold out.
I’m actually less bothered about the £22.31 than just leaving my seat, which is good and someone would appreciate, empty.
My first option when I can’t go is usually to see if a friend can use my ticket, and I pass it on free, & inform the club. This is allowed. It is only selling it that’s not allowed.
If no one I know wants my ticket then so would rather someone was in my seat.
I’ll be putting my Southampton ST on resale because I’ve bought 4 tickets in hospitality for that game. Given the money I’ve spent on that, it’d be nice if they just took the 80% of 1/19th of the price of my season ticket seat off the price of hospitality & resold it for me rather than limiting my chances of reselling it myself. We used to get a reduction on hospitality as season ticket holders - not any more. When I asked to put it on resale at the time of buying hospitality they said I would have to ring back nearer the time. I don’t think that’s great customer service tbh.
Post by: Pete3206 on August 22, 2022, 03:59:02 PM
The club have now listed the resale seats and there's hundreds available all over the stadium. Interesting
Current availability (as I write)
Trinity 118
Witton 78
Holte 210
North 89
Total 495
Hardly a disaster is it? If none of those are sold (which most if not all will be), we'll still have over 40,000 in the ground.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 22, 2022, 04:12:22 PM
If there are 300 unsold resale tickets for a match, the attendance is still going to be capacity - because they were all sold in the first place.
If the club do not resell your ST seat for a match, you get nothing, as if you'd just not bothered to turn up.
The ticket is still considered sold.
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 22, 2022, 04:13:56 PM
The club have now listed the resale seats and there's hundreds available all over the stadium. Interesting
You know, one day we won’t actually sell out and you’ll lose your mind because you’ll be that excited.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 22, 2022, 04:24:39 PM
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Post by: Flin5tone on August 22, 2022, 04:46:05 PM
Flin5tone when he looks online and sees there's still a ticket for sale
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There'd be an awful mess if that was the case as people will be voting with their feet when the winter nights are back and our approval rating slumps lower than whoever is the Tory leader at the time.
Got a feeling this is going to be a bad winter
Post by: Ads on August 22, 2022, 04:48:16 PM
Post by: Risso on August 22, 2022, 04:59:35 PM
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Post by: Ads on August 22, 2022, 05:04:04 PM
Post by: Risso on August 22, 2022, 05:05:08 PM
Post by: Clampy on August 22, 2022, 05:16:52 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 22, 2022, 07:36:42 PM
Flin5tone when he looks online and sees there's still a ticket for sale
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There'd be an awful mess if that was the case as people will be voting with their feet when the winter nights are back and our approval rating slumps lower than whoever is the Tory leader at the time.
Got a feeling this is going to be a bad winter
ICYMI, Ads. 🙂
Post by: Clampy on August 22, 2022, 07:47:30 PM
Odd! Just edited it and now it's worked, cheers Risso.
It's for the best. It's mostly just fake anger and people are starting to cotton on which is good.
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 24, 2022, 11:38:21 PM
Post by: Kimaster1976 on August 31, 2022, 01:03:31 PM
I sold mine for the West Ham game and wondering when the club usually transfers you money from it generally.
Post by: richtheholtender on August 31, 2022, 01:51:46 PM
Has anyone had any money back yet for a resold seat from a season ticket?
I sold mine for the West Ham game and wondering when the club usually transfers you money from it generally.
Usually about 3 weeks. They like to hold on to claim the interest. No income tax no VAT
Post by: Flin5tone on August 31, 2022, 04:10:16 PM
Where's the famous waiting list CP?
Post by: Paul.S on August 31, 2022, 04:48:12 PM
I cannot see anything that points towards there not being a waiting list of substance. Have you heard anything that there’s not?
Post by: Drummond on August 31, 2022, 04:49:51 PM
Good luck anyone trying to shift Man City or Southampton ticket. Both games will not sell out so the club will not release ST Holders seats.
Where's the famous waiting list CP?
Aren't you going then?
Post by: richtheholtender on August 31, 2022, 05:10:01 PM
Personally I couldn’t care less if there’s 26,000 or 26 on the waiting list. I couldn’t care if we’ve got a full house or an empty house as long as I’m there.
I cannot see anything that points towards there not being a waiting list of substance. Have you heard anything that there’s not?
He's clearly a nose so he would know more than we do about it
Post by: Flin5tone on August 31, 2022, 05:25:32 PM
Personally I couldn’t care less if there’s 26,000 or 26 on the waiting list. I couldn’t care if we’ve got a full house or an empty house as long as I’m there.
I cannot see anything that points towards there not being a waiting list of substance. Have you heard anything that there’s not?
He's clearly a nose so he would know more than we do about it
Oh dear, that one
Because I tell the truth people don't like to hear it .it's the reason Jeremy Corbyn was ousted and now we've got a Tory Government destroying the country.
The same is happening to our club and it's right Infront of our eyes.
I will be attending Man City ,yes. Wasn't at West Ham as I'm away
Post by: Paul.S on August 31, 2022, 05:26:58 PM
Post by: richtheholtender on August 31, 2022, 05:29:01 PM
My old man told me when I first started going in 73 that you get behind your club when times are bad. That doesn’t mean you don’t ask questions and show frustration but in this case I did wonder as it’s constant negativity.
Someone responded to me yesterday that they'd rather Gerrard be sacked than turn it round and win a cup.
Post by: Paul.S on August 31, 2022, 05:47:55 PM
Post by: richtheholtender on August 31, 2022, 07:58:25 PM
Good luck anyone trying to shift Man City or Southampton ticket. Both games will not sell out so the club will not release ST Holders seats.
Where's the famous waiting list CP?
Mine has resold for Saturday
Post by: Flin5tone on September 02, 2022, 03:13:57 PM
Post by: amfy on September 02, 2022, 03:28:55 PM
Post by: aldridgeboy on September 02, 2022, 03:35:17 PM
A very uncooperative bride won’t let me do 8-9 instead of 7-8 in the city centre. I couldn’t be bothered parking for just the first half of the game.
I sold my Everton ticket back and didn’t find out until the Monday after, that it had sold. I’m sure last season as soon as it sold I had an email. Not this year
Post by: Clampy on September 02, 2022, 03:40:06 PM
I’ve put mine for resale.
A very uncooperative bride won’t let me do 8-9 instead of 7-8 in the city centre. I couldn’t be bothered parking for just the first half of the game.
I sold my Everton ticket back and didn’t find out until the Monday after, that it had sold. I’m sure last season as soon as it sold I had an email. Not this year
I don't get the 7-8 and 8-9 bit of that post.
Post by: Flin5tone on September 02, 2022, 03:54:18 PM
I’ve put mine for resale.
A very uncooperative bride won’t let me do 8-9 instead of 7-8 in the city centre. I couldn’t be bothered parking for just the first half of the game.
I sold my Everton ticket back and didn’t find out until the Monday after, that it had sold. I’m sure last season as soon as it sold I had an email. Not this year
Mine sold for West Ham but I've had no notification email at all
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 02, 2022, 04:12:36 PM
I’ve put mine for resale.
A very uncooperative bride won’t let me do 8-9 instead of 7-8 in the city centre. I couldn’t be bothered parking for just the first half of the game.
I sold my Everton ticket back and didn’t find out until the Monday after, that it had sold. I’m sure last season as soon as it sold I had an email. Not this year
I don't get the 7-8 and 8-9 bit of that post.
Work times. You wouldn't understand.
Post by: Walmley_Villa on September 02, 2022, 04:28:02 PM
Availability all over the stadium for Tomorrow. I did point out that we failed to sell out last season against Man City and was told it was because of Christmas. If we can't sell out a Saturday 5:30 KO how will we fill 50,000 +?
Very true, time to start closing parts of the stadium for me, shocking support
Post by: Clampy on September 02, 2022, 04:50:28 PM
I’ve put mine for resale.
A very uncooperative bride won’t let me do 8-9 instead of 7-8 in the city centre. I couldn’t be bothered parking for just the first half of the game.
I sold my Everton ticket back and didn’t find out until the Monday after, that it had sold. I’m sure last season as soon as it sold I had an email. Not this year
I don't get the 7-8 and 8-9 bit of that post.
Work times. You wouldn't understand.
You're a very cheeky scamp.
Post by: Border villan on September 05, 2022, 09:10:27 AM
Good luck anyone trying to shift Man City or Southampton ticket. Both games will not sell out so the club will not release ST Holders seats.
Where's the famous waiting list CP?
Only 41,830 bothered to turn up on Saturday. It’s a DISGRACE!
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on September 05, 2022, 09:39:45 AM
Only 41,830 bothered to turn up on Saturday. It’s a DISGRACE!
This figure will probably include ssn tkt holders who didn't attend and for those who attempted seats that weren't resold.
Post by: amfy on September 05, 2022, 09:41:28 AM
Post by: Risso on September 05, 2022, 09:45:40 AM
Post by: Kimaster1976 on September 05, 2022, 10:21:14 AM
Post by: Chris Smith on September 05, 2022, 10:29:34 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on September 05, 2022, 11:23:03 AM
As it happens they missed a good game. I expect another sell-out and full house vs Southampton.
Post by: AV82EC on September 05, 2022, 12:25:35 PM
Post by: Border villan on September 05, 2022, 01:10:24 PM
Post by: LeeB on September 05, 2022, 01:13:33 PM
98% of capacity, not too shabby.
You know? I think back to the late 80's when we'd be saying "should be a big crowd today, over 20,000"
Post by: Border villan on September 05, 2022, 01:24:39 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 05, 2022, 01:28:04 PM
I was at that. Mind you, so were about 20,000 other people.
Post by: LeeB on September 05, 2022, 01:30:48 PM
There was that 9k match against Southampton too.
I was at that. Mind you, so were about 20,000 other people.
My first game was against them but the season before that game, there were still only about 12,000 there then
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 05, 2022, 01:32:19 PM
Post by: LeeB on September 05, 2022, 01:34:54 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 05, 2022, 01:38:24 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 05, 2022, 05:45:28 PM
Availability all over the stadium for Tomorrow. I did point out that we failed to sell out last season against Man City and was told it was because of Christmas. If we can't sell out a Saturday 5:30 KO how will we fill 50,000 +?
Personally, I think that's a terrible kickoff time. Our usual party of 3 didn't go to the game in the end because we also had a family wedding reception to attend at 7 on the evening.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 05, 2022, 05:51:38 PM
“You don’t need to spend tens of millions expanding the ground, listen to Wilma on heroes and villains, he knows the score much better than you and NSWE ever will “
Post by: saunders_heroes on September 05, 2022, 06:20:42 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 05, 2022, 06:27:40 PM
When was the last time we had a crowd of less than 40k at a Villa Park league game? We haven’t had this level of support in my lifetime.
39,839 v Millwall, 22/4/2019.
They only brought 1400 though.
Last one where the smaller away following wasn't the reason was 36,263 v Boro, 16/3/2019
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 05, 2022, 06:29:20 PM
Post by: Stu on September 05, 2022, 06:37:13 PM
Post by: Stu on September 05, 2022, 06:39:43 PM
Post by: olaftab on September 05, 2022, 06:41:33 PM
Availability all over the stadium for Tomorrow. I did point out that we failed to sell out last season against Man City and was told it was because of Christmas. If we can't sell out a Saturday 5:30 KO how will we fill 50,000 +?Terrible as only 41800 turned up. Looks like sold out to me other than hospitality seats but still cancel that redev plan.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 05, 2022, 06:47:09 PM
Highest home attendance in 85/86 was 27,626 v Man Utd
Also that season we had
20,197 v Liverpool
22,048 v Everton
14,099 v Spurs
10,584 v Arsenal
26,694 v SHA
18,796 V WBA
FAC4 12,205 v Millwall
LCQF 26,093 v Arsenal
LCSF 23,098 V Oxford
And that's all the bigger games. You can imagine what it was like for Luton, Watford etc.
With the low point 8,456 for a league game v Southampton.
Post by: four fornicholl on September 05, 2022, 07:07:24 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 05, 2022, 07:20:28 PM
85/86 was the nadir
Highest home attendance in 85/86 was 27,626 v Man Utd
Also that season we had
20,197 v Liverpool
22,048 v Everton
14,099 v Spurs
10,584 v Arsenal
26,694 v SHA
18,796 V WBA
FAC4 12,205 v Millwall
LCQF 26,093 v Arsenal
LCSF 23,098 V Oxford
And that's all the bigger games. You can imagine what it was like for Luton, Watford etc.
With the low point 8,456 for a league game v Southampton.
Christ, did we only have 23k for that LCSF? That's not how I picture it in my mind.
Not saying i don't believe you, just mean I don't think back of it as a half empty ground.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 05, 2022, 07:28:56 PM
83-4 the average attendance for a top flight game was 18,000
Pretty amazing.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 05, 2022, 07:39:37 PM
There were only 3 games we played that season with an attendance over 30k.
Man Utd opening day, 49,743
Goodison 32,133
Highbury 33,091 for the LCQF replay.
Some league away games to show it wasn't just us
Arsenal 18,881
Spurs 14,854
Chelsea 17,509
Post by: DeKuip on September 05, 2022, 08:07:36 PM
In the away leg at the Manor Ground it felt like there were 23k of us crammed in behind the goal!85/86 was the nadir
Highest home attendance in 85/86 was 27,626 v Man Utd
Also that season we had
20,197 v Liverpool
22,048 v Everton
14,099 v Spurs
10,584 v Arsenal
26,694 v SHA
18,796 V WBA
FAC4 12,205 v Millwall
LCQF 26,093 v Arsenal
LCSF 23,098 V Oxford
And that's all the bigger games. You can imagine what it was like for Luton, Watford etc.
With the low point 8,456 for a league game v Southampton.
Christ, did we only have 23k for that LCSF? That's not how I picture it in my mind.
Not saying i don't believe you, just mean I don't think back of it as a half empty ground.
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 06, 2022, 07:19:12 AM
85/86 was the nadir
Highest home attendance in 85/86 was 27,626 v Man Utd
Also that season we had
20,197 v Liverpool
22,048 v Everton
14,099 v Spurs
10,584 v Arsenal
26,694 v SHA
18,796 V WBA
FAC4 12,205 v Millwall
LCQF 26,093 v Arsenal
LCSF 23,098 V Oxford
And that's all the bigger games. You can imagine what it was like for Luton, Watford etc.
With the low point 8,456 for a league game v Southampton.
Christ, did we only have 23k for that LCSF? That's not how I picture it in my mind.
Not saying i don't believe you, just mean I don't think back of it as a half empty ground.
That is mad. I started going to a handful of games person season when i was 8 in 1982, by the time 85-86 came around i was going to a good few including the home leg of that semi. The dreaded 86-87 season was my first season ticket. The following year in Div 1, i vaguely remember regular attendances of around 11k or 12k, but through my early teenage eyes and blurry memory it never felt empty, how sparse the ground must of looked on a wet November afternoon with 11,000 inside. Perhaps because i was always in the Holte where most of the crowd must of been.
I remember the last home game of 87-88 vrs Bradford, that game we had to win to stand any chance of going up and there were 36,000 in the ground i think, it felt like id never experienced a crowd that big! Although we player Liverpool in the cup that year which must of been pretty close.
My teenage kids who have been going since 2014/2015, wouldn’t remember what the ground was like that wasn’t a virtual sell out every game.
Post by: LeeB on September 06, 2022, 07:54:05 AM
There were a few games in those years where the listed attendance seemed too low, that Everton 6-2 only had 17k.
Post by: Scratchins on September 06, 2022, 08:15:57 AM
That Liverpool is the biggest crowd I've been in at Villa Park, it was proper rammed in the Holte End that day, though it was for that Bradford game too.
There were a few games in those years where the listed attendance seemed too low, that Everton 6-2 only had 17k.
Hmm wonder why?
Post by: London Villan on September 06, 2022, 08:22:23 AM
Post by: Charlie8182 on September 06, 2022, 08:33:40 AM
85/86 was the nadir
Highest home attendance in 85/86 was 27,626 v Man Utd
Also that season we had
20,197 v Liverpool
22,048 v Everton
14,099 v Spurs
10,584 v Arsenal
26,694 v SHA
18,796 V WBA
FAC4 12,205 v Millwall
LCQF 26,093 v Arsenal
LCSF 23,098 V Oxford
And that's all the bigger games. You can imagine what it was like for Luton, Watford etc.
With the low point 8,456 for a league game v Southampton.
I remember going to the last home game of that season where we beat Chelsea 3-1 to guarantee staying in division 1, the crowd was 17,730 and I thought that was a decent attendance at the time!
The 10,584 against Arsenal was in March 86, we lost 4-1 sparking a demonstration by fans outside the dressing rooms on Trinity Road which got a bit lively; the home game against them the following season (November 86), we took another hammering (0-4) but the crowd more than doubled - 21658. Oddly the average gate for the McNeill relegation season was 3000 up on the previous season, didn't make much sense.
Post by: Mister E on September 06, 2022, 08:46:15 AM
I was also at the LCSF in December 1970 along with the other 62,500 and at the game vs Sunderland (crowd 57,000) when we celebrated our return to the top flight, in 1975.
As others have said, these last 2-3 years have been the most consistent period for high attendances that I've witnessed in my lifetime. Even in our League-winning season our average attendance was only 34k (with a high of 48k).
Post by: LeeB on September 06, 2022, 09:57:07 AM
Ok so this is without checking, so it's always dangerous, but played Spurs in the league cup in 1987. I remember the PA asking for people to move forward in the Holte to let people in, it was the biggest crowd I'd been in as a young Villa fan. There were 27,000 there.
Rememeber being shocked to see the queues for the Holte as we approached that night.
Post by: Border villan on September 06, 2022, 07:56:51 PM
Post by: aldridgeboy on September 06, 2022, 08:14:29 PM
I’ve put mine for resale.
A very uncooperative bride won’t let me do 8-9 instead of 7-8 in the city centre. I couldn’t be bothered parking for just the first half of the game.
I sold my Everton ticket back and didn’t find out until the Monday after, that it had sold. I’m sure last season as soon as it sold I had an email. Not this year
I don't get the 7-8 and 8-9 bit of that post.
Work times. You wouldn't understand.
Yes apologies, I wasn't very clear! I meant she wouldn't let me do 8pm-9pm.
And sods law when I got there for 6.45, they were 45 mis running late :(
Post by: UK Redsox on September 06, 2022, 09:40:30 PM
On the Villa website. In “buying tickets” the number of seats available in some areas is in red and for other areas in blue. Any ideas why?
Segregating spectators by political leaning ?
Post by: Richard on September 07, 2022, 01:54:03 PM
Post by: Border villan on September 07, 2022, 02:15:34 PM
Hurrah! Im 9826 on waiting list....
Fake news, there is no waiting list.
MAKE WILMA GREAT AGAIN
Post by: TheMalandro on September 07, 2022, 03:38:51 PM
Hurrah! Im 9826 on waiting list....
Just had mine too - Waiting list position: 15992
I may need another stand demolishing before I get one!
Post by: chrisw1 on September 07, 2022, 04:04:25 PM
When did you join?Hurrah! Im 9826 on waiting list....
Just had mine too - Waiting list position: 15992
I may need another stand demolishing before I get one!
Post by: chrisw1 on September 07, 2022, 04:04:44 PM
Hurrah! Im 9826 on waiting list....When did you join?
Post by: Richard on September 07, 2022, 04:23:03 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on September 07, 2022, 04:31:16 PM
I joined just before last season started so maybe July 21Interesting, so looking at your place of 9,826 from Jul-21 and Malandro's place of 15,982, then at least 6k joined since the start of last season - prob more depending on when Malandro joined. This doesn't really fit Fred's narrative at all?
edit - seen someone on FB at 20,338, so that's at least 10k sold since the start of last season
Post by: astonvilla82 on September 07, 2022, 04:41:33 PM
I joined just before last season started so maybe July 21son joined about the same time and got a email straight away practically to buy, couldn't believe it
Post by: Drummond on September 07, 2022, 04:58:18 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on September 07, 2022, 05:50:28 PM
Post by: The Man With A Stick on September 07, 2022, 07:11:21 PM
Post by: TheMalandro on September 07, 2022, 07:21:47 PM
When did you join?Hurrah! Im 9826 on waiting list....
Just had mine too - Waiting list position: 15992
I may need another stand demolishing before I get one!
I forget now, last year some time - I’ll have a look.
Post by: Pat Mustard on September 08, 2022, 09:16:29 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on September 08, 2022, 09:18:36 AM
So despite joining 2 years ago, we still stand somewhere around 10,500 on the non-existent waiting list.If you joined 2 years ago you should be significantly higher than that. People who joined in Jun-21 seem to be at 7k ish.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 08, 2022, 09:26:21 AM
And that’s ignoring potential new and returning former ST holders who aren’t on the list
Post by: Pat Mustard on September 08, 2022, 09:36:09 AM
So despite joining 2 years ago, we still stand somewhere around 10,500 on the non-existent waiting list.If you joined 2 years ago you should be significantly higher than that. People who joined in Jun-21 seem to be at 7k ish.
So this is interesting.
We were on the list from the 2019-20 season, but I'm now having a look on my digital account and in my season ticket history which is linked to my wife and daughter's ID it is saying that our request expired on 14/6/21 and was not renewed. I do remember signing up a second time at some point, but I thought this was just confirming that we still wanted the place on the list - it's probably my fault and I missed some communication, but has anyone else had to renew their place on the list in the past? This is what is in there:
14/06/2021 12:48 Expired Not Renewed 2019-20 Season Season Ticket Waiting List
14/06/2021 12:48 Expired Not Renewed 2019-20 Season Season Ticket Waiting List
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 08, 2022, 09:37:06 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on September 08, 2022, 09:48:02 AM
Right, this is complicated, but when people went on this list around Jun-21 it incorrectly stated this was for the 2019-20 season. I know this as my brothers says exactly the same and I put him on the list in Jun-21. The summary looks exactly the same as yours above, ieSo despite joining 2 years ago, we still stand somewhere around 10,500 on the non-existent waiting list.If you joined 2 years ago you should be significantly higher than that. People who joined in Jun-21 seem to be at 7k ish.
So this is interesting.
We were on the list from the 2019-20 season, but I'm now having a look on my digital account and in my season ticket history which is linked to my wife and daughter's ID it is saying that our request expired on 14/6/21 and was not renewed. I do remember signing up a second time at some point, but I thought this was just confirming that we still wanted the place on the list - it's probably my fault and I missed some communication, but has anyone else had to renew their place on the list in the past? This is what is in there:
14/06/2021 12:48 Expired Not Renewed 2019-20 Season Season Ticket Waiting List
14/06/2021 12:48 Expired Not Renewed 2019-20 Season Season Ticket Waiting List
02/06/2021 13:07 Expired Not Renewed 2019-20 Season Season Ticket Waiting List
I can confirm he is still on the list notwithstanding the wording in this summary.
From the above I'd say you joined in Jun-21 and are now prob 8k ish on the list?
Post by: chrisw1 on September 08, 2022, 09:58:57 AM
There will no doubt be people still on that list who don’t want a ST any more or won’t have the money at the point they are given the chance to buy one but if you think about it, we are adding 7500 seats, so if there are nearly 30k on the list, it’s only going to take 25% off then to buy to fill those seats.Unfortunately it's worse than that. I think someone posted in the stadium thread that of the new seats only about 4.5k are stanadard seats, the rest of the capacity increase will be hospitality (I assume this means converting more of the Trinity to hospitality, not half the new stand being hospitality)
And that’s ignoring potential new and returning former ST holders who aren’t on the list
Post by: darren woolley on September 08, 2022, 10:00:27 AM
Post by: Dave P on September 08, 2022, 10:37:39 AM
Post by: AVFC_Herts on September 08, 2022, 11:04:34 AM
Daughter went on list in May 2020 and circa 6300
Post by: chrisw1 on September 08, 2022, 11:25:52 AM
Just logged on, went on list in Nov 2019 with my son and about 5300 in the queue!I'm amazed you and your son are still at 5k, that sounds wrong given where others are and when they joined
Daughter went on list in May 2020 and circa 6300
Post by: Pat Mustard on September 08, 2022, 11:38:13 AM
Right, this is complicated, but when people went on this list around Jun-21 it incorrectly stated this was for the 2019-20 season. I know this as my brothers says exactly the same and I put him on the list in Jun-21. The summary looks exactly the same as yours above, ieSo despite joining 2 years ago, we still stand somewhere around 10,500 on the non-existent waiting list.If you joined 2 years ago you should be significantly higher than that. People who joined in Jun-21 seem to be at 7k ish.
So this is interesting.
We were on the list from the 2019-20 season, but I'm now having a look on my digital account and in my season ticket history which is linked to my wife and daughter's ID it is saying that our request expired on 14/6/21 and was not renewed. I do remember signing up a second time at some point, but I thought this was just confirming that we still wanted the place on the list - it's probably my fault and I missed some communication, but has anyone else had to renew their place on the list in the past? This is what is in there:
14/06/2021 12:48 Expired Not Renewed 2019-20 Season Season Ticket Waiting List
14/06/2021 12:48 Expired Not Renewed 2019-20 Season Season Ticket Waiting List
02/06/2021 13:07 Expired Not Renewed 2019-20 Season Season Ticket Waiting List
I can confirm he is still on the list notwithstanding the wording in this summary.
From the above I'd say you joined in Jun-21 and are now prob 8k ish on the list?
We definitely originally joined the list prior to June 21 - I'm fairly certain it would have been when we bought our first memberships, which was around Christmas 2019. I might try to contact the club to find out what happened to the original applications - with the Covid interruption happening not long after I'm concerned I missed something at that point.
Post by: AVFC_Herts on September 08, 2022, 11:52:48 AM
26th Nov 2019 placed 5321
9th May 2020 placed 6300 (Daughter)
Just wanted to gauge people's own experience before I approached the club and they fob me off!!
Heard stories of people being on the list for less time and offered a ticket but I put that down to nonsense!
Post by: astonvilla82 on September 08, 2022, 12:06:12 PM
Must admit I'd expected an email from the club this summer.just discussing this with my son, he went on the waiting list about June 2020 and got a season ticket about July 2020,he said must have been on the waiting list years before, but I told him we didn't have one till we got promoted, still received July 2022 email asking him to apply for a season ticket and have informed them that he has one and because he had 2 ID'S, they would change his details, but only this week he received another email that he was about 3100 on the list
26th Nov 2019 placed 5321
9th May 2020 placed 6300 (Daughter)
Just wanted to gauge people's own experience before I approached the club and they fob me off!!
Heard stories of people being on the list for less time and offered a ticket but I put that down to nonsense!
Post by: astonvilla82 on September 08, 2022, 12:08:09 PM
Post by: AVFC_Herts on September 08, 2022, 12:23:42 PM
Will continue attending via our memberships and hope for a rapid completion of the North Stand.
Post by: eamonn on September 08, 2022, 03:16:46 PM
Post by: amfy on September 08, 2022, 04:01:02 PM
Post by: purpletrousers on September 08, 2022, 06:26:09 PM
So rather embarrassingly it took me about 5 months after her birth to get my youngest on the ST waiting list.
That was 2/7/21 and the club have told me she is today 12,553 on the waiting list.
I’ve encouraged a few people to be on the waiting list just in case their circumstances change and they can afford/it makes sense to have STs by the time they come to the top, so agree there would be a minority who are less likely to take up, but hope this gives a picture of where things are at…
Do we have any sense of the ‘natural wastage’ of how many don’t renew in recent years?
I’m guessing I’ll be sharing one ST between two little ones for a few years…
Waiting list position:
2/7/21 joined
1/6/22 12533 of 26,000
7/9/22 12136
Doesn’t look like I’m going to be struggling with juggling two little ones any time soon…
So are we clear if it depends which stand is selected to how much movement you manage in the queue, or how does it work?
How many years does anyone think It’ll take to get to 12k? I guess it depends on natural wastage, people on the list who don’t actually take up, the extra ?4,500 in the new N stand etc
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 09, 2022, 06:03:14 AM
Post by: amfy on September 09, 2022, 08:15:37 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 09, 2022, 08:32:49 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 09, 2022, 09:36:38 PM
30,000 on a waiting list to be able to buy a season ticket at the current significant cost.
I never thought that would happen.
We've not even had anything remotely resembling success. We haven't even finished in the top half for over a decade, and for three of those years, we weren't even IN the top flight.
Post by: Pat McMahon on September 09, 2022, 10:12:06 PM
I didMe too. And I picked the north stand because I figured it would be the least popular, even though I don’t like it there.
Post by: purpletrousers on September 09, 2022, 10:43:42 PM
It's an arse that the seats next to us are free but labelled as 'ambulant' or somesuch, apparently kept there to support wheel chair spaces behind which makes no sense as they are a couple of rows away.
I guess (given there are so few Saturday games / at times I can actually take #1 to) maybe I'll have to try to prioritise getting in first if they are still free when I'm brave enough to take eg a 2 yo and a 3 yo towards the end of the season, might need to recruit Grandpa along to manage that I think!
On the whole waiting list thing, I think whoever at club created it deserves a medal in a business/marketing sense. I distinctly remember being a floating voter on whether to act, but I think the whole Fear of Missing Out psychology thing kicked in, I was only briefly on the w list, i think they didn't *really* need it at that stage, but it's very creation changed the psychology around STs, all of a sudden it made them seem more inaccessible.
Additionally it being free and easy to be on the list, even if you were uncertain when signing up (overlooking of course those whose finances sadly shifted to mean they can no longer afford) the very being kept waiting/something being unattainable probably means you are more likely to bite when your place comes up in some ways.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 12, 2022, 10:13:32 AM
If you go on there now it asks you which standIt has done for a few years. My uderstanding is that it doesn't make any difference what order you are offered a ticket, it's more a market research thing. Certainly when your turn comes you can pick any available seat in the ground.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 12, 2022, 07:24:54 PM
Do they have any idea what is actually going on?
I genuinely have no idea - no kids, see.
Post by: Risso on September 12, 2022, 07:27:38 PM
Serious question - is there any point taking a two year old to a football match?
Do they have any idea what is actually going on?
I genuinely have no idea - no kids, see.
I can't speak for anybody else, but it wouldn't be my idea of fun.
Post by: FrankyH on September 12, 2022, 07:37:42 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 12, 2022, 07:38:35 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 12, 2022, 07:38:54 PM
Serious question - is there any point taking a two year old to a football match?no point.
Do they have any idea what is actually going on?
I genuinely have no idea - no kids, see.
Post by: john e on September 13, 2022, 02:32:57 PM
Serious question - is there any point taking a two year old to a football match?
Do they have any idea what is actually going on?
I genuinely have no idea - no kids, see.
Absolutely no point but I still took my eldest lad when he was 3 against Norwich some 31 years ago
My youngest was five all he did was eat crisps and sweets the whole time it was against Chelsea he had no clue which team was even Villa,
But I’m still glad I did it, My two girls were a lot older when they went to their first game
I don’t buy programs anymore but I have all the programs of All my kids first games, it’s a bit of a rite of passage you don’t always understand what’s going on but it might mean something later on
Like I’ve always said especially if you don’t live in Birmingham
‘ you’ve got to get them while they’re young or they’ll end up supporting someone good‘
Post by: j66acd on September 13, 2022, 04:07:43 PM
Serious question - is there any point taking a two year old to a football match?
Do they have any idea what is actually going on?
I genuinely have no idea - no kids, see.
My eldest is 6 in December and I took him to the Everton game last season as his first and I think it was overwhelming and we left at half time so missed all of the action. Saying that, he’s been to 6 games since then and is now football mad. Seeing him celebrate when we score is better than us actually scoring!! Take loads of sweets, go to the fun zone and the park before the game and don’t park your car too far away would be my advice.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 13, 2022, 04:19:54 PM
I assume, anyway
Post by: Risso on September 13, 2022, 05:21:01 PM
Get that but 5 or 6 is a different thing altogether to a 2 year old.
I assume, anyway
My daughter was 6 when she went to her first game this season, and she loved it.
Post by: Drummond on September 13, 2022, 05:23:37 PM
Get that but 5 or 6 is a different thing altogether to a 2 year old.
I assume, anyway
My daughter was 6 when she went to her first game this season, and she loved it.
Takes after her mum then? ;)
Post by: Chris Smith on September 13, 2022, 05:35:36 PM
Get that but 5 or 6 is a different thing altogether to a 2 year old.
I assume, anyway
After a big row with my ex-wife who didn’t want me to go to a game even though the arrangements had been in place for weeks I ended up taking my son aged 3 rather than back down. We were stood on the Holte and I had to carry him for the whole 90 minutes but the Villa won and I like to think so did I.
Post by: TheMalandro on September 13, 2022, 07:21:55 PM
Get that but 5 or 6 is a different thing altogether to a 2 year old.
I assume, anyway
My daughter was 6 when she went to her first game this season, and she loved it.
Which team did you go and see?
Post by: Lucky Eddie on September 13, 2022, 07:46:55 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 13, 2022, 09:44:33 PM
Get that but 5 or 6 is a different thing altogether to a 2 year old.
I assume, anyway
My daughter was 6 when she went to her first game this season, and she loved it.
Which team did you go and see?
TBF the less you understand what is unfolding in front of you, the more fun it is.
Post by: PeterWithe on September 13, 2022, 09:46:16 PM
Serious question - is there any point taking a two year old to a football match?
Do they have any idea what is actually going on?
I genuinely have no idea - no kids, see.
From experience, no. None whatsoever. When I did I think we were on the way home before the first offside was given.
Post by: purpletrousers on September 13, 2022, 10:43:49 PM
I hadn't thought of starting so early and was going to give up the STs until an old boss of mine I respected explained her husband had started taking their youngest to another club at 2. The bottom line was also I wasn't going to go without said child, so maybe the limited matchday experience is compared to none at all. There is also an element of deeply needing some time away doing this for my own sanity.
For one thing my little one has always been fairly advanced on the milestones, but I think this will be of marginal consideration.
We have a fab day out together, and I've been exceptionally careful to offer not taking her.
It's been very mixed, it's varied from watching intently for 60mins before any distraction whatsoever, to not watching much at all. Usually it's between the two. Forgetting the tablet at the Man City game was a mistake. I wouldn't do it outside the family zone where people are pretty understanding re: trips to the toilet and friendly. I probably wouldn't do it if they hadn't made the fun zone every game (that we go to at least). We don't make every game so have to pass on some tickets.
Our routine now is a fab massive play place at Rugby services, walk/run across Aston Park see Aston Hall, Fun Zone with face painting is the natural highlight (technically for over 3s) and playground after the game. We bring sandwiches and plenty of treats. Yep it requires organisation, moving with little kids is a bit of a military operation, but then she's been to Africa twice before her third birthday.
It'd be fair to say at its worst she's loved the day with Daddy with the actual match the lowlight, but still is clear about wanting to come again.
The video of her on my shoulders waving a flag when the 80/81/82 squad came out "the old men daddy use to watch" is priceless, I cried at that moment of happy memories of being at Highbury with my Dad, at being at Rotterdam with my Dad and my late Grandad, and now having her there with me.
I think there could be fair criticism of not finding time to do other things/going other places.
Yet...I got the pic of the pregnancy stick at half time in Deano's first game, she was middle named after the play off result, her initials are AV, she shocks her Nanny at knowing entire chants that she starts up sometimes, I guess it's just what we are and what we do. My concern is more how I work out who to bring if I can't get another ticket or how #2 will find it.
I wouldn't rush to urge anyone to do anything, but will happily share my top tips, much as I benefitted from others that advised me (thanks!). We left the pantomime last Xmas less than half way through as she was scared, we've not left a match. Yet!
Post by: VinnieChase84 on September 14, 2022, 09:30:50 AM
Post by: Ads on September 14, 2022, 09:38:14 AM
Post by: AV82EC on September 14, 2022, 10:39:52 AM
Post by: Three Spires Villa on September 14, 2022, 11:15:01 AM
Post by: boozey182 on September 14, 2022, 11:28:10 AM
We had a whole row of seats to the three of us, and lots of snack, so he was fine. There wasn't too much noise, or excitement.
I waited until the end of last season, when he was 5, to take him to a proper game. He enjoyed it, and has asked to go again, which is a win. He plays football every Saturday morning, which he enjoys, and he'll tell everyone he's a Villa fan, but he still hasn't caught the bug yet. He'll sit and watch a bit of a game on TV, but he's interested in everything, so it's not normally long before he goes off to do something else. A work in progress...
My youngest isn't quite 2 yet, but we have tickets for all four of us to go and watch the Women on Sunday at VP. Again, I figured that there won't be too much noise, and the tickets are so cheap that if we end up leaving after 20 minutes, it isn't the end of the world. I suspect that he'll last longer than that though, he's obsessed with any type of ball sport - on the TV, kicking one around the house, whacking one with a stick. So I'm hoping that enthusiasm means that he'll be happy to watch the match on Sunday, and it will act as a gateway. They're both on the waiting list for season tickets, and I can't wait until they can come regularly with me, my brother and my dad. I want them to do whatever makes them happy in their lives, but with one crucial exception: They're Villa fans.
Every kid is different. Snacks are absolutely key. And be prepared to leave at any given point.
Post by: Drummond on September 14, 2022, 11:30:35 AM
Ear defenders are useful. He wore them a bit for his first game because I think he'd have wanted to leave if we hadn't. He settled down though in the second half and decided against them, though I took then for the next few games just in case.
Snacks are essential, especially as it's almost impossible to get served in the concourse and pretty overwhelming for someone so short!
Post by: London Villan on September 14, 2022, 11:33:19 AM
I was taken to my first match at 5 (1982), in the pub at 1pm, surrounded by smoke, swearing, beers. Glass of coke and a bag of crisps, maybe given 20p to have a go on the fruit-machine. Parked up at the ground at 2:45pm, straight-in, quick trip to the toilets, not allowed to move during the game. I was hooked.
I wouldn't dream of doing that today with my little one!
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 14, 2022, 11:39:19 AM
I went when I was 6, and took my lad too.
Bloody Hell! They start breeding young in Yorkshire.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 14, 2022, 12:11:19 PM
Post by: Drummond on September 14, 2022, 04:20:24 PM
I went when I was 6, and took my lad too.
Bloody Hell! They start breeding young in Yorkshire.
;D :o
Post by: eamonn on September 14, 2022, 05:15:50 PM
Get that but 5 or 6 is a different thing altogether to a 2 year old.
I assume, anyway
After a big row with my ex-wife who didn’t want me to go to a game even though the arrangements had been in place for weeks I ended up taking my son aged 3 rather than back down. We were stood on the Holte and I had to carry him for the whole 90 minutes but the Villa won and I like to think so did I.
What game was it and did your son get the bug (later)?
Post by: Chris Smith on September 14, 2022, 06:06:46 PM
Get that but 5 or 6 is a different thing altogether to a 2 year old.
I assume, anyway
After a big row with my ex-wife who didn’t want me to go to a game even though the arrangements had been in place for weeks I ended up taking my son aged 3 rather than back down. We were stood on the Holte and I had to carry him for the whole 90 minutes but the Villa won and I like to think so did I.
What game was it and did your son get the bug (later)?
We beat Arsenal 2-1 in around 1990, he’s been a season ticket holder next to me for 20 odd years - thankfully able to pay for his own now.
Post by: WassallVillain on September 14, 2022, 07:24:32 PM
Post by: Flin5tone on September 15, 2022, 01:28:08 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 15, 2022, 01:53:21 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on September 15, 2022, 01:58:20 PM
Still plenty of availability for tomorrow eveningWhen you say plenty you mean 370. For a televised Friday night game.
I'd guess the majority of these will go.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 15, 2022, 02:01:38 PM
Post by: Flin5tone on September 15, 2022, 02:07:00 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on September 15, 2022, 02:43:52 PM
Yet the club will not list resale seats?You sure, they normally relist when there's this few left I think? Could be wrong tho.
Post by: Border villan on September 15, 2022, 02:53:11 PM
Yet the club will not list resale seats?Does this hint that your not going.
Post by: saunders_heroes on September 15, 2022, 08:51:20 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 15, 2022, 10:04:12 PM
Post by: eamonn on September 15, 2022, 10:09:47 PM
Post by: purpletrousers on September 15, 2022, 10:33:44 PM
I like the way this thread has evolved from troll Fred dissing the waiting list and anything positive to seasoned Villans blooding their offspring in the Villa way. I took my own son from about age 6 onwards and he had a season ticket from age 8. We started low with youth and low level cup games. He always understood that he would hear stuff that mustn’t be repeated near mum. The only time he was scared was that infamous game of 030303 where he was scared by the behaviour of our own fans.
Plus ca change. But yes, it’s good to dilute the misery.
I’d still prefer to think generously and not make troll accusations, but then that would sort of require me to feel the need to point out ‘with our mind we make the world’ and thus Mr F you are creating yourself immense suffering, and any valid points you make tend to get lost in the (far from) comedy of being a permanent grump.
Anyway, it’s soon Friday night down the Villa and I’m honoured to be joined by none other than Mr Sexy Ealing himself rather than a 3yo. Do I still need to bring treats and the colouring pencils? I’m not staying in the face painting queue for you btw while you get upset because some bigger kids wouldn’t let you play giant connect 4..
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 15, 2022, 10:45:08 PM
I like the way this thread has evolved from troll Fred dissing the waiting list and anything positive to seasoned Villans blooding their offspring in the Villa way. I took my own son from about age 6 onwards and he had a season ticket from age 8. We started low with youth and low level cup games. He always understood that he would hear stuff that mustn’t be repeated near mum. The only time he was scared was that infamous game of 030303 where he was scared by the behaviour of our own fans.
Plus ca change. But yes, it’s good to dilute the misery.
I’d still prefer to think generously and not make troll accusations, but then that would sort of require me to feel the need to point out ‘with our mind we make the world’ and thus Mr F you are creating yourself immense suffering, and any valid points you make tend to get lost in the (far from) comedy of being a permanent grump.
Anyway, it’s soon Friday night down the Villa and I’m honoured to be joined by none other than Mr Sexy Ealing himself rather than a 3yo. Do I still need to bring treats and the colouring pencils? I’m not staying in the face painting queue for you btw while you get upset because some bigger kids wouldn’t let you play giant connect 4..
A balloon and a small number of sweets will suffice, thank you.
Post by: Dave P on September 16, 2022, 09:03:43 AM
236 tickets left. A fuckin’ disgrace!
For a game that was only confirmed as on a few days ago.
Post by: Dave P on September 16, 2022, 09:04:05 AM
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Amazing!!
Post by: Ads on September 16, 2022, 09:08:14 AM
236 tickets left. A fuckin’ disgrace!
For a game that was only confirmed as on a few days ago.
178 now. Different level of support since Smith took over (at home anyway-away support went up several notches when we were relegated).
Post by: Border villan on September 16, 2022, 09:12:21 AM
236 tickets left. A fuckin’ disgrace!
For a game that was only confirmed as on a few days ago.
178 now. Different level of support since Smith took over (at home anyway-away support went up several notches when we were relegated).
Just over 150 left now.
Only 20+ sold in the last few minutes. That IS a DISGRACE!
Post by: Drummond on September 16, 2022, 09:50:42 AM
I like the way this thread has evolved from troll Fred dissing the waiting list and anything positive to seasoned Villans blooding their offspring in the Villa way. I took my own son from about age 6 onwards and he had a season ticket from age 8. We started low with youth and low level cup games. He always understood that he would hear stuff that mustn’t be repeated near mum. The only time he was scared was that infamous game of 030303 where he was scared by the behaviour of our own fans.
Plus ca change. But yes, it’s good to dilute the misery.
I’d still prefer to think generously and not make troll accusations, but then that would sort of require me to feel the need to point out ‘with our mind we make the world’ and thus Mr F you are creating yourself immense suffering, and any valid points you make tend to get lost in the (far from) comedy of being a permanent grump.
Anyway, it’s soon Friday night down the Villa and I’m honoured to be joined by none other than Mr Sexy Ealing himself rather than a 3yo. Do I still need to bring treats and the colouring pencils? I’m not staying in the face painting queue for you btw while you get upset because some bigger kids wouldn’t let you play giant connect 4..
A balloon and a small number of sweets will suffice, thank you.
Ooh, kinky!
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 16, 2022, 03:32:32 PM
Cancel the new North Stand and come clean about the so-called 'waiting list'
Post by: Ads on September 16, 2022, 04:32:18 PM
88 seats unsold.
Cancel the new North Stand and come clean about the so-called 'waiting list'PutinNSWE!
33 unsold now.
Disgrace/monster/chipped paint/working class/so called waiting list
Post by: Drummond on September 16, 2022, 04:46:23 PM
88 seats unsold.
Cancel the new North Stand and come clean about the so-called 'waiting list'PutinNSWE!
33 unsold now.
Disgrace/monster/chipped paint/working class/so called waiting list
I didn't buy one.
Post by: Risso on September 17, 2022, 12:36:29 AM
Post by: Clampy on September 17, 2022, 12:38:29 AM
A crap effort from Southmpton tonight. Almost the entire top tier empty.
Are you the Southampton Wilma?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 17, 2022, 12:43:01 AM
Post by: spangley1812 on September 17, 2022, 12:07:25 PM
A crap effort from Southmpton tonight. Almost the entire top tier empty.
They were Villa fans, Saints only took the lower 3 blocks
Post by: Ads on September 17, 2022, 01:13:37 PM
Post by: olaftab on September 17, 2022, 01:17:14 PM
Post by: Risso on September 17, 2022, 01:27:19 PM
They're shit, it's approx 3 hours each way, for a Friday night game that's live on TV and in the current financial climate, fair play to those that made the journey.
On the other hand, other than Bournemouth and the more westerly London clubs, we're their easiest away game to get to.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 17, 2022, 01:53:20 PM
They're shit, it's approx 3 hours each way, for a Friday night game that's live on TV and in the current financial climate, fair play to those that made the journey.
On the other hand, other than Bournemouth and the more westerly London clubs, we're their easiest away game to get to.
Which doesn't change any of what I said. It's all very Newcastle to mock fans for an away game under those circumstances.
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 17, 2022, 09:13:09 PM
They're shit, it's approx 3 hours each way, for a Friday night game that's live on TV and in the current financial climate, fair play to those that made the journey.
And given the choice I think I'd rather travel from Southampton to Villa Park than Chelsea on a Friday.
On the other hand, other than Bournemouth and the more westerly London clubs, we're their easiest away game to get to.