Quote from: London Villan on June 30, 2022, 10:15:50 AMI'm not even sure he was the right person... another terrible decision - waiting months for Houllier, appointing TSM, then TSM2, then Tactics and Garde to finish the list of the worst run of Villa managers in history...A list:McLeishLambertSherwoodGardeDi MatteoBruceI've left out pauliewalnuts best pal Eric Black as he was only a caretaker.The list is bad enough in it's own right, but it's scary to think the best manager out of that lot is Bruce.
I'm not even sure he was the right person... another terrible decision - waiting months for Houllier, appointing TSM, then TSM2, then Tactics and Garde to finish the list of the worst run of Villa managers in history...
Quote from: LeeB on June 30, 2022, 10:58:25 AMQuote from: London Villan on June 30, 2022, 10:15:50 AMI'm not even sure he was the right person... another terrible decision - waiting months for Houllier, appointing TSM, then TSM2, then Tactics and Garde to finish the list of the worst run of Villa managers in history...A list:McLeishLambertSherwoodGardeDi MatteoBruceI've left out pauliewalnuts best pal Eric Black as he was only a caretaker.The list is bad enough in it's own right, but it's scary to think the best manager out of that lot is Bruce.It takes a special kind of stupidity to make those appointments one after another (although at the time, maybe Lambert was forgivable given his CV up to then.) Taking on McLeish after he relegated Birmingham is still utterly baffling.
As i posted the other day, Trez about to leave
Quote from: LeeB on June 30, 2022, 10:58:25 AMQuote from: London Villan on June 30, 2022, 10:15:50 AMI'm not even sure he was the right person... another terrible decision - waiting months for Houllier, appointing TSM, then TSM2, then Tactics and Garde to finish the list of the worst run of Villa managers in history...A list:McLeishLambertSherwoodGardeDi MatteoBruceI've left out pauliewalnuts best pal Eric Black as he was only a caretaker.The list is bad enough in it's own right, but it's scary to think the best manager out of that lot is Bruce.It's all very "tallest dwarf" stuff, but I wouldn't have have said that Bruce did any better with us than McLeish or Lambert did and the high points of their achievements elsewhere are probably superior to Bruce's.
Quote from: Dave on June 30, 2022, 11:32:08 AMQuote from: LeeB on June 30, 2022, 10:58:25 AMQuote from: London Villan on June 30, 2022, 10:15:50 AMI'm not even sure he was the right person... another terrible decision - waiting months for Houllier, appointing TSM, then TSM2, then Tactics and Garde to finish the list of the worst run of Villa managers in history...A list:McLeishLambertSherwoodGardeDi MatteoBruceI've left out pauliewalnuts best pal Eric Black as he was only a caretaker.The list is bad enough in it's own right, but it's scary to think the best manager out of that lot is Bruce.It's all very "tallest dwarf" stuff, but I wouldn't have have said that Bruce did any better with us than McLeish or Lambert did and the high points of their achievements elsewhere are probably superior to Bruce's.I think that's generous to Lambert. He had a bit of success with Wycombe and only has promotions with Norwich from League 1 and the Championship, and never achieved anything else anywhere.
Quote from: ventnorVillain on June 30, 2022, 10:46:19 AMThe Villa job is a managers' graveyard full stop. Almost no one in our history has left to have an illustrious career elsewhere. I will happily be proven wrong, but I think the last one was Joe Mercer back in the 1960s and even he left us after suffering a nervous breakdown. He did a great job at Man. City, but even now there are many people who will point to Malcolm Allison's coaching ability at the club as the main reason for their success.My theory with this is simply that Villa are in a very small group of clubs that are effectively impossible to 'move up' from. A manager who's a success at Villa doesn't need to move up, because being a successful Villa manager necessarily means that you'd be consistently in the top 2 or 3 positions in the league and winning trophies. Anything like finishing e.g. 5th season-on-season is not considered a success - see MON for details.So the only way you make a success of Villa is to win things, and by winning things then any other move would be a move down. Or you don't make a success of Villa, in which case no "big" club is going to give you a job because you've already tried (and failed) at the best opportunity you're ever going to get. You've been given the reigns of the largest of all sleeping giants - a club with complete dominance (in terms of support) over one of the largest urban areas in the country, and for many miles in any direction past that - and failed.
The Villa job is a managers' graveyard full stop. Almost no one in our history has left to have an illustrious career elsewhere. I will happily be proven wrong, but I think the last one was Joe Mercer back in the 1960s and even he left us after suffering a nervous breakdown. He did a great job at Man. City, but even now there are many people who will point to Malcolm Allison's coaching ability at the club as the main reason for their success.
I think you're doing his Norwich achievements a bit of a disservice. Taking them from the bottom of League One to 12th in the Premier League in three seasons is more impressive than anything the others have done*They wouldn't be bouncing around the top of the Championship / Premier League relegation fodder today without what did for them.
I think winning a proper trophy with the shite is a major achievement. Taken on its own merits and ignoring the fact that he took them down the same season, of course.