Summer 2022 Transfer Thread

[UK Redsox]

I wouldn’t sell SJM on FFP grounds unless it was genuinely an issue. Think he’s a great player who’ll flourish with a good defensive midfielder behind him. Certainly not for £40m, we’d not (easily) replace him for that.

The thing is though, with a good defensive midfielder in the side, I don't think that there's a regular starting place for SJM

[ASHTONVILLA]

Looking at which players are being linked with moves out is interesting.

Trezeguet (Trabsponsor £8m), Traore (vague links), El Ghazi (certain to go) - all make sense given we have a lot of wingers on the books and seldom use any of them.

Ings (vague links suggesting he might be sold), Davis (Forrest £10m), Archer (loans linked to Watford, PNE, Rangers).

McGinn (>£40m Man Utd, Spurs), Luiz (>£25m Roma), Sanson (?).

Hause (West Ham), Mings (vague link to Newcastle >£30m).

Add to that other fringe players like Kalinic, Steer, Nakamba and there are lot of players that could be out the door should we find homes for them.

If even half of that go then there should be plenty of space for another big purchase or two (Striker and central midfield), and for some of the more advanced youth players to get on the bench (especially with 5 subs). Can see Chukwuemeka, Kessler-Hayden, Archer, and Iroebunam getting plenty of appearances, and maybe Philogene Bidace also.

Looking at the rumours for outgoings, I certainly think we will get another central midfielder (been linked with Oxlade Chamberlain), and a striker. Would also not surprise me if we signed another central defender as well (linked with Collins (Burnley), Bassey (Rangers). If that happened maybe Mings will go (like Targett don't think he would hang around on a bench) although I'd rather he stayed as competition.

The squad will be lot better suited to having good competition for the preffered formation if that happens.

Edit - forgot Sanson, can't see him staying.

[chrisw1]

Is FFP really a problem?

By my maths our total spend (source transfermarkt.co.uk) from last summer until now is c£166m and we've recouped c£130m over the same period (Jack, Targett, Samata, Engels).  So net spend of approx £36m so far over two summers and the Jan window.  This doesn't sound like high roller stuff to me. 

Even if we hadn't sold Jack last summer surely we would have budgeted to spend at least that last summer?  I appreciate wages have moved significantly and I don't know the FFP maths, but surely £50m a year must be achievable for big clubs?   Even if we spend another £60m this summer, we'd still only be net spend of £50m per year for 21/22 and 22/23.

[Paul.S]

I think we’ve played SJM out of position for a while now. Even under Smith this season he was played as a defensive midfielder at times.
As we all know he’s at his best on the front foot, running beyond our forward(s) or at the opposition. For me, it’s frustrating as he’s a terrific player if used properly. I wouldn’t contemplate letting him go but would play to his strengths and not restrict him.
If he fell out with Beale that’s no big issues as things like this happen all the time. He definitely doesn’t show it in his effort on the pitch which is where it counts.

[Percy McCarthy]

I’m not a big fan of two of the players we could get big money for - SJM and Ollie. But then again I don’t think too much change is healthy and they’ve both got great attitudes - on the pitch at least. Luiz I’d cash in on as I think he’s out of contract next year.

[Clark W Griswold]

Bale would be an absolutely stupid move.

He didn't give a shit about Real Madrid in his latter years (not compared to Wales and golf, in any case, which he thought was funny) and he's basically looking for somewhere for a nice jog around until the world cup, after which he'll have absolutely no motivation to even pretend to try.

Its rare that i'd ever be 100% against an incoming transfer, i was with Drinkwater but don't really remember any other certainly in recent times. I would be with Bale though, it would be utterly moronic.

[Brazilian Villain]

Its rare that i'd ever be 100% against an incoming transfer, i was with Drinkwater but don't really remember any other certainly in recent times. I would be with Bale though, it would be utterly moronic.

You'd go apeshit, wouldn't you?

[Clark W Griswold]

Indeed :-)

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Bale would be an absolutely stupid move.

He didn't give a shit about Real Madrid in his latter years (not compared to Wales and golf, in any case, which he thought was funny) and he's basically looking for somewhere for a nice jog around until the world cup, after which he'll have absolutely no motivation to even pretend to try.

Suarez would be bad enough, but Bale would be even worse.

To be fair to Bale, Real Madrid stopped giving a shit about Bale long before he stopped with them. They tried everything to force him out, the press, the fans, dropping him from the squad, benching him but leaving him there to get splinters, I actually felt sorry for him but that's Madrid.

That said, you're right in that he'd only be looking to improve his fitness and once again he'd be wasting his exceptional talent. Suarez makes slightly more sense but it would only be for a season and he'd be another saving his energy for the World Cup. We do need a proper striker that can deliver week in, week out, somebody that may only get one chance all game but takes it. I'd cash in now on Ollie, his value will only decrease and there won't be so many interested decent clubs around this time next year. The only problem I see is there are quite a few clubs looking to bring in a top striker and competition will be fierce.

[eamonn]

Feel sorry for Bale? Come on...why did Madrid bench him in the first place? The cnut learned five words of Spanish in 10 years, ate Welsh Rarebit for lunch every day and didn't join in reindeer games. He was a complete charlatan.

[chrisw1]

Feel sorry for Bale? Come on...why did Madrid bench him in the first place? The cnut learned five words of Spanish in 10 years, ate Welsh Rarebit for lunch every day and didn't join in reindeer games. He was a complete charlatan.

And could have left at any time to carry on his career at the top level, but decided to stay to earn even more money that he'll ever be able to spend.

[cdbearsfan]

Could he have left at any time? He agreed to go to China but Real Madrid pulled the plug at the last minute because they suddenly decided they wanted a massive transfer fee for a player they were desperate to get rid of.

[ozzjim]

Feel sorry for Bale? Come on...why did Madrid bench him in the first place? The cnut learned five words of Spanish in 10 years, ate Welsh Rarebit for lunch every day and didn't join in reindeer games. He was a complete charlatan.

And could have left at any time to carry on his career at the top level, but decided to stay to earn even more money that he'll ever be able to spend.

Don't get me wrong, I don't feel sorry for him, but.... He scored vital goals in 2 and started another 2 champions league finals. Charlatans tend to be shite, and for a long time he was brilliant. Last 2 years he's sat on huge money, but can you blame him? I would have done the same. I don't want him at villa, but he's copping some harsh stuff there.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Feel sorry for Bale? Come on...why did Madrid bench him in the first place? The cnut learned five words of Spanish in 10 years, ate Welsh Rarebit for lunch every day and didn't join in reindeer games. He was a complete charlatan.

Are you quoting Marca there, Eamonn?

[ChicagoLion]

Is FFP really a problem?

By my maths our total spend (source transfermarkt.co.uk) from last summer until now is c£166m and we've recouped c£130m over the same period (Jack, Targett, Samata, Engels).  So net spend of approx £36m so far over two summers and the Jan window.  This doesn't sound like high roller stuff to me. 

Even if we hadn't sold Jack last summer surely we would have budgeted to spend at least that last summer?  I appreciate wages have moved significantly and I don't know the FFP maths, but surely £50m a year must be achievable for big clubs?   Even if we spend another £60m this summer, we'd still only be net spend of £50m per year for 21/22 and 22/23.

Its not based on transfer spend it is based on losses over a 3 year window. The spend in any one year is subject to amortization, ie a player bought for 50 mil on a 5 year contract = 10 million in cost per annum + his wages for the year.