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Author Topic: Should I stay or should I go?  (Read 25745 times)

Online ChicagoLion

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Re: Should I stay or should i go?
« Reply #60 on: January 12, 2022, 04:36:09 PM »
Depends where it's moved too. There is a massive vacant piece of land slap bang in the city centre. Easily big enough for a new stadium.  It's a visionary thing to do... which isn't one of the Council's strong points.

But imagine a world class stadium in the centre of town. Football first obviously, but concerts, other sports, events... it would be brilliant for the city.
I think that was mentioned on another thread and it is already taken.

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Re: Should I stay or should i go?
« Reply #61 on: January 12, 2022, 04:56:17 PM »
Are there rules that prevent the bars/restaurants opening after full time?

I’d happily delay leaving if there was something decent open, and probably end up spending extra too.
At the Amex they keep the bars open after the game and there's room in the concourses. However, getting away from the ground is, in my experience, even worse than from Villa Park, which brings us back to the importance of good transport links.

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Re: Should I stay or should i go?
« Reply #62 on: January 12, 2022, 05:04:30 PM »
No mention of my monorail, cable car or tunnel solutions  >:(
I for one am absolutely distraught that the proposed cable car & canal tunnel solutions were dismissed so quickly.  I'm not angry, I'm just disappointed.  Poor show, Inglis.  Clearly knows nothing*.


* well, except for a load of buy-on-sight books about football stadium architecture.
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One thing that really struck a bell was something Uli Hoeness (currently Bayern Munich's president) said recently:

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We could charge more than £104 [for a season ticket]. Let’s say we charged £300. We’d get £2m more in income, but what’s £2m to us?

In a transfer discussion, you argue about that sum for five minutes. But the difference between £104 and £300 is huge for the fan. We do not think the fans are like cows, who you milk,

Football has got to be for everybody. That’s the biggest difference between us and England
here: https://www.essentiallysports.com/soccer-news-football-news-fans-are-not-like-cows-bayern-munich-president-slams-england-for-high-ticket-prices/

My feeling is that actually, the need for a 60,000 capacity stadium over and above a 50,000 capacity stadium is a bit exaggerated.  It's what, £5m over the course of a season at most.  Who gives a shit about that when we're spunking more than that each year on Danny Ings' wages?  We may as well stay where we are if that's the only thing we're getting out of it.

Absolutely down for massively upgrading the facilities at Villa Park.  And whilst we're doing that, we may as well increase the capacity of the ground where that's feasible.  But the more I think about it, the less it makes sense to leave.

Sorry, but this 'quote' drives me insane;

-It has no basis in any reputable media source

-Hoeneß is a convicted criminal, not exactly someone we should be looking to for moral lessons

-Bayern Munich have ticket prices that are at the very least similar to Premier League clubs, and absolutely price gouge for Champions League matches. In any case, the average fan can't get a ticket, as those Season tickets are behind a waiting list currently controlled by people who sell the tickets on. Yes, a tiny percentage of BM tickets are sold at a low price, the vast majority are no better than the Premier League

https://twitter.com/dw_sports/status/1143833584832253952?s=20

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Re: Should I stay or should i go?
« Reply #63 on: January 12, 2022, 05:56:20 PM »
Great Q&A with Simon Inglis and the postings show how important Villa Park is to us all.

On the issue of public transport, I"ve posted before on this and like many can remember the queue of Birmingham City Transport (BCT) buses lined up at Witton island ready to head off in each direction of the Outer Circle or into town.

I'm afraid they're gone, never to return.

And that's the fault of Sky, BT and Amazon et al.

In the "good old days", when the fixtures were published in August, the gaffers at BCT knew with 100% certainty when we'd be at home and could roster staff accordingly.

With the constant late changing of kick off times and days, to suit the tv viewers, it's pretty well impossible for trains or buses to be rustled up to meet the needs of fans.

Moving to a new ground elsewhere won't change this ongoing problem.


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Re: Should I stay or should i go?
« Reply #64 on: January 12, 2022, 06:07:14 PM »
That's a good (and sobering) point.

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Re: Should I stay or should I go?
« Reply #65 on: January 12, 2022, 07:22:01 PM »
I am sure when this Football Tzar gets appointed everything will be sorted out.:~}

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Re: Should I stay or should I go?
« Reply #66 on: January 12, 2022, 07:32:12 PM »
Stay and rebuild the North Stand. 
And rebuild the Holte into a single tier monster again.
Put in proper bars and eateries behind the North Stand and in any space nearby.  So people can make a day of it.
Put on fleets of buses.
Job done. 

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Re: Should I stay or should I go?
« Reply #67 on: January 12, 2022, 08:33:21 PM »
In a hypothetical world and we found a location in the centre of town big enough to plonk Spurs’ stadium, would there be enough corporate cash to justify the additional cost?

Relatively speaking it would be cheap to demolish and re-build the north stand to test the demand for expensive corporate tickets.  we’d get our money back in ten years and in the meantime serious thought could be given to slowly acquiring warehouses (or whatever) closer to the city centre.

Moving to the NEC would be fucking awful.

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Re: Should I stay or should I go?
« Reply #68 on: January 12, 2022, 08:37:30 PM »
Remain.

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Re: Should I stay or should I go?
« Reply #69 on: January 12, 2022, 08:54:22 PM »
If we are serious about competing at the top level we have to expand to between 50-60k and I’d be happy to stay to achieve that as long as we can sort out the myriad of issues with the current stadium.

If that isn’t feasible I’d be happy to move but if we did it would need to be closer in and on the Aston side of the City Centre.

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Re: Should I stay or should I go?
« Reply #70 on: January 12, 2022, 09:01:03 PM »
Thinking about having some sort of attraction at/near VP, you could wonder why not expand the current drink facilities to outside the ground. However, perhaps five pound a pint/cans being poured into plastics (surely the correct name for a plastic glass?)/service-with-a-grimmace would be tolerated within the ground but not elsewhere.

So what about other attractions? I don't recall how Preston got the National Football Museum or even if Villa bid to host it, but in 2019 (the last full year before you-know-what) it welcomed 210,000 visitors, or an average of 575 per calendar day. Could this have been an opportunity missed? Such a feature could surely have sustained a bar or restaurant or two of each.

Maybe (and I am just brainstorming here) a beer museum could be an answer. Typically Sunday to Friday it is open to mid-fifties, bearded types with a love of warm beer, on Saturday matchdays it's an attraction or simply a watering hole. Like I say, just brainstorming.

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Re: Should I stay or should I go?
« Reply #71 on: January 12, 2022, 09:05:52 PM »
Thinking about having some sort of attraction at/near VP, you could wonder why not expand the current drink facilities to outside the ground. However, perhaps five pound a pint/cans being poured into plastics (surely the correct name for a plastic glass?)/service-with-a-grimmace would be tolerated within the ground but not elsewhere.

So what about other attractions? I don't recall how Preston got the National Football Museum or even if Villa bid to host it, but in 2019 (the last full year before you-know-what) it welcomed 210,000 visitors, or an average of 575 per calendar day. Could this have been an opportunity missed? Such a feature could surely have sustained a bar or restaurant or two of each.

Maybe (and I am just brainstorming here) a beer museum could be an answer. Typically Sunday to Friday it is open to mid-fifties, bearded types with a love of warm beer, on Saturday matchdays it's an attraction or simply a watering hole. Like I say, just brainstorming.

Preston got it because we couldn't be arsed bidding then it moved to Manchester in 2012.

Offline LeonW

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Re: Should I stay or should I go?
« Reply #72 on: January 12, 2022, 09:09:56 PM »
Stay. VP is one of the things I love most about our club. And football romance is on life support as it is.
« Last Edit: January 12, 2022, 09:11:59 PM by LeonW »

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Re: Should I stay or should I go?
« Reply #73 on: January 12, 2022, 09:14:42 PM »
Preston got it because we couldn't be arsed bidding then it moved to Manchester in 2012.
I didn't realise it had moved, but the other part of your answer was what I'd suspected.

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Re: Should I stay or should I go?
« Reply #74 on: January 12, 2022, 09:49:15 PM »
Location, location, location.
No way should we ever consider moving,

There is absolutely no reason why the current transport/travel problems cannot be overcome  with planning, co-operation and investment. It’s in everyone’s best interests, particularly the local residents, to get people away from there quicker.

As for the ground itself I’d love to have known what Tony Xia’s big plans were, if there actually were any. There must be people who were sworn to secrecy on them who can now leak something. Probably all bullshit, like him.

 


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