Michael Oliver v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[LeeB]

We're all seething about the chalked off goal, let's not forget how many times goofy fuckface and fatty Shaw got away with yellow cards before getting one, yet Ramsey was straight in the book for his first foul.

yeah, bunch of cloggers basically,

Same thing happened a couple of years back in the 2-2 draw, they were lining up to kick Joe without once being carded.

[sickbeggar]

I thought they were very physical and of course Oliver let them get away with it. Sometimes we come across as a soft-touch I think which I hope Gerrard will change. Obviously if it was Burnley doing it the media would have been whining about it today.

[kippaxvilla2]

I can’t get away from how bad they were and how we let them off the hook, ridiculous disallowed goal notwithstanding.  How many Fcukin chances do we need?  Ollie is great but he’s never going to be prolific scorer.  I would prefer Ings at the minute.

[LeeB]

I can’t get away from how bad they were and how we let them off the hook, ridiculous disallowed goal notwithstanding.  How many Fcukin chances do we need?  Ollie is great but he’s never going to be prolific scorer.  I would prefer Ings at the minute.

Ings played too, though it was hard to tell at times.

[placeforparks]

i'm disappointed about last night, but if i was a united fan i wouldn't be happy.

they are a shadow of the team that dominated english football for 20 years, and they are so far off man city it's unreal.

[Flamingo Lane]

I can’t get away from how bad they were and how we let them off the hook, ridiculous disallowed goal notwithstanding.  How many Fcukin chances do we need?  Ollie is great but he’s never going to be prolific scorer.  I would prefer Ings at the minute.

Ings played too, though it was hard to tell at times.

Is there a stat out there somewhere that states how many times Ings did actually touch the ball?

[dicedlam]

I was also pissed off with our response when Oliver explains his decision for the goal being disallowed. It just seemed a shrug of acceptance from our players. If that had been the other way around (especially if Keane had been the captain) they would of been in the face of the ref and Keane would of let it be known in no uncertain terms that we don’t agree with the decision and let him know that ‘we hope there is no more controversial decisions going against us for the remainder of the game’. This would definitely of increased the pressure on Oliver and possibly us getting the penalty for the whack in the face of Konsa. Utd have always been the masters of intimidation. It’s about time we also wised up.

[Bobby Boy]

I was also pissed off with our response when Oliver explains his decision for the goal being disallowed. It just seemed a shrug of acceptance from our players. If that had been the other way around (especially if Keane had been the captain) they would of been in the face of the ref and Keane would of let it be known in no uncertain terms that we don’t agree with the decision and let him know that ‘we hope there is no more controversial decisions going against us for the remainder of the game’. This would definitely of increased the pressure on Oliver and possibly us getting the penalty for the whack in the face of Konsa. Utd have always been the masters of intimidation. It’s about time we also wised up.

As has been said elsewhere this is where Ashley Young is particularly good. He doesn't take any bullshit and makes that clear on the pitch to whoever needs to know it.

[mrfuse]

I can’t get away from how bad they were and how we let them off the hook, ridiculous disallowed goal notwithstanding.  How many Fcukin chances do we need?  Ollie is great but he’s never going to be prolific scorer.  I would prefer Ings at the minute.

I think Ollie could get more goals with better service. A lot of the chances he gets are created by himself like last night.
With better crosses from attacking defenders which Gerrard is trying to get sorted he will score more goals.

im still not Convinced with Ings, if he doesn't score you often forget hes on the pitch. Again this could change with better service, so I would say we should be patient before we get overly critical of either of them.

[The Edge]

If you had to keep VAR (and it should be dumped in a landfill imo) then the obvious solution is taking away its use by the same people who gave us Fergie time before VAR. And that is never gonna happen.

Honestly just give it to random neutral fans, who sit there in Stockley Park with a copy of the rules. At least we'd get some bias against the twats for once.

yeah I call it the "playing Subbuteo with yourself" problem. No matter how unbiased you tried to be as a kid, the team you wanted to win invariably did. VAR just amplifies that problem because they're away from action and more importantly no players can get at them or boo them for 90 minutes, while the ref just stands there and goes "not me guv"

I like this analogy. VAR in a nutshell.

[VILLA MOLE]

If you had to keep VAR (and it should be dumped in a landfill imo) then the obvious solution is taking away its use by the same people who gave us Fergie time before VAR. And that is never gonna happen.

Honestly just give it to random neutral fans, who sit there in Stockley Park with a copy of the rules. At least we'd get some bias against the twats for once.

yeah I call it the "playing Subbuteo with yourself" problem. No matter how unbiased you tried to be as a kid, the team you wanted to win invariably did. VAR just amplifies that problem because they're away from action and more importantly no players can get at them or boo them for 90 minutes, while the ref just stands there and goes "not me guv"

I like this analogy. VAR in a nutshell.

god i used to cheat like fuck

[Astral Weeks]

As a matter of interest, how many times has a ref reviewed a decision  on the screen and said, "Nah, I'm happy with my original decision thanks"?
Has anyone ever seen it happen? Because I dont recall a single instance. As soon as they're invited over to the side of the pitch, you just know there's a change coming.

[tomd2103]

If you had to keep VAR (and it should be dumped in a landfill imo) then the obvious solution is taking away its use by the same people who gave us Fergie time before VAR. And that is never gonna happen.

Honestly just give it to random neutral fans, who sit there in Stockley Park with a copy of the rules. At least we'd get some bias against the twats for once.

yeah I call it the "playing Subbuteo with yourself" problem. No matter how unbiased you tried to be as a kid, the team you wanted to win invariably did. VAR just amplifies that problem because they're away from action and more importantly no players can get at them or boo them for 90 minutes, while the ref just stands there and goes "not me guv"

I don't like the challenging of officials in sport, but it is becoming more and more apparent that we are not playing on an even playing field in the Premier League and decisions are costing us. 

Steven Gerrard is a very high profile figure in English football and his views and opinions are going to attract attention.  Although I thought he handled himself well after the game, a small part of me wanted to see him challenge Oliver on the pitch and the officials in the post match interviews, as if to say "we aren't going to accept this anymore".

[Rigadon]

I can’t get away from how bad they were and how we let them off the hook, ridiculous disallowed goal notwithstanding.  How many Fcukin chances do we need?  Ollie is great but he’s never going to be prolific scorer.  I would prefer Ings at the minute.

Ings played too, though it was hard to tell at times.

Neither one of them seems comfortable playing with the other.  Ings is more clinical.  Watkins more physical.  They are both frustrating watches at the moment. 

[LukeJames]

As a matter of interest, how many times has a ref reviewed a decision  on the screen and said, "Nah, I'm happy with my original decision thanks"?

Palace at home last boxing day..... I think.