Michael Oliver v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[tomd2103]

I saw it like this...
The cross comes in with Ramsey in an offside position.  He simply stands his ground and Cavani runs into him, right in front of Oliver. who obviously doesn't deem it a foul.
We score the goal, then VAR look at 2 possible offsides and a handball, all which cannot be proven, even with multiple slo-mo replays.  So, what else can we look at? Ah, the 'foul' by Ramsey, that was right in front of Oliver.

He now thinks he has made a clear and obvious error... it's an absolute load of cheating horse sh!t!

Has it been clarified yet if they gave a foul against Ramsey or adjudged him to be offside?

[Beard82]

I'm excited for Buendia and Countinho playing behind Ollie.

I actually think that Ings and Buendia are on a better wavelength.

Think you might be right - Ings seems to have better movement in the box

[andyh]

I saw it like this...
The cross comes in with Ramsey in an offside position.  He simply stands his ground and Cavani runs into him, right in front of Oliver. who obviously doesn't deem it a foul.
We score the goal, then VAR look at 2 possible offsides and a handball, all which cannot be proven, even with multiple slo-mo replays.  So, what else can we look at? Ah, the 'foul' by Ramsey, that was right in front of Oliver.

He now thinks he has made a clear and obvious error... it's an absolute load of cheating horse sh!t!

Has it been clarified yet if they gave a foul against Ramsey or adjudged him to be offside?

They are still re-writing the actual rule, but all they know is that the goal should be disallowed, reason TBC.

[Lsvilla]

Cheated against these wankers yet again .As soon as i saw Oliver was the referee i feared the worst Ever since he failed to give Sheffield United the goal he should have he seems to go out of his way to give bad decisions against us .Refereeing in general has never been so bad Did anyone watch our U23 game against Boro this afternoon .I kid you not the referee gave Boro a penalty for their striker tripping over his own leg There was no villa player anywhere near him It was such a dreadful decision Ian Taylor who was commentating  could'nt stop laughing

I went to that. Sat behind the Boro bench. All the subs (obviously only kids) and the coaches were pissing themselves. GB was apoplectic.

[Mouse Potato]

I saw it like this...
The cross comes in with Ramsey in an offside position.  He simply stands his ground and Cavani runs into him, right in front of Oliver. who obviously doesn't deem it a foul.
We score the goal, then VAR look at 2 possible offsides and a handball, all which cannot be proven, even with multiple slo-mo replays.  So, what else can we look at? Ah, the 'foul' by Ramsey, that was right in front of Oliver.

He now thinks he has made a clear and obvious error... it's an absolute load of cheating horse sh!t!

Has it been clarified yet if they gave a foul against Ramsey or adjudged him to be offside?

Was it a direct or indirect free kick afterwards?  I don't know.  And if he gave it as offside, it must be the first ever goal that has 3 possible offsides checked against it!

[Small Rodent]

They took longer studying the VAR than the FBI did studying the JFK Zapruder film.

Both still came up with nonsensical reasoning.

[Somniloquism]

I saw it like this...
The cross comes in with Ramsey in an offside position.  He simply stands his ground and Cavani runs into him, right in front of Oliver. who obviously doesn't deem it a foul.
We score the goal, then VAR look at 2 possible offsides and a handball, all which cannot be proven, even with multiple slo-mo replays.  So, what else can we look at? Ah, the 'foul' by Ramsey, that was right in front of Oliver.

He now thinks he has made a clear and obvious error... it's an absolute load of cheating horse sh!t!

Has it been clarified yet if they gave a foul against Ramsey or adjudged him to be offside?

The rule that they used seems to state it is classed as a foul rather then offside if the offside player is adjudged to have blocked a defender from playing the ball. Seems a weird one as surely offside covers it.

[The Edge]

I would normally calm down by now but I'm still seething about last nights travesty. I thought at the time Ings was offside but this has been cleared up. He wasn't. Cavani ran straight into Ramsey and got the free kick. Complete bullshit. If Ramsey deliberately body checked him then surely that should have been a second yellow for him and he should have been sent off. But that slimey bastard Oliver stopped short of that thus avoiding further scrutiny as Villa would have appealed the decision. The whole thing stinks.

[Somniloquism]

Can't appeal two yellows though.

[Mouse Potato]

I would normally calm down by now but I'm still seething about last nights travesty. I thought at the time Ings was offside but this has been cleared up. He wasn't. Cavani ran straight into Ramsey and got the free kick. Complete bullshit. If Ramsey deliberately body checked him then surely that should have been a second yellow for him and he should have been sent off. But that slimes bastard Oliver stopped short of that thus avoiding further scrutiny as Villa would have appealed the decision. The whole thing stinks.

You can't appeal a second yellow

Edit: Beaten to it!

[Bully2345]

I believe the decision was offside. Ramsey became active because Cavani was impeded from using his legendary world record speed and acceleration to challenge for the cross.

Play restarted with an indirect free kick

[The Edge]

I would normally calm down by now but I'm still seething about last nights travesty. I thought at the time Ings was offside but this has been cleared up. He wasn't. Cavani ran straight into Ramsey and got the free kick. Complete bullshit. If Ramsey deliberately body checked him then surely that should have been a second yellow for him and he should have been sent off. But that slimes bastard Oliver stopped short of that thus avoiding further scrutiny as Villa would have appealed the decision. The whole thing stinks.

You can't appeal a second yellow

Edit: Beaten to it!

Ok so he must of decided to go easy on us then as he had already pulled down our proverbial pants and shafted us royally.

[kippaxvilla2]

VAR was Darren England.  He’s the twat that allowed Rodriguez’ handball at smethwick back in the day.

[FailsworthVillan]

I saw it like this...
The cross comes in with Ramsey in an offside position.  He simply stands his ground and Cavani runs into him, right in front of Oliver. who obviously doesn't deem it a foul.
We score the goal, then VAR look at 2 possible offsides and a handball, all which cannot be proven, even with multiple slo-mo replays.  So, what else can we look at? Ah, the 'foul' by Ramsey, that was right in front of Oliver.

He now thinks he has made a clear and obvious error... it's an absolute load of cheating horse sh!t!

I was at the match and we were completely in the dark as to what exactly VAR was looking at. If this is true that they looked at 2 possible offsides & a handball,then, why ? If Ramsey’s contact with Cavani was enough to disallow the goal, why spend over 3 minutes trying to find something else ? Was it not deemed enough initially but was all they had to fall back on when they couldn’t find anything else?

[tomd2103]

I saw it like this...
The cross comes in with Ramsey in an offside position.  He simply stands his ground and Cavani runs into him, right in front of Oliver. who obviously doesn't deem it a foul.
We score the goal, then VAR look at 2 possible offsides and a handball, all which cannot be proven, even with multiple slo-mo replays.  So, what else can we look at? Ah, the 'foul' by Ramsey, that was right in front of Oliver.

He now thinks he has made a clear and obvious error... it's an absolute load of cheating horse sh!t!

Has it been clarified yet if they gave a foul against Ramsey or adjudged him to be offside?

The rule that they used seems to state it is classed as a foul rather then offside if the offside player is adjudged to have blocked a defender from playing the ball. Seems a weird one as surely offside covers it.

Just read on the BBC site that they ruled that Ramsey was offside, quoting the following "According to Law 11 of the Football Association's regulations on offside, a player moving from, or standing in, an offside position is in the way of an opponent and interferes with the movement of the opponent towards the ball this is an offside offence if it impacts on the ability of the opponent to play or challenge for the ball".

That ruling and the way it was applied last night surely goes against the ruling that went against us at Manchester City a while back.