Michael Oliver v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[kippaxvilla2]

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Tom
@tdnightingale
Some unfortunate news for #AVFC fans: after a lengthy VAR check, Kortney Hause's winner at Old Trafford on September 25 has now been disallowed.

[pooligan]

Cheated against these wankers yet again .As soon as i saw Oliver was the referee i feared the worst Ever since he failed to give Sheffield United the goal he should have he seems to go out of his way to give bad decisions against us .Refereeing in general has never been so bad Did anyone watch our U23 game against Boro this afternoon .I kid you not the referee gave Boro a penalty for their striker tripping over his own leg There was no villa player anywhere near him It was such a dreadful decision Ian Taylor who was commentating  could'nt stop laughing

[Axl Rose]

Fuck them, fuck the ref, fuck VAR, fuck them again.

[Nelly]

VAR is a pox on the sport. Legitimises favouritism and creates an opportunity for corruption. I would joyfully scrap it this morning. The sad thing for me is that none of the footballing governing bodies give a monkeys about what we think. We are just legacy fans to them and our opinion matters not in the slightest to them. If I were them, I would be grimacing at how blatantly tilted that VAR check was.

Villa in that second half were a joy to behold though. Waves of attacks, the opposition couldn't clear it without it coming right back at them. Man U are a shambles compared to some of their previous sides but, still, great to see Villa utterly dominate them. I really, really, really hope we spank them 3-0 on Saturday.

[RamboandBruno]

An error strewn and disjointed performance against an equally abysmal Man U

Martinez 7
Targett 4
Mings 4
Konsa 4
Cash 5
Luis 3
McGuinn 3
Buendia 5
Ramsey4
Watkins 4
Ings 4

Gerrard 4
VAR Punch in the face.

Ridiculous marks, mate. We played well and were cheated as we always are in this fixture.

Disagree. The obvious predicted cheating has masked the fact that Man U were abysmal and we still couldn't lay a glove on them for most of the match.

Not long home. I know being at the match and getting carried away with the emotion and adrenaline, clouds objectivity. But saying we didnt lay a glove on them is frankly ridiculous.
We played really well tonight. I dont want us to be plucky losers and not does SG listening to his post match interview. But some of the negativity on here goes beyond disappointment or realism. Yes its an average Man Utd, but as someone posted earlier in the week, weve beat them away twice in the same season maybe once in our history. Nevertheless we should of won tonight and i really dont understand not only not seeing the positives, but seeing a different performance than the one that actually took place.

[jwarry]

Woke up still depressed about the result but definitely not the performance then had a listen to SGs post match comments and I feel a lot better now and looking forward to the weekend.  No bullshit or excuses just honest views on what we need to put right

[Perthvillan]

Strange game really.
No doubt we were the better side, even a lot of Man U fans said so.
We looked like the home team, especially 2nd half, pining them into their own half for long spells and them trying to catch us on the break.
We played some good stuff at times but there were also a lot of stray passes.
I knew we would get that goal chalked off.
I have never seen any VAR decision like it, where they are looking for any reason to disallow a goal.
They keep banging on about it having to be "clear and obvious" to change a decision which it clearly wasn't.
Isn't Ramsey allowed to stand his ground? He didn't make any movement to prevent Cavani running into the pen area.
The length of time in deciding to rule out our goal clearly upset our momentum and we seemed to run out of steam after that.
I was born in 1958, the year after we last won the cup.
I really am thinking it will never happen again in my life time.
I hope we smash them on Saturday, they were very poor tonight.
UTV

[nick harper]

I refuse to call it a good display tonight because quite frankly that was the worst Manure team I’ve seen ever.  Missing a few key players there for the taking.  I just knew we would fcuk it up again.  Why can’t we bastard well finish easy chances.  And if that isn’t evidence of ‘favours’ for big clubs I don’t know what is.  Another fcuking year gone. 

I agree. We were good in parts, and as sloppy and as poor as they were in others. I think most premier league sides would have beaten them, they were absolutely there for the taking and I don’t think I’ve seen a United side give the ball away as often.

We are not composed or clinical enough in the final third.

[sid1964]

Wait until Saturday, if we are winning after 90 mins there will probably be 30 mins of injury time!

[baddowvillans]

The practical side of me says that yes Ramsey clearly takes a step into Cavani's path and on that basis it was a foul and if Oliver had blown up for it then when he was looking at it fair enough.  What pissed me off is that we all know that if that was a United goal, they might have looked at the offside/handball issue but would then have awarded the goal.  That way we would pissed off but Dermot Gallagher on red watch would simply have it away with  "VAR decided to go with the referees decision" . 

Virtually every goal from a set piece has jostling in the penalty area it's just up to the ref/VAR to decide which is a "clear and obvious error" and that's where they always have us.  Oh and why are we the only team for which you need a rule book handy?   

[PaulTheVillan]

Thought we did well. Could easily have won that with a less bias VAR and a little more composure in the middle and upfront.

We really need to improve the centre midfield, full backs and work out if we’re going to play narrow or wide.

If I were a Man Utd fan this morning I’d be utterly embarrassed.

[Hillbilly]

The practical side of me says that yes Ramsey clearly takes a step into Cavani's path...   

I've watched it several times and Ramsey's feet do not move until Cavani clatters into him.

[Hillbilly]

So the way to defend free kicks near the box is to make sure the opposition has a player standing in an offside position and just have someone run into them. Job's a good 'un.

[RamboandBruno]

https://www.skysports.com/football/man-utd-vs-a-villa/report/461013

I think the poster who gave us 3' and 4's in his ratings should have a look at this. Mostly 7's and 8's for our players. That's a more accurate and level headed view from a neutral sports journo.

I thought we played well largely but what I don't know is whether that was us being good or them really being awful.

The sky sports reporters scores for the Villa players are a far more accurate assessment of the game i was at than some of the ultra negative posts. I would of though given Mings and Konsa a 7 each. We werent clinical enough, United are a top 4 United at the moment, but that doesnt make it a poor performance by us. And the poster who said any premier league side would of beaten them last night (apart from us presumably) is speaking nonsense.

[Clampy]

I think it's best not to take too much notice of scores given by posters. They don't mean that much even if one batch last night smacked of attention seeking.