Michael Oliver v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[Stinkin_Thinkin]

Had a good go Watkins was superb.
Not for the first game buendia gets subbed and it's game over from an attacking perspective. He's lightweight and tries stuff that don't come off but he's the most creative player we've got till Coutinhio is ready.
Not even going to comment about the officials, I expect the same to happen on Saturday. Villa play well and get done by the ref/lino/var... plus ça change...

[artvandelay]

Do you reckon they might let us have Andre Marriner to referee on Saturday? Might level it up a bit.

[Ditton33]

VAR went so far back, they were looking for a foul by Mortimer on Stapleton.

Brilliant! That cheered me up!

[TonyD]

The fact that VAR only showed the ref the front on view of Cavani running into Ramsey says it all.  When the ref saw that in front of himself in real time.
Clutching at straws rather an a clear and obvious error. 
Some sort of corruption in plain view.
Nearly 2000 comments on the BBC match report within a hour says it all.

[LeonW]

Rule 11 Interfering With Play

In situations where:
• a player moving from, or standing in, an offside position is in the way of an
opponent and interferes with the movement of the opponent towards the ball
this is an offside offence if it impacts on the ability of the opponent to play or
challenge for the ball; if the player moves into the way of an opponent and
impedes the opponent’s progress (e.g. blocks the opponent), the offence
should be penalised under Law 12

So the very little used part of the offside rule is there and could have been used against us in that situation.  And as it was an obvious ploy to stand Ramsey there, obviously our own coaches don't know the laws either. Still a player who jumps across a keeper and attacker is not interfering at all it seems.

When I was finding out the above, interestingly there is one other part of the law which never seems to be used either.

a player in an offside position is moving towards the ball with the intention of
playing the ball and is fouled before playing or attempting to play the ball,
or challenging an opponent for the ball, the foul is penalised as it has occurred
before the offside offence

So the way I'm reading that, if a player is in an offside position and is fouled as they are running to the ball, the foul overrides offside. How many times has that not been used and Offside given to negate the foul on an attacker?

Cavani can't play or challenge for the ball as it's nowhere near him. When the ball is played again it would become a different phase of play but he's already thrown himself to the ground.

[amfy]

4 minutes to make a call. Clear and obvious hahaha

Exactly what I was shouting whilst tapping my watch while the delay was on!

Also - 4 minutes of Konsa on the floor (after having his nose slapped in the penalty area but not a foul)  & 6 substitutions (I think) but all of that adds up to 6 minutes extra time!

[TonyD]

Its not an offence as the geriatric has to be close to the ball and he's not. There also has to be a positive action by Ramsey, to interfere, passively standing there is not an offence. They're cheating fucking ******.

Yep that's how i see it.

The point is it doesn't even matter what the rules say as they would have found a way to disallow the goal by whatever means they wanted too.

Absolutely - they HAD to find something.  Nearly 4 minutes FFS.

[Somniloquism]

Rule 11 Interfering With Play

In situations where:
• a player moving from, or standing in, an offside position is in the way of an
opponent and interferes with the movement of the opponent towards the ball
this is an offside offence if it impacts on the ability of the opponent to play or
challenge for the ball; if the player moves into the way of an opponent and
impedes the opponent’s progress (e.g. blocks the opponent), the offence
should be penalised under Law 12

So the very little used part of the offside rule is there and could have been used against us in that situation.  And as it was an obvious ploy to stand Ramsey there, obviously our own coaches don't know the laws either. Still a player who jumps across a keeper and attacker is not interfering at all it seems.

When I was finding out the above, interestingly there is one other part of the law which never seems to be used either.

a player in an offside position is moving towards the ball with the intention of
playing the ball and is fouled before playing or attempting to play the ball,
or challenging an opponent for the ball, the foul is penalised as it has occurred
before the offside offence

So the way I'm reading that, if a player is in an offside position and is fouled as they are running to the ball, the foul overrides offside. How many times has that not been used and Offside given to negate the foul on an attacker?

Cavani can't play or challenge for the ball as it's nowhere near him. When the ball is played again it would become a different phase of play but he's already thrown himself to the ground.

I'm not stating it was applied correctly, they needed something and this is what they used to make it sound close to fine and that was what they used. For the last couple of seasons they were giving penalties using VAR when Manure players either fouled themselves or committed the foul first. Or as with Man Citeh against us, interpreted another offside rule wrongly as well. The of course there was Leicester when that rule on keeper having control for a milisecond is enough which had never been used like that before or since.
It does seem to be that they should rename the laws "how do we shaft Villa this week".

[Ads]

I hope we're all still this fucking angry, from player, to coaching staff and to supporters come 17:30 on Saturday. If we are, then B6 will be bouncing and we will run all over these ******.

[TonyD]

Anyway. Cheating aside.
Thought we played well. And in the majority of the game were clearly the better side.
We went flat once Buendia went off.
So for the past 3 games SGs subs have been shite. 
AEG or Trez are never the answer SG.
Please wise up FFS.

[stubbsyandy]

Anyway. Cheating aside.
Thought we played well. And in the majority of the game were clearly the better side.
We went flat once Buendia went off.
So for the past 3 games SGs subs have been shite. 
AEG or Trez are never the answer SG.
Please wise up FFS.

Spot on

[amfy]

If they went back any further they'd be dissowing the initial free kick. ******.

My dad said that they were going to keep going until they could see if Martinez was offside.

[Ads]

I'm excited for Buendia and Countinho playing behind Ollie.

[kippaxvilla2]

I refuse to call it a good display tonight because quite frankly that was the worst Manure team I’ve seen ever.  Missing a few key players there for the taking.  I just knew we would fcuk it up again.  Why can’t we bastard well finish easy chances.  And if that isn’t evidence of ‘favours’ for big clubs I don’t know what is.  Another fcuking year gone. 

[TonyD]

I'm excited for Buendia and Countinho playing behind Ollie.

Buendia is starting to show his class - exciting times ahead.