Michael Oliver v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[mrfuse]

VAR went so far back, they were looking for a foul by Mortimer on Stapleton.

 I half expected Des Lynam and Trevor Brooking to be back in the studio for BBC at the end

[The Edge]

https://www.skysports.com/football/man-utd-vs-a-villa/report/461013

I think the poster who gave us 3' and 4's in his ratings should have a look at this. Mostly 7's and 8's for our players. That's a more accurate and level headed view from a neutral sports journo.

[not3bad]

How fucking hard did they work to disallow that ings goal, cheating ******

They worked their fucking arses off that's how hard they worked.

[Toronto Villa]

From the manager. Very honest assessment

https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1480672804483780611?s=21

[LeonW]

https://www.skysports.com/football/man-utd-vs-a-villa/report/461013

I think the poster who gave us 3' and 4's in his ratings should have a look at this. Mostly 7's and 8's for our players. That's a more accurate and level headed view from a neutral sports journo.

I thought we played well largely but what I don't know is whether that was us being good or them really being awful.

[SoccerHQ]

https://www.skysports.com/football/man-utd-vs-a-villa/report/461013

I think the poster who gave us 3' and 4's in his ratings should have a look at this. Mostly 7's and 8's for our players. That's a more accurate and level headed view from a neutral sports journo.

I thought we played well largely but what I don't know is whether that was us being good or them really being awful.

They are really poor, endlessly gave the ball away to us most of the night.

Varane in fairness had a decent game, cut out plenty of our promising moves.

[The Edge]

Liverpool were the same when they dominated in the  seventies and eighties, officials kissed there arses then,

That's just it though.United are no longer dominant at all. The officials act as though Old Red Nose is still omnipresent in English football.

[mrfuse]

How fucking hard did they work to disallow that ings goal, cheating ******

They worked their fucking arses off that's how hard they worked.

Yeah fair play to VAR, they left no stone unturned in their quest to disallow the goal.

[LeonW]

Liverpool were the same when they dominated in the  seventies and eighties, officials kissed there arses then,

That's just it though.United are no longer dominant at all. The officials still act as though Old Red Nose is still omnipresent in English football.

They last won the league about a decade ago.

[Legion]

Manchester United 1-0 Aston Villa: McTominay the difference for Red Devils against Villa - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59945468

[The Edge]

I'm trying to stop seething about us getting shafted by var again against man u again. It's no good for my blood pressure. But it's not easy. One observation I think needs bringing up is how much we dominated a game only to come away with nothing. Our last league game against Brentford was a carbon copy admittedly without the help of the cheating twunts in charge. For the second game running Gerrard has had to face the cameras and lament about us dominating a game and leaving empty handed. That's the biggest challenge he faces now.

[Somniloquism]

Rule 11 Interfering With Play

In situations where:
• a player moving from, or standing in, an offside position is in the way of an
opponent and interferes with the movement of the opponent towards the ball
this is an offside offence if it impacts on the ability of the opponent to play or
challenge for the ball; if the player moves into the way of an opponent and
impedes the opponent’s progress (e.g. blocks the opponent), the offence
should be penalised under Law 12

So the very little used part of the offside rule is there and could have been used against us in that situation.  And as it was an obvious ploy to stand Ramsey there, obviously our own coaches don't know the laws either. Still a player who jumps across a keeper and attacker is not interfering at all it seems.

When I was finding out the above, interestingly there is one other part of the law which never seems to be used either.

a player in an offside position is moving towards the ball with the intention of
playing the ball and is fouled before playing or attempting to play the ball,
or challenging an opponent for the ball, the foul is penalised as it has occurred
before the offside offence

So the way I'm reading that, if a player is in an offside position and is fouled as they are running to the ball, the foul overrides offside. How many times has that not been used and Offside given to negate the foul on an attacker?

[Ads]

Its not an offence as the geriatric has to be close to the ball yo play it and he's not. There also has to be a positive action by Ramsey, to interfere, passively standing there is not an offence. They're cheating fucking ******.

[The Edge]

Its not an offence as the geriatric has to be close to the ball yo play it and he's not. There also has to be a positive action by Ramsey, to interfere, passively standing there is not an offence. They're cheating fucking ******.

Bang on.

[mrfuse]

Its not an offence as the geriatric has to be close to the ball and he's not. There also has to be a positive action by Ramsey, to interfere, passively standing there is not an offence. They're cheating fucking ******.

Yep that's how i see it.

The point is it doesn't even matter what the rules say as they would have found a way to disallow the goal by whatever means they wanted too.