Michael Oliver v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[Smithy]

Oliver was poor but I think the VAR call is systemic as much as anything. Once the referee gets summoned over to the monitor there’s an expectation that the decision will change. The stats on that would be interesting.

Ultimately we need to be more efficient at taking our chances. Even with that decision we should have won that game.

If the ref is called over to the monitor it means he can put the responsibility (and blame) on VAR for the decision. This is one of the biggest problems of the current system.

No, it's still the ref's decision.  Calls to go to the monitor are for cases where VAR think the ref has missed something, or think he's made a mistake. VAR can only make calls on matters of fact, like ball over the line, or player offside.  For matters of opinion, or "interpretation" of the laws, the ref's decision is still final - so the ref could visit the monitor, watch a replay and still go "nah, I'm happy with my decision", but they never do because they know VAR is convinced they've made a mistake by that point.

[The Edge]

What game were you watching….?! Yes we were robbed. But bar about 10mins in the first half we battered them for the whole match. Yes there were some misplaced passes but there was a lot of cb good football.

(Forgot to quote. Replying to earlier poster who gave everyone 4 out of 10 basically)

You beat me to it I saw that post and I really thought he was joking.He gave half the Villa team a 3!! Man U must have all been 2's and 1's on his marking scale. Crazy. I've learned not to put comments on here straight after the game as the blood is sometimes still boiling and comments don't usually stand up to any scrutiny.

[mrfuse]

Doesn't make any different If Canvani isn't getting to the ball,it shows he being blocked,we have got to learn quickly, like them fouling, instead of discussing it with the referees and opposition players take the free kick quickly

I'll think you will find it does make a difference is if he getting to ball or not it was explained after the match. He wasn't blocked Ramsey just stood his ground and Cavani ran into him because it was easier to do that than get back.

It doesn't matter what we do if the officials blatantly cheat and that is the only way I can put it, as it was cheating.

[London Villan]

Ming's or Konsoa getting blamed for the there goal, have a look again, Douglas Luiz let him run

Buendia is wandering off too. Should have fell over and pretended he was blocked.

[olaftab]

I would rather be sitting here feeling smug after winning a game where we were totally mullered but somehow managed to sneak a dodgy winner with no lack of plentiful help from officials but...BUT once again it was them fuckers however I thought we were fantastic especially in the second half. At times we made them look a step or two below us but for the lack of a goal. Oh hang we scored at least one perfectly good goal that a ****** at Stockley Park spent 5 minutes looking at to see if he can find any minute remotely tenuous reason to disallow and disallow he did. JUST FUCK OFF.

[TonyD]

Does El Ghazi do anything else except shoot when he gets the ball on the edge of the box. He must have more goals for Villa than assists.

Should never have come on.
Another question mark of SG recent subs.
He was NEVER going to rescue us tonight. 

[Nii Lamptey]

Thought we generally played well. Mings/Konsa handled most things apart from the goal, midifielders controlled the middle of the park, and the forwards gave them the runaround (just couldn’t hit a barn door with a banjo).
My rage was split between the officials, Luke Shaw and our fullbacks. Specifically Matty Cash, who I thought was bloody terrible yet again. Sloppy in possession and positioning and still failed to find a villa player with a single cross.
Patience has run out with him - I’d get Kesler in there or even recall Guilbert if possible!!

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Yes we wasted chances but it really doesn't matter. When we score they'll simply chalk it off or award them their customary penalty. We only won there last time around because that dickhead missed the penalty.

The previous time we lost in the last minutes to a penalty awarded to a dive by Pogba awarded by guess who.. Michael Fucking Oliver.

And people wonder why I hate these Plastic c**ts so much. Give me Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea.. whoever...even the Rags have my respect more than these tossers. Saturday should be interesting.

[PaulWinch again]

Oliver was poor but I think the VAR call is systemic as much as anything. Once the referee gets summoned over to the monitor there’s an expectation that the decision will change. The stats on that would be interesting.

Ultimately we need to be more efficient at taking our chances. Even with that decision we should have won that game.

If the ref is called over to the monitor it means he can put the responsibility (and blame) on VAR for the decision. This is one of the biggest problems of the current system.

No, it's still the ref's decision.  Calls to go to the monitor are for cases where VAR think the ref has missed something, or think he's made a mistake. VAR can only make calls on matters of fact, like ball over the line, or player offside.  For matters of opinion, or "interpretation" of the laws, the ref's decision is still final - so the ref could visit the monitor, watch a replay and still go "nah, I'm happy with my decision", but they never do because they know VAR is convinced they've made a mistake by that point.

Yep and that’s the systemic problem. The implication is that if a ref is called to the monitor they’ve made a mistake. The stats of changed decisions would be interesting, because it’s clearly influencing refs and I kind of get it.

[Des Little]

Some things never, ever change. It stinks to high heaven, it really does.

[LukeJames]

If they went back any further they'd be dissowing the initial free kick. ******.

[andyh]

There is no glory in being the plucky underdog and losing there.
There is no solace to be had from knowing that we were the better team but we’re cheated AGAIN by poor officials both on and off the field.

The only way to exorcise this feeling and put it right IS BY BEATING THE CHEATING, CONNIVING ****** ON SATURDAY.
Beat the fuckers fair and square and let the officials and VAR shove it up their collective arses.

[Legion]

What a crock of shite. Again.

[Risso]

We attacked them incessantly, played really well and deserved to win. That said, the game showed the following usual failings:

The defence - always got a mistake in it
Targett - not good enough
Final ball - not good enough
Midfield - give the ball away sloppily too often
Watkins - lots of running, not enough composure
Ings - not enough running, plays like an old man

[TonyD]

I said to my Son before the game that we wouldn't be allowed to win. It fucking stinks.

We'll batter the bastards on Saturday.

Only if we are allowed to score at least 3 goals.