Michael Oliver v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[LeonW]

Oliver was poor but I think the VAR call is systemic as much as anything. Once the referee gets summoned over to the monitor there’s an expectation that the decision will change. The stats on that would be interesting.

Ultimately we need to be more efficient at taking our chances. Even with that decision we should have won that game.

If the ref is called over to the monitor it means he can put the responsibility (and blame) on VAR for the decision. This is one of the biggest problems of the current system.

[SoccerHQ]

I said to my mate in the pub earlier, I don't mind getting beaten as long as it's fair.

Fat chance.

Our record against Utd is atrocious, but how many games does it come back to this? Decisions that go their way, the refs on their side throughout? It took Oliver long enough to start booking them for their shithousery. It's beyond a joke now. At least one game a season against Utd there's something contentious against us.

Don't forget last season when Pogba collapsed in the air when Luiz breathed on him. And we had Ollie sent off when he was actually tripped in the penalty area.

I think at least now we know we can give them a game and even outplay them in midfield area (whereas before it was just keeping the score down to 2-0 and it was o.k effort).

Will make Saturday lively at least. Gerrard won't take this defeat easily so we'll be fired up with hopefully two new signings in the mix to give us a fresher look.

[Vegas]

What’s the fucking point. How many games in a row have “they” intervened to stop us against Man Utd? Even our 1-0 win there earlier this season there was a soft penalty in injury time.


On our team, I’m staggered to see Dougie getting 3s and 4s - he was a bit clumsy in the first half but was immense second half, totally ran the game. Ramsey was great too.

Targett had a shocker. McGinn and Cash sloppy. Subs were poor, verging on bizarre.

[steamer]

it should have stood but we know the game there
They were not very good and we were not good enough, they had twice as many attempts on goal as us, sorry but Luiz was never a 7, and my heart does not beat faster when El Ghazi comes on as a sub
Lets beat the fuckers at a full Villa Park that is bouncing.

[LeonW]

I thought Targett was our poorest player today and can see why we're looking to upgrade on him.

[astonvilla82]

Doesn't make any different If Canvani isn't getting to the ball,it shows he being blocked,we have got to learn quickly, like them fouling, instead of discussing it with the referees and opposition players take the free kick quickly

[Drummond]

If it took 3:36 for the VAR check, and there was treatment for Konsa, and one of theirs, and with all the subs (that are supposed to be 30 seconds each I thought) then how does 6 minutes dead cover it?

[ROBBO]

I cannot believe Konsa's bloody nose wasn't looked at by VAR, it's for sure if it was them scumbags it would have been, Shaws arm was raised and he had a look at Konsa before he did it, yet, they took an enormous amount of time over the Ings goal, first was the ball touched before Ings bundled it over the line, when that failed they looked at obstruction, Oliver had given the goal and it should have stood. We were the better team but midfield gave the ball up too easy, Luiz the main culprit, the Ings Watkins experiment has to be shelved.

[PaulWinch again]

Anybody surprised? Entirely predictable, it's not a level playing field when you play certain clubs, the whole thing reeks of corruption and bias, now Gerrard has experienced the kind of shit we have to put up with against these and his former club to name but two.Shit aint it Steve? Fuck the FA & Premier league.
C@nts

It’s a poor decision but let’s not descend down a rabbit hole and make it seem like we couldn’t effect the game. We conceded a really poor goal and we had plenty of other opportunities to equalise and win the game. We need to affect those elements more.

[Villatillidie1982]

Does El Ghazi do anything else except shoot when he gets the ball on the edge of the box. He must have more goals for Villa than assists.

I have always thought that El Ghazi doesn't get the chances that he deserves but that shot was horrendous.

[villadelph]

If it took 3:36 for the VAR check, and there was treatment for Konsa, and one of theirs, and with all the subs (that are supposed to be 30 seconds each I thought) then how does 6 minutes dead cover it?

because Manchester United were clinging to a 1-0 lead?

[SoccerHQ]

What’s the fucking point. How many games in a row have “they” intervened to stop us against Man Utd? Even our 1-0 win there earlier this season there was a soft penalty in injury time.


On our team, I’m staggered to see Dougie getting 3s and 4s - he was a bit clumsy in the first half but was immense second half, totally ran the game. Ramsey was great too.

Targett had a shocker. McGinn and Cash sloppy. Subs were poor, verging on bizarre.

Big Luiz fan but I think he's been average for a while now, does some good stuff and then gives it away in sloppy fashion.

[astonvilla82]

Ming's or Konsoa getting blamed for the there goal, have a look again, Douglas Luiz let him run

[PaulWinch again]

Oliver was poor but I think the VAR call is systemic as much as anything. Once the referee gets summoned over to the monitor there’s an expectation that the decision will change. The stats on that would be interesting.

Ultimately we need to be more efficient at taking our chances. Even with that decision we should have won that game.

If the ref is called over to the monitor it means he can put the responsibility (and blame) on VAR for the decision. This is one of the biggest problems of the current system.

I think it’s a bit of both - I think it pressurises the referees too. Ultimately leads to the same decision, which is the problem.

[Nunkin1965]

VAR just went through the process until it found a reason to not give the goal.
How often does that happen?
I can't remember any incidents its normally just one.
We had 3.