The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread

[garyellis]

Roy Keane is an arse though.

I agree and I am a big fan of Mings just pointing out none Villa views.

[Mister E]

I'm a Luiz fan, but if we get in a good DMF we should cash in on him. We have other very good options in MF.

[paul_e]

One of the reasons we concede so many goals is because midfielders do not track their runners. All of them are responsible for this, including Luiz. He was asleep for the goal Paul, it’s fact but they are all poor at tracking back.

Yep, I agree, I said as much. I think they're ok at tracking runners if a team is holding on to possession against us and that's backed up pretty well if you watch back the goals we concede. Where we let ourselves down is transitioning from attack to defence. Gerrard has improved us but we still have problems and bad habits and it means we're susceptible to rapid counter attacks. No one in our midfield is particularly good at being 'glass half empty' when we're in possession (and I believe that's a hangover from Smith who has always seemed to struggle to contain counter-attacknig sides) so an attacker, midfielder who is switched on and waiting for a mistake can find themselves loads of space against us a lot more easily than they should do. This is a big part of why we need a proper DM who can read the flow of the game and stop us getting picked off/bullied into mistakes that lead to goals.

[Smithy]

From the first time of watching it again, there was never any chance of Mings getting to that ball first. None. He was miles away from it, having sensibly dropped deep to give himself more time once he (should have) received Sanson's pass.

I disagree.  Look at their starting positions. The X is where Fred had his first touch. Tyrone sat on his heels for a fraction of a second until Fred was running at full pace, and by the time he faced him up he was only about 3 or 4 yards outside the box.  You're telling me he couldn't travel more than 3 or 4 yards in the time Fred covered 15?

For the record, I don't blame Tyrone for the goal - he was trying to judge the pace of the ball coming directly at him on a poor back pass and erred on the side of caution rather than rush out and find out it was going so slowly Fred easily gets the first.  But that WAS a mistake - if he sprints the moment he realises it's under hit, he easily gets there first, and in time for a 50/50 in the absolute worst case (which he wins 9 times out of 10).  Dougie had a better view of the pace of the ball from the side, and he called him out to get to it confident he could get there.

[Big Ming]

Wonder who was supposed to be tracking McTominey last Monday?

[astonvilla82]

The invisible man?

[brontebilly]

Wonder who was supposed to be tracking McTominey last Monday?

Big Tyrone I think, Konsa certainly seemed to be blaming him afterwards.

[Steve67]

Wonder who was supposed to be tracking McTominey last Monday?

Big Tyrone I think, Konsa certainly seemed to be blaming him afterwards.

Centre half tracking their central midfielder?  McTominey ran from the edge of the box, past all four of our midfielders.  Mings is not omnipotent.

[Ian.]

Instead of analysing the shit out that second goal, I’d rather cherish Mings for his superb tackle during the second half and the way he helped lead us on to grab a point. His superb burst out of defence was brilliant and summed up our excellent fight back.

[Smithy]

Instead of analysing the shit out that second goal, I’d rather cherish Mings for his superb tackle during the second half and the way he helped lead us on to grab a point. His superb burst out of defence was brilliant and summed up our excellent fight back.

Absolutely, and I've made clear I don't blame him for the goal, I just thought it was strange people were blaming other even less culpable players.  It was a mistake by Sanson, it happens.  Barring that incident, both Sanson and Mings actually had pretty good games I thought - Mings, in particular, channelling prime-Baresi in the lead up to the first goal.

[algy]

Instead of analysing the shit out that second goal, I’d rather cherish Mings for his superb tackle during the second half and the way he helped lead us on to grab a point. His superb burst out of defence was brilliant and summed up our excellent fight back.

Yeah, I agree. I like Tyrone. Think a fair proportion of the mistakes are basically caused by not having a DM in front to help ease the pressure on the back 5.

Don't get why some are marking him out as being a potential upgrade. Mings is a perfectly good defender, at least until we start challenging for a champions League slot on a regular basis.

[eamonn]

Analysing the shit m'lord, analyse the shit...

[Steve67]

Fabrizio Romano saying Robin Olsen coming in as keeper tomorrow.  Others saying bids for a centre back and a couple of midfielders also made.  I didn't think you bid these days until after the medical had been done etc?

[Brazilian Villain]

At this rate we might have to upgrade it from a Warchest to a War Vault.

[nigel]

From the first time of watching it again, there was never any chance of Mings getting to that ball first. None. He was miles away from it, having sensibly dropped deep to give himself more time once he (should have) received Sanson's pass.

I disagree.  Look at their starting positions. The X is where Fred had his first touch. Tyrone sat on his heels for a fraction of a second until Fred was running at full pace, and by the time he faced him up he was only about 3 or 4 yards outside the box. You're telling me he couldn't travel more than 3 or 4 yards in the time Fred covered 15?

For the record, I don't blame Tyrone for the goal - he was trying to judge the pace of the ball coming directly at him on a poor back pass and erred on the side of caution rather than rush out and find out it was going so slowly Fred easily gets the first.  But that WAS a mistake - if he sprints the moment he realises it's under hit, he easily gets there first, and in time for a 50/50 in the absolute worst case (which he wins 9 times out of 10).  Dougie had a better view of the pace of the ball from the side, and he called him out to get to it confident he could get there.

That statement is a touch inaccurate, mate.
As soon as Sanson makes the attempted pass Fred is moving, and quickly.
When the ball gets to your X that gap is significantly less.

Put a photo of the ball on the X and see the true distance.