Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread

[Dave P]

Maybe the hierarchy are thinking the season ticket waiting list is getting out of hand and are looking to appoint Gerrard to reduce it.  Can't think of another reason tbh.

[Toronto Villa]

Learning on the job especially at the top level is always going to be hard to do. That’s the biggest risk in all of this. But the board will have seen Vieira start to do it at Palace without significant experience most recently. Gerrard will certainly raise the profile of the club and possibly attract a certain type of footballer. We all hope that if it is him more than anything he finds the ability quickly to perform as a PL manager. All of the other stuff around him is just noise.

Vieira is on his third club.

One of those was in MLS so pretty much two jobs he's had in his career.

And he was dumped from Nice after 5 straight defeats. Nothing suggested he was ready for the PL. And I concede just because he’s started well doesn’t mean it will end up that way.

Gerrard is on the list which I also hope and can only assume has other names. Because he’s popular with the English media and the Purslow link he’s going to get loads of coverage. I hope that a better option is chosen even if possibly one day Gerrard proves his worth. But for right now should be aiming higher.

[sickbeggar]

Maybe the hierarchy are thinking the season ticket waiting list is getting out of hand and are looking to appoint Gerrard to reduce it.  Can't think of another reason tbh.

Well from a commercial/sponsorship point of view it makes a lot of sense. The last figures I saw for our commercial activities on here were pretty unimpressive. Crap actually.

[Sexual Ealing]

All really good points.

I think fundamentally, we all want what is right for Aston Villa.  We’re all on the same page with that even though they’ll be some in the for Gerrard camp and some in the against.

I probably won’t post again about it given I’ll get behind whoever gets the job but some really strong arguments for and against.

I admire the sentiment, but there really aren't any good arguments in favour.

Check the Birmingham Live poll. Plenty want Gerrard

That's not a strong argument.

Well….nearly 1500 voted that they’d want him and all must have their own reasons. As I said, going to go and sit on the fence for a bit and see what happens.

Have you seen the viewing figure's for Mrs Brown's Boys?!

[tomd2103]

Learning on the job especially at the top level is always going to be hard to do. That’s the biggest risk in all of this. But the board will have seen Vieira start to do it at Palace without significant experience most recently. Gerrard will certainly raise the profile of the club and possibly attract a certain type of footballer. We all hope that if it is him more than anything he finds the ability quickly to perform as a PL manager. All of the other stuff around him is just noise.

Vieira is on his third club.

One of those was in MLS so pretty much two jobs he's had in his career.

Gerrard's is in the Scottish Premiership so pretty much no jobs.

Having lived and worked in Glasgow in the past, I think there is a misconception south of the border about how difficult managing the Old Firm teams is. 

Yes the standard is not the same as the Premier League in England, but the pressure to win every game they play is immense and there is no escape from it in and around the city.

I would equate it to managing a club like us in the Championship which proved pretty difficult at times.  For every Gerrard, Rodgers and O'Neill who have had varying levels of success up there, there have been some absolute disasters who have sunk.

[cdbearsfan]

All really good points.

I think fundamentally, we all want what is right for Aston Villa.  We’re all on the same page with that even though they’ll be some in the for Gerrard camp and some in the against.

I probably won’t post again about it given I’ll get behind whoever gets the job but some really strong arguments for and against.

I admire the sentiment, but there really aren't any good arguments in favour.

Check the Birmingham Live poll. Plenty want Gerrard

Liverpool fans? Blues fans, Baggies fans? The world and their dog can vote on that, unfortunately.

I think there also needs to be some level of qualitative voting. I've got several thousand posts on a popular Aston Villa messageboard and have in my possession over two Aston Villa car stickers despite not owning a car. I'd like to think my vote carries a little more weight than that of the sort of lumpenproletariat that is given free rein to access the Birmingham Live website.

[Sexual Ealing]

Learning on the job especially at the top level is always going to be hard to do. That’s the biggest risk in all of this. But the board will have seen Vieira start to do it at Palace without significant experience most recently. Gerrard will certainly raise the profile of the club and possibly attract a certain type of footballer. We all hope that if it is him more than anything he finds the ability quickly to perform as a PL manager. All of the other stuff around him is just noise.

Vieira is on his third club.

One of those was in MLS so pretty much two jobs he's had in his career.

Gerrard's is in the Scottish Premiership so pretty much no jobs.

Having lived and worked in Glasgow in the past, I think there is a misconception south of the border about how difficult managing the Old Firm teams is. 

Yes the standard is not the same as the Premier League in England, but the pressure to win every game they play is immense and there is no escape from it in and around the city.

I would equate it to managing a club like us in the Championship which proved pretty difficult at times.  For every Gerrard, Rodgers and O'Neill who have had varying levels of success up there, there have been some absolute disasters who have sunk.

I lived in Scotland for ten years, and I agree with you. Rodgers, O'Neill and Smith proved time and again that they were up to it. Gerrard hasn't.

[LukeJames]

Its just too difficult to decifer wether Gerrard is ready for the step up to the Premier League based on what he's done at Rangers due to the domestic competition being nowhere near any good.

But out of curiosity I had a look at his record in Europe were he's arguably playing against teams on par with Rangers and its miles ahead of what I was expecting to see.

Played 53
Won 26
Drew 17
Lost 10

I still dont want him though.

[Demitri_C]

The positives on Gerrard
✔Winner played and won at highest level
✔huge name in the game
✔has a excellent coaching team around him
✔mccalister knows the club
✔gerrards tough. He wont take no nonsense from someone like mings
✔passion - no one can question  that.
✔can attract massive names to the club

The negatives
❌could use us a stepping stone
❌ no experience in england
❌liverpool wankfest when we play them

Those "positives" are all absolute nonsense.

✔Winner played and won at highest level

Complete irrelevance, see Bruce, Di Matteo, Sherwood, etc.

✔huge name in the game

So was Diego Maradona, didn't make him a good manager

✔has a excellent coaching team around him

If they're so excellent why have they won less than St Johnstone?

✔mccalister knows the club

So do Eric Black and Kevin MacDonald, should we bring them back?

✔gerrards tough. He wont take no nonsense from someone like mings

Absolute drivel, and what evidence do you have of any "nonsense" from Mings?

✔passion - no one can question  that

Great news! If we are appointing a manager based on traits that were considered vital by Little Englander Chairmen in about 1973. Exactly the same logic that would have made Tim Sherwood seem an ideal candidate.

✔can attract massive names to the club

We are Aston Villa and we have loads of money. Our Board should be able to do that. If it is just based on the Gerrard name, how many megastars play for "Rangers"? Did Ronaldo consider joining Derby County because Rooney is there?

What a load of negative waffle.

So you throw a couple bad examples like bruce out there and suddenly its nonsense. For every  bruce there is a Guardiola. Bruce was appointed at a time when he seemed the best bet. RDM had a good CV amd didnt he win the CL with chelsea? Oh dear that must have slipped your mind.

Yeah eric black and k mac are the same aren't they. Remind us where they currently are at the moment??

Well gerarrd won them the scittish league with the help of his backroom team didnt he? And has made some really poor players look half decent.

Nothing wrong with abit of passion from a manager not sure why so negative about a bit of passion.

You are away rangers is a small league and they dont ahve the budgets of premier league clubs?? So how do you expect them to attract the superstars you are referring to??  Explain that to us?

I hope your not this negative when your at villa park jesus.

Gerrard osnt my 1st choice and i dont realky want him but just highlighting some potential positives. Unlike this negative jump off a cliff stuff you have written.

[Sexual Ealing]

Its just too difficult to decifer wether Gerrard is ready for the step up to the Premier League based on what he's done at Rangers due to the domestic competition being nowhere near any good.

But out of curiosity I had a look at his record in Europe were he's arguably playing against teams on par with Rangers and its miles ahead of what I was expecting to see.

Played 53
Won 26
Drew 17
Lost 10

I still dont want him though.

It's teams on a par with Liverpool that we need to worry about.

[Neil Hawkes]

Why do we always tend to go British? In the last 20 years i believe the only non brits we had were RDM, garde and houllier

Unfortunately...DOL and MON weren't Brits either...an honorary Brit in the case of MON (MBE/OBE!)

I haven’t logged on for years and never post BUT M’ON is from NI. So is British… but that’s a debate for another time!

NI is part of the UK (and I guess EU these days...) not Britannia. Please post more!

Mate it’s GB & NI
Also NI part of the UK

We are British and can be Irish also if we choose but that only came about after good Friday agreement

Hate to be a pedant but there’s an awful lot of angry loyalists over here who would wave their fist at you on this (and maybe burn some buses)

😂🤣

Anyways

No thanks to Gerard and give me Ten Haag

As it said on my old (very old) passport in the 80's: The United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland.
Used to cause many an argument in the ships' bar (when we where allowed a bar), with a bunch of numbnuts saying I was a British citizen - I'm a UK citizen and am now also allowed to be an Irish citizen.

[Toronto Villa]

Learning on the job especially at the top level is always going to be hard to do. That’s the biggest risk in all of this. But the board will have seen Vieira start to do it at Palace without significant experience most recently. Gerrard will certainly raise the profile of the club and possibly attract a certain type of footballer. We all hope that if it is him more than anything he finds the ability quickly to perform as a PL manager. All of the other stuff around him is just noise.

Vieira is on his third club.

One of those was in MLS so pretty much two jobs he's had in his career.

Gerrard's is in the Scottish Premiership so pretty much no jobs.

Having lived and worked in Glasgow in the past, I think there is a misconception south of the border about how difficult managing the Old Firm teams is. 

Yes the standard is not the same as the Premier League in England, but the pressure to win every game they play is immense and there is no escape from it in and around the city.

I would equate it to managing a club like us in the Championship which proved pretty difficult at times.  For every Gerrard, Rodgers and O'Neill who have had varying levels of success up there, there have been some absolute disasters who have sunk.

I lived in Scotland for ten years, and I agree with you. Rodgers, O'Neill and Smith proved time and again that they were up to it. Gerrard hasn't.

The major difference being all of those took over very established clubs. This version of Rangers wasn’t anything like the clubs managed by the managers you’ve referenced

[Sexual Ealing]

This makes worrying reading from the Economist's head of sport.

Steven Gerrard “now ready to take up offer” of Aston Villa Manager this week. Compensation close to agreed between two clubs. Did last night’s text from Villa’s most famous fan to Gerrard make a difference? New man to assume role by Friday. More to follow. HA. #AVFC #RangersFC
https://twitter.com/iammrazul/status/1458050034151346176

He's referring to a member of the royal family.

[andyh]

The positives on Gerrard
✔Winner played and won at highest level
✔huge name in the game
✔has a excellent coaching team around him
✔mccalister knows the club
✔gerrards tough. He wont take no nonsense from someone like mings
✔passion - no one can question  that.
✔can attract massive names to the club

The negatives
❌could use us a stepping stone
❌ no experience in england
❌liverpool wankfest when we play them

Those "positives" are all absolute nonsense.

✔Winner played and won at highest level

Complete irrelevance, see Bruce, Di Matteo, Sherwood, etc.

✔huge name in the game

So was Diego Maradona, didn't make him a good manager

✔has a excellent coaching team around him

If they're so excellent why have they won less than St Johnstone?

✔mccalister knows the club

So do Eric Black and Kevin MacDonald, should we bring them back?

✔gerrards tough. He wont take no nonsense from someone like mings

Absolute drivel, and what evidence do you have of any "nonsense" from Mings?

✔passion - no one can question  that

Great news! If we are appointing a manager based on traits that were considered vital by Little Englander Chairmen in about 1973. Exactly the same logic that would have made Tim Sherwood seem an ideal candidate.

✔can attract massive names to the club

We are Aston Villa and we have loads of money. Our Board should be able to do that. If it is just based on the Gerrard name, how many megastars play for "Rangers"? Did Ronaldo consider joining Derby County because Rooney is there?

What a load of negative waffle.

So you throw a couple bad examples like bruce out there and suddenly its nonsense. For every  bruce there is a Guardiola……………..

Sorry mate, that bit is just bollocks.

[sickbeggar]

I'm already resigned to it happening. Moved all the sharp cutlery and medication from the house and locked them in the car boot as a precaution. Got the worst blended supermarket whisky I could find on standby.