Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread

[Demitri_C]

Certainly more high profile than smith

[tomd2103]

Bert worked harder as the season went on, and is a very under rated player for me, but you can't carry him and Bailey in the same side. He's a bit like El Ghazi too, a 1 good game in 3 (el Ghazi being about 4 or 5). Actually think Bert at 10 is probably a better option than Buendia.

I've always thought that Bert should be a 10. It's not that he won't defend, it's that he can't. He has an awful lot to offer going forward though.

I remember watching an interview with ex-England cricket captain Nasser Hussain, where he was saying that all he would hear at selection meetings when he first took over the job was about what players couldn't do as opposed to what they were actually good at. He said he looked to change that mentality and make the most of what players were good at.

Traore's defending did get exposed at times last season, particularly against the better sides and better attacking full-backs.   I suppose it is a case of trying to improve the former side of his game without impacting on the latter. 

[Drummond]

Bert worked harder as the season went on, and is a very under rated player for me, but you can't carry him and Bailey in the same side. He's a bit like El Ghazi too, a 1 good game in 3 (el Ghazi being about 4 or 5). Actually think Bert at 10 is probably a better option than Buendia.

I've always thought that Bert should be a 10. It's not that he won't defend, it's that he can't. He has an awful lot to offer going forward though.

I remember watching an interview with ex-England cricket captain Nasser Hussain, where he was saying that all he would hear at selection meetings when he first took over the job was about what players couldn't do as opposed to what they were actually good at. He said he looked to change that mentality and make the most of what players were good at.

Traore's defending did get exposed at times last season, particularly against the better sides and better attacking full-backs.   I suppose it is a case of trying to improve the former side of his game without impacting on the latter.

Traore is really really good at a hooked looping clearance across his own penalty area isn't he?

[sickbeggar]

Not sure Fonseca is the mythical "next level" candidate though. He record is on a par with the likes of Gerrard and Lampard.

The more I read about him, the more I think he's pretty much the type we should be going for. He quit Roma because they didn't keep the promises of investing; his second season was tarnished by injuries in the second half of the season. He'd get us very organised, understands tactics and has a very impressive win rate pretty much everywhere he's been.

He won't come cheap, rumours are he's likely to get paid £6m a year but I can see our owners going for it. Nothing in the press over here but the way we do business that's only to be expected. Gerrard or Lampard? They wish! I'd rather promote Mark Delaney. We just need the Jail Bars to confirm the appointment of Dick Emery.

Yeah i'm talking about perception really when I say next level. He could be great or rubbish, I certainly don't know.His career cv is ok. Did well at smaller Portugese clubs, so you could say he was a Potter. Bombed out at Porto, so you could say he was a Moyes. Did great at Shaktar who are like the big fish in a small pond so Gerrard, and he finished 5th at Roma. Well Lampard finished top 4. I'm not saying any of those managers are better than him, but to me he's not a guy who's gonna make people sit up and take notice or has the clout to present terms to our board. I mentioned Atkinson, SGT and MON as our last next level managers and that' holds true. Whether you thought they played great football or actually did the job, everyone knew we were aiming high. Same with Conte - it could all go easily pearshaped but I think most neutrals think Spurs could well be on the up again.

[Risso]

Traore is really really good at a hooked looping clearance across his own penalty area isn't he?

Nobody better. In the attacking third, he has a foot like a Ferrari, purring with brilliance. In the defensive third, his foot is like a sheriff's badge.

[Monty]

Fonseca did fairly well at Roma, who are pinballing about in their usual style. Was unlucky to lose Zaniolo to a long-termer (as Mou has been to lose Spinazzola), and 5th-7th is about their level given the competition. Nowhere near the squad Lampard had at Chelsea, for instance.

[cdbearsfan]

Re: Fonseca, I obviously know nothing about him because life's too short, but surely you've got to be winning the league at Porto?

Leave it mate, I've set my heart on him now and don't want anyone spoiling it by doing research or bringing facts into things.

For me, he meets the three key criteria:

1. Not being Frank Lampard
2. Not being John Terry
3. Not being Steven Gerrard

Will be gutted if Dick's decision to turn Newcastle down means they go back in for Fonseca, after all.

What if he plays *dramatic music* 5-3-2?!

Why must you do this to me?

Ha ha, even you would have to find it hilarious if it panned out that way 😂
I’m not sure you’d ever get over it, either

Maybe if I cover one eye so I can't see the right back I could convince myself we were playing four at the back but we'd had a midfielder sent off... wouldn't be so bad then.

[sickbeggar]

Fonseca did fairly well at Roma, who are pinballing about in their usual style. Was unlucky to lose Zaniolo to a long-termer (as Mou has been to lose Spinazzola), and 5th-7th is about their level given the competition. Nowhere near the squad Lampard had at Chelsea, for instance.

Perhaps but Lampard took over in the year they had the transfer ban and was responsible for blooding all the youngsters that Tuchel has benefitted from. It only went pear-shaped when he had money

[Monty]

Fonseca did fairly well at Roma, who are pinballing about in their usual style. Was unlucky to lose Zaniolo to a long-termer (as Mou has been to lose Spinazzola), and 5th-7th is about their level given the competition. Nowhere near the squad Lampard had at Chelsea, for instance.

Perhaps but Lampard took over in the year they had the transfer ban and was responsible for blooding all the youngster that Tuchel has benefitted from. It only went pear-shaped when he had money

He had no choice but to bring in the youngsters, and while he didn't do badly I don't think it's at all fair to say Tuchel is just benefitting off his work - he took the exact squad that Lampard was flailing around with and won the Champions League. Also yes, they had the transfer ban, but their squad wasn't exactly like ours when we got promoted was it? It was still overstuffed with world class players. Fonseca, in my opinion, would have done better than Lampard.

[sickbeggar]

Fonseca did fairly well at Roma, who are pinballing about in their usual style. Was unlucky to lose Zaniolo to a long-termer (as Mou has been to lose Spinazzola), and 5th-7th is about their level given the competition. Nowhere near the squad Lampard had at Chelsea, for instance.

Perhaps but Lampard took over in the year they had the transfer ban and was responsible for blooding all the youngster that Tuchel has benefitted from. It only went pear-shaped when he had money

He had no choice but to bring in the youngsters, and while he didn't do badly I don't think it's at all fair to say Tuchel is just benefitting off his work - he took the exact squad that Lampard was flailing around with and won the Champions League. Also yes, they had the transfer ban, but their squad wasn't exactly like ours when we got promoted was it? It was still overstuffed with world class players. Fonseca, in my opinion, would have done better than Lampard.

Being forced to play youngsters and doing well with them isn't really a negative in my book. Shows he can do it without resorting to 50m signings everytime he fancies it, although admittedly very very good young players.  Tuchel has been excellent but I do think Lampard suffered from his new signings taking time to bed in, a bit like our lot currently if you're being kind. Not saying he would have won the CL if he'd stayed but I don't think Fonseca would have either. He could have got a CL place like Lampard? fair comment. I don't think either him or Lampard are next level managers.

[Monty]

Perhaps not, but I think Fonseca is far more likely to be one than Fwank Jr.

[Gareth]

Is anyone else reading through this thread and thinking there is pretty much no one that they want to see manage the club mentioned?

I’ve said earlier that Galtier would be interesting but the likes of Fonseca & the raft of failed or inexperienced British managers just doesn’t appeal.

After Sunday thought 100% Dean would be gone if lose on Friday….hope more than ever that we get a win now & start the upturn.

[caster troy]

If memory serves, Southampton fans weren't happy with Pochettino coming in but their chairman had seen his potential and it paid off. He'd been sacked at Espanyol a few months earlier and I remember the pundits on MotD giving him a really hard time after the first game. There are no guarantees in football but if we could find our equivalent we'd be in business.

[ozzjim]

By the same token though Gareth, if Dean Smith, with his record at Villa, was one of the names in the hat that would not inspire me either.

[ChicagoLion]

Fonseca did fairly well at Roma, who are pinballing about in their usual style. Was unlucky to lose Zaniolo to a long-termer (as Mou has been to lose Spinazzola), and 5th-7th is about their level given the competition. Nowhere near the squad Lampard had at Chelsea, for instance.

Perhaps but Lampard took over in the year they had the transfer ban and was responsible for blooding all the youngsters that Tuchel has benefitted from. It only went pear-shaped when he had money

Tuchel did the thing Lampard failed to do which was sort out the defence.
He then built from there.