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Re: Reserves and Academy 2021/22
« Reply #810 on: February 04, 2022, 07:11:30 PM »

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Re: Reserves and Academy 2021/22
« Reply #811 on: February 07, 2022, 11:15:16 AM »
This is a good read and fills me with confidence that we are a truly professionally run club now

https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/february/06/FEATURE--Mark-Harrison-on-the-art-of-an-Academy-loan/

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Re: Reserves and Academy 2021/22
« Reply #812 on: February 07, 2022, 11:30:06 AM »
Be interesting to see what happens with Caleb up in Scotland , has not had a great start

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Re: Reserves and Academy 2021/22
« Reply #813 on: February 07, 2022, 11:36:33 AM »
Harrison said: “It’s about maturing the person as much as the player. That’s the whole holistic part of the loan and the development that it gives them. When they come back, you hope that they realise how lucky they are with how they’re supported at this football club.

“People’s perception of loans and whether they’re a success or not, the number one KPI is game time. But if you look at research, the first loans are often the most challenging because it’s a hell of a transition from playing Under-23s football to senior football,” Harrison said.

“What you often find is the first loan doesn’t always give a great amount of game time, but it does give a great amount of learning.”

This point often gets missed. Outwardly we might think that a loan move has failed when a player is out on loan but not getting game time. However, they might be growing up and starting to understand more.
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Re: Reserves and Academy 2021/22
« Reply #814 on: February 07, 2022, 06:40:07 PM »
Goodness me, the work going into this is extraordinary, and unparalleled in my lifetime. NSWE must be shovelling lorry-loads of cash to do this, with hopefully a payback if our academy bears fruit.

It’s a good time to be a Villa fan.

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Re: Reserves and Academy 2021/22
« Reply #815 on: February 07, 2022, 09:00:39 PM »
U23's lost again. 4-1 against Forest having taken the lead.

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Re: Reserves and Academy 2021/22
« Reply #816 on: February 07, 2022, 09:25:39 PM »
U23's lost again. 4-1 against Forest having taken the lead.

In their defence this is now a very young u23 side, I think all of them are still eligible for u18s.

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Re: Reserves and Academy 2021/22
« Reply #817 on: February 07, 2022, 09:31:22 PM »
U23's lost again. 4-1 against Forest having taken the lead.

In their defence this is now a very young u23 side, I think all of them are still eligible for u18s.

In a nutshell. It's not really comparing apples with apples to be honest. The best U23 players are now in and around the first team (Ramsey, Chuk, Ironbum etc) and the next best (JPB, Kesler, Archer) are out on loan. I expect therefore that the best U18s have been shunted up to fill the void in the U23s. The goal of the U23s is to produce players for the Premier League, not to win the U23 league.

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Re: Reserves and Academy 2021/22
« Reply #819 on: February 07, 2022, 10:28:46 PM »
U23's lost again. 4-1 against Forest having taken the lead.

In their defence this is now a very young u23 side, I think all of them are still eligible for u18s.

In a nutshell. It's not really comparing apples with apples to be honest. The best U23 players are now in and around the first team (Ramsey, Chuk, Ironbum etc) and the next best (JPB, Kesler, Archer) are out on loan. I expect therefore that the best U18s have been shunted up to fill the void in the U23s. The goal of the U23s is to produce players for the Premier League, not to win the U23 league.
That was the plan Christian Purslow was talking about a while back as a way of giving U20s experience and not blocking their way with older players who were never going to make the first team on a regular basis.

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Re: Reserves and Academy 2021/22
« Reply #820 on: February 07, 2022, 11:26:08 PM »
U23's lost again. 4-1 against Forest having taken the lead.

In their defence this is now a very young u23 side, I think all of them are still eligible for u18s.

In a nutshell. It's not really comparing apples with apples to be honest. The best U23 players are now in and around the first team (Ramsey, Chuk, Ironbum etc) and the next best (JPB, Kesler, Archer) are out on loan. I expect therefore that the best U18s have been shunted up to fill the void in the U23s. The goal of the U23s is to produce players for the Premier League, not to win the U23 league.
That was the plan Christian Purslow was talking about a while back as a way of giving U20s experience and not blocking their way with older players who were never going to make the first team on a regular basis.

Absolutely. The downside is that sometimes the inexperience wil lshow and we'll have little collapses like this where we concede 4 in 16 minutes and take a battering. This is, to an extent, all part of the process to learn how big the steps up are and what they need to do to make them.

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Re: Reserves and Academy 2021/22
« Reply #821 on: February 08, 2022, 04:34:00 AM »
https://twitter.com/bradjonessport/status/1490749653201080322?s=21

Wow I knew the kid could score goals but he really looks the all round package

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Re: Reserves and Academy 2021/22
« Reply #822 on: February 08, 2022, 12:55:08 PM »
Just went onto the website to see about getting tickets for the Fulham match in a couple of weeks but can't find it anywhere in the tickets section. Has it already sold out or not gone on sale yet?

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Re: Reserves and Academy 2021/22
« Reply #823 on: February 08, 2022, 01:51:55 PM »
Think we should put a bid in for 15 year old Palmeiras player Endrick. Looks a bit good

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Re: Reserves and Academy 2021/22
« Reply #824 on: February 08, 2022, 02:01:49 PM »
U23's lost again. 4-1 against Forest having taken the lead.

In their defence this is now a very young u23 side, I think all of them are still eligible for u18s.

In a nutshell. It's not really comparing apples with apples to be honest. The best U23 players are now in and around the first team (Ramsey, Chuk, Ironbum etc) and the next best (JPB, Kesler, Archer) are out on loan. I expect therefore that the best U18s have been shunted up to fill the void in the U23s. The goal of the U23s is to produce players for the Premier League, not to win the U23 league.
That was the plan Christian Purslow was talking about a while back as a way of giving U20s experience and not blocking their way with older players who were never going to make the first team on a regular basis.

I'm pretty sure Purslow went further than that, and said if your U23 side is full of players in the 20/21/22 age range then you've probably failed. He wanted the best 17/18-year-olds getting experience at that level, because by 20/21 they should be good enough for the first-team squad, because if they're not, then they're probably not good enough for Aston Villa.

I was chatting to a mate about this over the weekend, and it's a shame, but over the next year I expect we'll be saying goodbye to many of the FA Youth cup winning side, even some of those that we had really high hopes for.  There's just not enough room in the first-team squad for all of them, even the really promising ones.  I'm sure most of them will have decent careers in the game, but as we get closer to our aims as a club at the top end of the league, we will need to be a bit more ruthless with our youth products.

Unless of course we're going to model ourselves on Chelsea, and have a playing squad of 40, but with 15 or so players in their early twenties out on loan at any given time...

 


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