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[AV82EC]

^^ But it’s not about sustainability. And the rules are voted on by the clubs in their own self-interest, be they the Greedy 6, or clubs who want to stay clear of the bottom three.

We’ve just got to get on with it, and the owners have to find ways to pump their/other peoples’ money into the club, plus raise legitimate revenue.

I don’t see the point of coming on here or twitter and just saying ‘it ay fair’ over and over again.

Well said Percy. We know the financial rules aren’t fair that’s been obvious for at least 10 years, the focus should always be on what the club are doing about it. They’ve made huge strides in the period since Unai’s been here on commercial income, they just need to keep pushing that forwards. My own view is another top 4 finish and a Champs League campaign will help us break the €500m turnover figure and that will bring with it some sustainability in terms of SCR. It won’t fix it but it’ll be better than the current position and mean we can strengthen our squad.

[PeterWithe]

Are any of Man City's outstanding charges connected with over inflating sponsorship deals ?

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[paul_e]

If it was about financial security debt would play a much bigger role in the assessments but most of the teams that are the loudest voices have huge debts and don't want to have to deal with them so it gets ignored.

The frustrating thing is that we had a couple of seasons where we ran a huge deficit because that's the only way we could evolve from a championship team into a challenger for the European places but now we're there we're well run, playing by the rules and trying to establish ourselves and this is the point where everything kicks in to stop us.

[pauliewalnuts]

^^ But it’s not about sustainability. And the rules are voted on by the clubs in their own self-interest, be they the Greedy 6, or clubs who want to stay clear of the bottom three.

We’ve just got to get on with it, and the owners have to find ways to pump their/other peoples’ money into the club, plus raise legitimate revenue.

I don’t see the point of coming on here or twitter and just saying ‘it ay fair’ over and over again.

Well said Percy. We know the financial rules aren’t fair that’s been obvious for at least 10 years, the focus should always be on what the club are doing about it. They’ve made huge strides in the period since Unai’s been here on commercial income, they just need to keep pushing that forwards. My own view is another top 4 finish and a Champs League campaign will help us break the €500m turnover figure and that will bring with it some sustainability in terms of SCR. It won’t fix it but it’ll be better than the current position and mean we can strengthen our squad.

It is also harder to keep a straight face when saying it ay fair if you also look at some of our dreadful transfer business in recent years.

We have done very well despite our transfers, not because of them.

[Stu82]

^^ But it’s not about sustainability. And the rules are voted on by the clubs in their own self-interest, be they the Greedy 6, or clubs who want to stay clear of the bottom three.

We’ve just got to get on with it, and the owners have to find ways to pump their/other peoples’ money into the club, plus raise legitimate revenue.

I don’t see the point of coming on here or twitter and just saying ‘it ay fair’ over and over again.

Well said Percy. We know the financial rules aren’t fair that’s been obvious for at least 10 years, the focus should always be on what the club are doing about it. They’ve made huge strides in the period since Unai’s been here on commercial income, they just need to keep pushing that forwards. My own view is another top 4 finish and a Champs League campaign will help us break the €500m turnover figure and that will bring with it some sustainability in terms of SCR. It won’t fix it but it’ll be better than the current position and mean we can strengthen our squad.

Agree with both posts, we have a plan to grow our turnover to be much near to the shitty six.
Tomorrow Deloitte will realease turnover of clubs, and I think ours will be considerably higher at about 420m euro. This will put us in top 15 in Europe.

[aev]

^^ But it’s not about sustainability. And the rules are voted on by the clubs in their own self-interest, be they the Greedy 6, or clubs who want to stay clear of the bottom three.

We’ve just got to get on with it, and the owners have to find ways to pump their/other peoples’ money into the club, plus raise legitimate revenue.

I don’t see the point of coming on here or twitter and just saying ‘it ay fair’ over and over again.

Well said Percy. We know the financial rules aren’t fair that’s been obvious for at least 10 years, the focus should always be on what the club are doing about it. They’ve made huge strides in the period since Unai’s been here on commercial income, they just need to keep pushing that forwards. My own view is another top 4 finish and a Champs League campaign will help us break the €500m turnover figure and that will bring with it some sustainability in terms of SCR. It won’t fix it but it’ll be better than the current position and mean we can strengthen our squad.

It is also harder to keep a straight face when saying it ay fair if you also look at some of our dreadful transfer business in recent years.

We have done very well despite our transfers, not because of them.

The thing is, to get the 6 into a 7  you need to get almost everything right.

The 6 can make any number of mistakes and it doesn't really make too much of a difference to what they can do on the pitch.

[VILLA MOLE]

^^ But it’s not about sustainability. And the rules are voted on by the clubs in their own self-interest, be they the Greedy 6, or clubs who want to stay clear of the bottom three.

We’ve just got to get on with it, and the owners have to find ways to pump their/other peoples’ money into the club, plus raise legitimate revenue.

I don’t see the point of coming on here or twitter and just saying ‘it ay fair’ over and over again.

Well said Percy. We know the financial rules aren’t fair that’s been obvious for at least 10 years, the focus should always be on what the club are doing about it. They’ve made huge strides in the period since Unai’s been here on commercial income, they just need to keep pushing that forwards. My own view is another top 4 finish and a Champs League campaign will help us break the €500m turnover figure and that will bring with it some sustainability in terms of SCR. It won’t fix it but it’ll be better than the current position and mean we can strengthen our squad.

It is also harder to keep a straight face when saying it ay fair if you also look at some of our dreadful transfer business in recent years.

We have done very well despite our transfers, not because of them.

The thing is, to get the 6 into a 7  you need to get almost everything right.

The 6 can make any number of mistakes and it doesn't really make too much of a difference to what they can do on the pitch.

6-7  !!! down with the kids me   

[brontebilly]

Would some independent panel making annual assessments on player value work? Rogers is a far more valuable asset now than when we bought him for example. Might be more of an incentive to develop and retain players if asset appreciation was bankable.

[pauliewalnuts]

Asset appreciation already is bankable - you just don’t realise it until you sell.

[VILLA MOLE]

With regards sponsoring the ground if we wanted to , what kind of figures can we command

What do the Emirates , Etihad command ?

[pauliewalnuts]

With regards sponsoring the ground if we wanted to , what kind of figures can we command

What do the Emirates , Etihad command ?

That's not a fair comparison - those grounds have had their names since the start (or almost the start for the Etihad), so people actually use those names, which therefore have more value.

Villa Park is never going to be called anything other than that, regardless of who sponsors it, and that's why it'd fetch peanuts.

Also worth remembering - we don't own the ground in the first place either

[Goldenballs]

Can't we just break the rules 115 times and deal with it in 10 years?

[simon ward 50]

Can't we just break the rules 115 times and deal with it in 10 years?

Seems fair?

[Drummond]

Can't we just break the rules 115 times and deal with it in 10 years?

How about 345 times and leave it 30 years? I'll either be dead or won't care by then.

[Hookeysmith]

Are any of Man City's outstanding charges connected with over inflating sponsorship deals ?

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It has been that long i think everybody has forgotten.

This is the bitterest pill of all to swallow.

If we talk about commercial turnover then the likes of Arsenal, L.Liverpool, Chelsea and (gulp) Redfilth are globally supported mega teams that have had 25+ years to create sponsors, fan bases etc - in fact other than Arsenal most have won the majority of cups / titles in that time.

What sticks with Cite£ is the fact their stadium is hardly ever full, apart from the odd child i never see anyone wearing their kit, they are hardly splashed all over the world (compared to the others) yet they can spend like it is going out of fashion - clearly with the intent to hoover up top players to negate anyone else having them

Considering that the Premier league, UEFA and the majority of other football fans feel this has only been done on the back of basically cheating it really makes most people want to puke.

The fact that their charges have not been addressed yet is bordering corruption in itself.

If the authorities cannot address an issue like this then we have no chance of them reassessing trading conditions to even up the football playing field for anyone else.

Its a rigged deck and the likes of us and any other ambitious clubs are f*cked