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[wolfman999]

Maybe I've got my dates wrong but as we have only had two seasons of European football to date, does the rolling three year period include losses incurred before we were even subject to UEFA rules because we weren't taking part in their competitions. If so, surely that's bollocks.

[paul_e]

Maybe I've got my dates wrong but as we have only had two seasons of European football to date, does the rolling three year period include losses incurred before we were even subject to UEFA rules because we weren't taking part in their competitions. If so, surely that's bollocks.

There's a few things here.

It's covered by Articles 93-95 here - https://documents.uefa.com/r/UEFA-Club-Licensing-and-Financial-Sustainability-Regulations-2024/Cost-control-requirements-Online
93.04 confirms it's calendar year not season.
Nothing in there mentions a rolling period, it's entirely based on the year of the failure, it's also means that it's really messy to try to work it out just using the club accounts, even when they're available.
Our punishment is for 2024 so half the season in the conference league and half the season in the champions league, but with no CL prize money to offset the extra costs.

For me that feels pretty punishing for teams that, like us, go from bottom-half, to Europe, to CL in the space of 18months. The rules seem to be setup in a way that makes it very difficult to strengthen the squad in a way that helps a club cope with the extra games, especially if they sneak in unexpectedly. A bit of leeway to have a season or 2 to meet the requirements feels like it should be included.

[AV82EC]

Well one of the heavy loss years drops out of the calculations.  Just depends on what this year looks like.

£120m loss just dropped out, £80m loss drops out next season.

Percy, I know its a liberty but do you have the PSR adjusted loss for the last 4 or 5 seasons as per your Turnover figure above.

I don’t mate, sorry. There was a fair bit of difference between the headline loss figures and the adjusted figures after academy, infrastructure and women’s team spending was taken off though. That will of course continue to be the case with the new North stand and Warehouse.

Thanks Percy, realise it may have been a stretch. I did a bit of digging last year into the losses and then the PSR adjusted losses but just couldn’t get the figures to add up as I was looking to keep track. Ultimately though the move to SCR which UEFA have initiated and the PL following suit it seems as though PSR may not be as much of a  key issue going forwards.

[Percy McCarthy]

Just saw something called Sub Prime Goals (maybe on X, can’t find it again now) saying we still need to raise £50m to comply with UEFA rules. It said read more in the app, which I got, but then it wanted me to subscribe, at which point I was out.

Edit: found the tweet:

https://x.com/thepos_007/status/1960026889180839976?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA