FFP

[aj2k77]

When was it agreed this UEFA cost bollocks would come in to practice? I know it's a sliding scale set over a few years but it seemed to appear out of nowhere. Did they expect clubs to just start selling players? (Like we've had to)

[eamonn]

Well I think we were fined 10m because we failed to meet UEFA's rules in 2024 so i guess we must have known the criteria when we were in the Conference League.

[Dante Lavelli]

We can't afford to have non-contributing high wage-earners for the foreseeable. Given we've offloaded two of them, Donk and Coots and first team/fringe fellas like Ramsey and Bailey have also left with Buendia likely to follow suit, we've surely got our wages to revenue ratio down quite a good bit from 91% to where it needs to be, 70%. With a couple of loans to come, we can't go mental. At least if we get Asensio, we won't have had to pay him over the summer.

critical to that is promoting a couple of youth players.  We need two or three players on £30k week that are genuine squad options. Then they either get sold for “£30m” or get a pay rise to join the senior ranks.

We’ve sorted the FFP/PSR problem, the next is the wage ratio and promoting youth players seems to be the logical fix. Not to mention the feel good factor it provides.

[aj2k77]

Well I think we were fined 10m because we failed to meet UEFA's rules in 2024 so i guess we must have known the criteria when we were in the Conference League.

I understand that, but there was no real build up to it. How are you able to plan long term if new rules pop up that have to be adhered to within a couple of years. You end up selling everyone. It should have been introduced over 5 years.

[Dante Lavelli]

Well I think we were fined 10m because we failed to meet UEFA's rules in 2024 so i guess we must have known the criteria when we were in the Conference League.

I understand that, but there was no real build up to it. How are you able to plan long term if new rules pop up that have to be adhered to within a couple of years. You end up selling everyone. It should have been introduced over 5 years.

Agree.  When players are on five year contracts and therefore aren’t exactly liquid assets, it seems a touch harsh to penalise them almost as soon as they get invited to the top tables.

[Dave]

Well I think we were fined 10m because we failed to meet UEFA's rules in 2024 so i guess we must have known the criteria when we were in the Conference League.

I understand that, but there was no real build up to it. How are you able to plan long term if new rules pop up that have to be adhered to within a couple of years. You end up selling everyone. It should have been introduced over 5 years.

It's been reducing for the last few years - 90%, down to 80% and 70% going forward. So plenty of time to get the house in order.

[ozzjim]

Maybe, but if you've spent what was needed to stay up since consolidate in the prem, and don't have the inherited advantages of the cartel, you're not likely to meet those restrictions, knowing about them or not, without damaging the sporting side and having to massively increase revenue. You can rub your hands together like an excited parking attendant looking at his watch, but clubs like Villa, Newcastle and Forest need a bit more give and take to have any chance of long term growth to compete. Making the CL for one season and not the next because you've had to strip some of you're best players out while playing harder, more frequent games, doesn't strike me as the right balance. As for the teams are breaking the top 4 monopoly, look at the reaction to that by those clubs this summer in the transfer market.

I do however, think we've been poor in our recruitment in certain areas and need to significantly improve that.

[PaulWinch again]

I think we need to be better at identifying players who will improve the team, or at least the squad, and then integrate them much better. It’s been quite muddled at times.

[aj2k77]

Well I think we were fined 10m because we failed to meet UEFA's rules in 2024 so i guess we must have known the criteria when we were in the Conference League.

I understand that, but there was no real build up to it. How are you able to plan long term if new rules pop up that have to be adhered to within a couple of years. You end up selling everyone. It should have been introduced over 5 years.

It's been reducing for the last few years - 90%, down to 80% and 70% going forward. So plenty of time to get the house in order.

That's not even the length of the vast majority of players contracts.

[Dave]

Well I think we were fined 10m because we failed to meet UEFA's rules in 2024 so i guess we must have known the criteria when we were in the Conference League.

I understand that, but there was no real build up to it. How are you able to plan long term if new rules pop up that have to be adhered to within a couple of years. You end up selling everyone. It should have been introduced over 5 years.

It's been reducing for the last few years - 90%, down to 80% and 70% going forward. So plenty of time to get the house in order.

That's not even the length of the vast majority of players contracts.

Sure, I'm comfortable with "phasing them in over five years instead of three would have been a bit better", but it's still not like they were sprung on us.

We knew the rules long before we agreed to pay Malen twenty five million quid.

So we clearly weren't *that* worried.

[Sexual Ealing]

A lot of this discourse feels like a man with a losing betting slip following a bookie home and telling him he has kids to feed.

[AV82EC]

Well one of the heavy loss years drops out of the calculations.  Just depends on what this year looks like.

£120m loss just dropped out, £80m loss drops out next season.

Percy, I know its a liberty but do you have the PSR adjusted loss for the last 4 or 5 seasons as per your Turnover figure above.

[aj2k77]

A lot of this discourse feels like a man with a losing betting slip following a bookie home and telling him he has kids to feed.

Except we can afford to feed our kids but we aren't allowed to buy anything to fill the fridge until we sell something from inside it first.

[Percy McCarthy]

Well one of the heavy loss years drops out of the calculations.  Just depends on what this year looks like.

£120m loss just dropped out, £80m loss drops out next season.

Percy, I know its a liberty but do you have the PSR adjusted loss for the last 4 or 5 seasons as per your Turnover figure above.

I don’t mate, sorry. There was a fair bit of difference between the headline loss figures and the adjusted figures after academy, infrastructure and women’s team spending was taken off though. That will of course continue to be the case with the new North stand and Warehouse.

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A lot of this discourse feels like a man with a losing betting slip following a bookie home and telling him he has kids to feed.

The punter in this scenario can afford to buy the bookies and the rest of their competition in the market and both teams that were in the bet.