FFP

[manic-road]

I hoped that selling Duran in January may have lessened the need for player sales in the summer, lets see how it pans out.

[PeterWithe]

It does seem as though whatever we do as a club (get into the later stages of the champions league etc..) it is never enough to get us out of our FFP situation

Other clubs don’t seem to have issues so why do we?

Another few weeks of seeing who stays or goes

And the usual CL qualifiers have much, much bigger commercial income to offset spending against.

[tomd2103]

It does seem as though whatever we do as a club (get into the later stages of the champions league etc..) it is never enough to get us out of our FFP situation

Other clubs don’t seem to have issues so why do we?

Another few weeks of seeing who stays or goes

It's widely reported that we have the 10th highest wage bill in European football, yet our revenue is still way off that kind of level (although it has increased).

To put it into context, in the 23/24 season, according to the Deloitte list our revenue was over €200m less than the team.in 11th (Borussia Dortmund).   That is the problem. 

[baddowvillans]

It does seem as though whatever we do as a club (get into the later stages of the champions league etc..) it is never enough to get us out of our FFP situation

Other clubs don’t seem to have issues so why do we?

Another few weeks of seeing who stays or goes

Newcastle have had exactly the same issues

[VinnieChase84]

If its any comfort psr isnt this summer/june anywhere near as bad as it was last year! Plus we have a big loss year falling out of calculations this coming season and being replaced by our highest revenue one

Issue for us is we WANT to continue to bring in new and refresh squad. Its in doing that which means we have to sell.

IF we had wanted to then outside of selling a few "squad players/loanees" in june - then we could have kept the entire same team/sold no one and bought no one

[cdbearsfan]

If its any comfort psr isnt this summer/june anywhere near as bad as it was last year!

Doesn't this mean that it will just be much worse next season, with no Champions League/Durán to boost the figures?

[VinnieChase84]

If its any comfort psr isnt this summer/june anywhere near as bad as it was last year!

Doesn't this mean that it will just be much worse next season, with no Champions League/Durán to boost the figures?

Not necessarily, the 3rd year of psr falls off and is replaced by our best one yet

[cdbearsfan]

Oh I didn't know it was a three year rolling thing.

[paul_e]

If its any comfort psr isnt this summer/june anywhere near as bad as it was last year! Plus we have a big loss year falling out of calculations this coming season and being replaced by our highest revenue one

Issue for us is we WANT to continue to bring in new and refresh squad. Its in doing that which means we have to sell.

IF we had wanted to then outside of selling a few "squad players/loanees" in june - then we could have kept the entire same team/sold no one and bought no one

That backs up where I think we should be with my shitty napkin maths based on in and outs and Heck's £360m revenue comments.

[Dave]

If its any comfort psr isnt this summer/june anywhere near as bad as it was last year!

Doesn't this mean that it will just be much worse next season, with no Champions League/Durán to boost the figures?

Not necessarily, the 3rd year of psr falls off and is replaced by our best one yet

Arent we juggling two sets of figures though?

We're trying to meet PSR for the Premier League, but assuming we're planning on doing "European stuff", we also have to meet Financial Sustainability Regulations for UEFA, which "limits a club's spending on player and coach wages, transfers, and agent fees to 70% of its revenue. This rule is being implemented gradually, starting with a 90% threshold in the 2023/24 season, 80% in 2024/25, and then permanently 70% from 2025/26".

So the rolling three year Premier League version is getting better as you say, but lack of Champions League money next season is happening at the worst possible time for the UEFA version as it will see a 25/26 revenue drop at the same time the limit reduces permanently as well.

I think this summer isn't necessary about trying to avoid points deductions in 25/26 à la Nottingham Forest, it's so that in season 26/27 UEFA don't kick us out of the Champions League because our wages are 85% of next years reduced revenue.

[ozzjim]

I thought the 3 years rolling was being replaced after this summer?

[Rotterdam]

From Vinnie in the 'speculation' thread...

'Buendia £10m minimum
Barry - £5-10m
Iling Junior - £5-10m
Enzo - £15m
Dendonker - free
Coutinho - free
Ned - £10-15m
Bailey - £20-25m

That's best part of £100m there.'

I agree Dendonker and Coutinho released on a free.
I doubt Barry would go for £10m and Junior/Buendia probably wouldn't command a fee of £10m either. Maybe £15m for the three?
Personally, I'd keep Ned and Enzo.
 

My thoughts are Emi and Bailey will go for around £50m. Emi goes to Barca and Leon either return to German or Saudi.
Barkley maybe sold for £3m or so.
If we can pull in £65  for the above, that should keep the wolf from the door.

Purely guesswork obviously.

[eamonn]

Coutinho still has a year left so he'll continue to be one of the highest paid players at the club until June 2026.

But I think your transfer estimates are all a little on the low side.

[Dogtanian]

I would imagine Coutinho will be cut adrift this summer.

Accounts wise, it didn't make sense to do it last year as you would be taking two years worth of hit in one financial year. But now he's down to one year, it doesn't matter.

Not sure of the ins and outs, but perhaps it is possible to settle his contract and not class it as salary so the final year doesn't go into the salary percentage calculations?

[AV82EC]

I would imagine Coutinho will be cut adrift this summer.

Accounts wise, it didn't make sense to do it last year as you would be taking two years worth of hit in one financial year. But now he's down to one year, it doesn't matter.

Not sure of the ins and outs, but perhaps it is possible to settle his contract and not class it as salary so the final year doesn't go into the salary percentage calculations?

What make him redundant so it’s an exceptional cost? I like your thinking Dogtanian.

Being serious it maybe settling the contract with just one year to run rather than continually paying out is the better option. We’ll see.