FFP

[PaulWinch again]

I don’t really see what’s to be punished - we’re undervaluing Doug to aid in getting him out the door, most of the other prices look plausible. Ok the Kellyman one looks a bit high, but it’s not insane based on what gets paid for some young players these days.

And if it’s about the timing, well that’s the nature of having this type of deadline. It causes teams to scramble.

[dalians umbrella]

This rule, cited in the Times article is a bit of a worry:

Its rule B15 states: “In all matters and transactions relating to the league each club, official and director shall behave towards each other club, official, director and the league with the utmost good faith. For the avoidance of doubt and by way of example only, it shall be a breach of the duties under this rule to act dishonestly towards the league or another club; or engage in conduct that is intended to circumvent these rules or obstruct the board’s investigation of compliance with them.”

https://archive.ph/2TL8J#selection-2299.0-2299.498

[Dogtanian]

Okay… and what rule are we circumventing?

[dalians umbrella]

Okay… and what rule are we circumventing?

I'm sure they'd find one.

[Dogtanian]

Fans are talking about it because they don’t understand how businesses work.

The media are talking about it because there’s no story if it’s normal.

I would like to see them challenge this in a court.

[dalians umbrella]

Fans are talking about it because they don’t understand how businesses work.

The media are talking about it because there’s no story if it’s normal.

I would like to see them challenge this in a court.

But these decisions aren’t made in a court but in a private members club where 20 clubs sign up to the rules

[Dogtanian]

Fans are talking about it because they don’t understand how businesses work.

The media are talking about it because there’s no story if it’s normal.

I would like to see them challenge this in a court.

But these decisions aren’t made in a court but in a private members club where 20 clubs sign up to the rules

That’s how rules get changed, not investigations or judgements.

[Smithy]

Okay… and what rule are we circumventing?

And that's precisely the point.  If we were selling kellyman for £50m and buying Maatsen for £70m, they could point to this rule and probably make a VERY compelling case that we'd attempted to circumvent PSR rules.

But at the current prices, they simply can't.  West Ham have just spent £23m on an 18-year-old from Brazil that no one had heard of a month ago.  The reality is, this IS what promising teenagers cost these days.  And we're fortunate we've had a few promising teenagers in recent years.

[villadelph]

Okay… and what rule are we circumventing?

And that's precisely the point.  If we were selling kellyman for £50m and buying Maatsen for £70m, they could point to this rule and probably make a VERY compelling case that we'd attempted to circumvent PSR rules.

But at the current prices, they simply can't.  West Ham have just spent £23m on an 18-year-old from Brazil that no one had heard of a month ago.  The reality is, this IS what promising teenagers cost these days.  And we're fortunate we've had a few promising teenagers in recent years.

Totally agree.. no one was crying foul when we sold Chuk last summer.

[Dante Lavelli]

If people are complaining about inflated fees, can we then argue and receive the extra £20m on Doug’s fee?

[Ian.]

Wolves bought a complete unknown kid for 40 million, and I’m sure he’s been in Scotland on loan for the last year and still looks crap in that league.

[Smithy]

I don't see how this could possibly be enforced at the prices that are actually being paid?

Imagine if we got a slap on the wrists (or worse) for "overvaluing" Kellyman, and in two years he's a Chelsea regular, in the England team next to Bellingham, and worth £100m.  Can we retrospectively have our slap/fine removed?

I understand how you can question values for established players, but teenagers? You're paying for potential, and sometimes it's just not realised.

[villadelph]

If people are complaining about inflated fees, can we then argue and receive the extra £20m on Doug’s fee?

I mean, just look at Manyoo and Chelsea's transfer business over the last two years. You want to talk about inflated fees..? They invented it.

100m for Mudryk and Antony, who's that helping? Because it sure ain't sustainable.

[Steve67]

Player prices are shortly subjective? How on earth can anybody prove that Omari Kellyman isn’t worth £19 million or, is worth £19 million? It’s all a subjective load of crap. Nothing to see here.

[Beard82]

Like you say - its impossible to judge.  FFP needs to be overhauled - its just this summer clubs have to take it into there own hands.

The rules are stupid - basically its like going to a bank and saying that you want to take 1,000 out my millions of savings - and them saying - you don't earn enough.

And then someone else saying, I want to take 100,000 out, and add it to my millions of debt - that being fine.

Or some other analogy that a better example