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[Smithy]

But... It's not a scam if both clubs are actually targeting said players. We could probably produce chapter and verse on scouting Gallagher, and Chelsea were interested in Duran before we bought him in. As such, if we bought Gallagher for £50, they bought Duran for £40, everyone wins

You said you wouldn't sell Duran for anything less than £50m   To be fair, I'd be more than happy to get £40m for him. His career could go any which way, from ridiculous to sublime.

But I still have a hard time with a £50m valuation of Gallagher given he has one year to go on his contract and Chelsea are under pressure to make big sales this summer.

I used to think the 1-year left thing changed prices, but I don't think it does. It just removes the clubs option to say "no, we're not selling".  Kane went last year for full value despite having 1 year left. I was convinced Spurs would struggle to get £60/70m given he had one year left.  The reality is, it made no difference whatsoever to his price.

[frank black]

But... It's not a scam if both clubs are actually targeting said players. We could probably produce chapter and verse on scouting Gallagher, and Chelsea were interested in Duran before we bought him in. As such, if we bought Gallagher for £50, they bought Duran for £40, everyone wins

You said you wouldn't sell Duran for anything less than £50m   To be fair, I'd be more than happy to get £40m for him. His career could go any which way, from ridiculous to sublime.

But I still have a hard time with a £50m valuation of Gallagher given he has one year to go on his contract and Chelsea are under pressure to make big sales this summer.

I used to think the 1-year left thing changed prices, but I don't think it does. It just removes the clubs option to say "no, we're not selling".  Kane went last year for full value despite having 1 year left. I was convinced Spurs would struggle to get £60/70m given he had one year left.  The reality is, it made no difference whatsoever to his price.

Teams do occasionally dig in and say they want the full price. It rarely happens with 1 year left though. The ultimate gamble was PSG saying Mbappe wasn’t for sale unless x was paid. Problem was also the fact the player decided he wanted a Bosman. You really have to sell to the highest bidder if you can and if the player only wants 1 team it’s tough negotiations.

[Dogtanian]

Yeah, I think Kane and that are exceptions. As a business, you have to weigh the potential that the player can be gone for free in 12 months time if they don't get the move they want. This can force the club's hand.

If Club A offer £20m for a player you value at £40m, but that player wants to go to Club A or he'll see out his contract... you have to take the £20m or nothing.

[Percy McCarthy]

Does anyone know the PSR implications of Cameron Archer's return? i.e the pure £19m we made on him last summer - is that now eroded by re-signing him at a similar value over a 4 (?) year term, i.e just under £5m per season?

Jacob Tamswell, the Villa bloke at The Athletic, reckons we sold for £18.5m, of which Sheff Utd paid £9m up front, and the deal was if they got relegated they’d just send him back and not have to pay the rest. So in effect it was a £9m loan.

[Dogtanian]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/06/07/aston-villas-billionaire-owner-moves-to-abu-dhabi-fuelling/

"Villa are not understood to be the undisclosed club in full support of City’s landmark arbitration hearing next week on spending controls."

"...the Egyptian billionaire is believed to enjoy a warm relationship with City chairman Khaldoon Al Mubarak..."

"Over the past season, there has been little sign in voting patterns that Villa have been supportive of City’s position."

[pablo_picasso]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/06/07/aston-villas-billionaire-owner-moves-to-abu-dhabi-fuelling/

"Villa are not understood to be the undisclosed club in full support of City’s landmark arbitration hearing next week on spending controls."

"...the Egyptian billionaire is believed to enjoy a warm relationship with City chairman Khaldoon Al Mubarak..."

"Over the past season, there has been little sign in voting patterns that Villa have been supportive of City’s position."

That's really good to hear...

[Toronto Villa]

A fucking shocker that we didn’t “sympathize” with Man City. In fact, I’d be shocked if any rival club owner actually did. Could we align with certain aspects of the argument? Like spending limits and how they are calculated? Sure. But to think that any owner would be ok with what Man City are accused of to unfairly gain financial advantages is a little far fetched.

[PeterWithe]

Wouldn't Newcastle be the obvious guess as the club in question?

[rougegorge]

Wouldn't Newcastle be the obvious guess as the club in question?

Yes

[Somniloquism]

The other one I nominated was Manure because Ratcliffe likes to sponsor loads of their own stuff, for example the Nice main shirt sponsor is Ineos.

[PaulWinch again]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/06/07/aston-villas-billionaire-owner-moves-to-abu-dhabi-fuelling/

"Villa are not understood to be the undisclosed club in full support of City’s landmark arbitration hearing next week on spending controls."

"...the Egyptian billionaire is believed to enjoy a warm relationship with City chairman Khaldoon Al Mubarak..."

"Over the past season, there has been little sign in voting patterns that Villa have been supportive of City’s position."

Good to hear.

[eamonn]

But didn't the meedja say the opposite yesterday? Who to believe in these toxic times...

[kippaxvilla2]

On a side note Nas has apparently moved to Abu Dhabi.

[kippaxvilla2]

Oh it’s above already.

[KevinGage]

Nas prob knows Khaldoon Al Mubarak personally, sure.

Both come from prominent families in the neighbourhood. And Nas' construction firm are tied to a lot of the big infastructure projects in Abu Dhabi and the wider Emirates in general.

It might also be pragmatic to keep channels open if - for example - we ever wanted Grealish back on reasonable terms. Or were interested in Alvarez or whoever else.

Doesn't mean we should be rowing in behind the Clown Prince of Darkness on this latest flight of fantasy.