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[chrisw1]

Heck has pretty much said they want to maximise the current bowl, so in the short-medium term I think anybody expecting anything other than a crap compromise solution is going to be disappointed.

[pauliewalnuts]

I'm with Paulie. Something is afoot.

If you are both correct then they are planning something quite divisive.

Goodison Park is falling apart. White Hart Lane couldn't really be expanded from what it was. We don't have that. We absolutely could improve and expand Villa Park. We already had the plan to achieve that.

No we can’t. We can’t do anything in the Witton side of the ground and the transport is woeful for 40k let alone 55 or 60k.

[eamonn]

How much have we spent on the Brookvale Academy training centre - purposely built a stone's throw from Villa Park?
And how much will we spend on revamping the "megastore" and the "Warehouse" (to fit 3,000 folk at any one time)? It seems a lot to plan and spend-on if it's just for short to medium term use until we move away from Villa Park.

[curiousorange]

Heck has pretty much said they want to maximise the current bowl, so in the short-medium term I think anybody expecting anything other than a crap compromise solution is going to be disappointed.

Doing this while planning a new ground isn't necessarily exclusive. In fact, given the time it would take to break ground and see the construction through, I would be surprised if they didn't try and stuff Villa Park up the the gills. It's if the crap compromise is the forever solution that's the problem.

[Villan82]

I'm with Paulie. Something is afoot.

If you are both correct then they are planning something quite divisive.

Goodison Park is falling apart. White Hart Lane couldn't really be expanded from what it was. We don't have that. We absolutely could improve and expand Villa Park. We already had the plan to achieve that.

No we can’t. We can’t do anything in the Witton side of the ground and the transport is woeful for 40k let alone 55 or 60k.

If there was a site with two rail stations empty we'd be saying 'build it there'.

If we have a billion for a new stadium we can easily cut a deal for Witton for much less imho. And clearly behind the North Stand we have acres for development

[SamTheMouse]

Someone needs to sit Heck down and show him Field of Dreams.

[pablo_picasso]

I'm with Paulie. Something is afoot.

If you are both correct then they are planning something quite divisive.

Goodison Park is falling apart. White Hart Lane couldn't really be expanded from what it was. We don't have that. We absolutely could improve and expand Villa Park. We already had the plan to achieve that.

No we can’t. We can’t do anything in the Witton side of the ground and the transport is woeful for 40k let alone 55 or 60k.

Why not?

[Brazilian Villain]

Someone needs to sit Heck down and show him Field of Dreams.

As opposed to Dances with Wolves.

[pauliewalnuts]

I'm with Paulie. Something is afoot.

If you are both correct then they are planning something quite divisive.

Goodison Park is falling apart. White Hart Lane couldn't really be expanded from what it was. We don't have that. We absolutely could improve and expand Villa Park. We already had the plan to achieve that.

No we can’t. We can’t do anything in the Witton side of the ground and the transport is woeful for 40k let alone 55 or 60k.

Why not?

Because of the housing there. We can’t build higher without disrupting sight lines and we are not about to get a CP order for 100 private houses.

See what Liverpool had to do. Act like ****** for 20 years.

[pablo_picasso]

I'm with Paulie. Something is afoot.

If you are both correct then they are planning something quite divisive.

Goodison Park is falling apart. White Hart Lane couldn't really be expanded from what it was. We don't have that. We absolutely could improve and expand Villa Park. We already had the plan to achieve that.

No we can’t. We can’t do anything in the Witton side of the ground and the transport is woeful for 40k let alone 55 or 60k.

Why not?

Because of the housing there. We can’t build higher without disrupting sight lines and we are not about to get a CP order for 100 private houses.

See what Liverpool had to do. Act like ****** for 20 years.

Ah, so it's about the height for the houses, as opposed to the actual road?

If it was the road, we could just do what they did at the Vicente Calderón Stadium & build over the road, like they did with a dual carriageway.

If its about height, then the only other option is to dig down...

Not sure if that could work or not though.

While it all fascinates me, engineering & architecture are not exactly my forte... 👍

[Risso]

How much have we spent on the Brookvale Academy training centre - purposely built a stone's throw from Villa Park?
And how much will we spend on revamping the "megastore" and the "Warehouse" (to fit 3,000 folk at any one time)? It seems a lot to plan and spend-on if it's just for short to medium term use until we move away from Villa Park.

The new club shop won't cost very much at all. I imagine they're just going to use some of the upstairs space, and so the cost will be that of a minor shop fit out, ie bugger all in the grand scheme of things. Similarly the Warehouse plans have been massively scaled back from the Villa Live idea, so I imagine it will be a bar at one end, and then a load of exposed brick and rustic looking trestle tables. Not much again as there's no actual building to do, and if it's even half decent, it'll start to pay for itself straight away.

[tomd2103]

I'm with Paulie. Something is afoot.

If you are both correct then they are planning something quite divisive.

Goodison Park is falling apart. White Hart Lane couldn't really be expanded from what it was. We don't have that. We absolutely could improve and expand Villa Park. We already had the plan to achieve that.

No we can’t. We can’t do anything in the Witton side of the ground and the transport is woeful for 40k let alone 55 or 60k.

If there was a site with two rail stations empty we'd be saying 'build it there'.

If we have a billion for a new stadium we can easily cut a deal for Witton for much less imho. And clearly behind the North Stand we have acres for development

The 'problem' with the current location is that the club probably wouldn't get the non-football benefits of a brand new stadium with corporate and entertainment facilities because of where it is. 

[tomd2103]

I'm with Paulie. Something is afoot.

There has to be I would think.  You can't get a sensible answer to the big question 'how do we move the club forward' without pretty quickly considering the ground.  If we are discussing it on here, they surely must be. 

[Sexual Ealing]

https://twitter.com/PurelyFootball/status/1775870305010962928

🚨 The Premier League is considering REMOVING points deductions and introducing an NBA-style 'luxury tax' due to concerns that top players might leave if their pay is restricted.

The 'luxury tax' would penalise clubs financially for overspending, with the penalty increasing based on their spending. Clubs in theory could still choose to spend freely if they prefer but with the knowledge of taking another financial hit.

The tax could then be distributed to the other Premier League clubs who stayed within the rules.

(Source:
@MikeKeegan_DM)

[curiousorange]

A lot of the consideration has to be transport links. As someone said earlier, if you had a site that was between two railway stations you wouldn't look anywhere else, but context is king - they don't get trains every five minutes like an underground or a suburban line. I think this would be the problem with a site like the NEC too; it has a railway station but the trains are nowhere near regular enough for sixty odd thousand people to come and go once a fortnight.

To the latter, I'd also add the multi-use aspect: any new stadium on the scale we envisage has to be bringing in gigs and events every summer at least. Would building next to the NEC hinder that? Would having a city centre stadium hinder that with the proximity of the NIA? Spuds bring in the NFL, Spam seem to have dibs on the baseball, is there anything left for Brum?

There are pros and cons to every possible location, but ultimately you just have to have a plan and faith it'll work out. I mean, we're the second city, we should act like it.