FFP

[AV82EC]

Didn't we spend most of the 2010s under-achieving relative to salaries paid?

I remember in 09/10 when we lost out on the last CL place to someone called 'Spuds', despite spending more than them in wages. So I wouldn't be surprised.

Oh god, the terrible realisation of a possible discussion of Spurs Wage bill.

[pablo_picasso]

Didn't we spend most of the 2010s under-achieving relative to salaries paid?

I remember in 09/10 when we lost out on the last CL place to someone called 'Spuds', despite spending more than them in wages. So I wouldn't be surprised.

That was about the time we started signing shit like Habib Beye & Steve Sidwell & the likes ManC gutted us for our best players...

[Gareth]

Didn't we spend most of the 2010s under-achieving relative to salaries paid?

I remember in 09/10 when we lost out on the last CL place to someone called 'Spuds', despite spending more than them in wages. So I wouldn't be surprised.

Oh god, the terrible realisation of a possible discussion of Spurs Wage bill.

Just ask the owners ‘friends’ - they’ll probably have a copy of the wage bill to share

[kippaxvilla2]

Do the PL really want City punished, therefore admitting all their trophies and all the entertainment they have bought since 2008, was basically done by cheating. That would seriously damage the PL brand???
It’s all very dark and a lot of unknowns. Added with the Everton and Forest situation, it’s all just a big mess.

The PL isnt an entity, it is 20 separate clubs with their own interests. Almost all of them would love to see Man City knocked off their perch. Especially those that have complied with the rules

Question and point still stands.

If Citeh do get punished in the way they should then the brand is going to get damaged but it will move on.  If Citeh do not get punished or punished appropriately then I think the league will go into meltdown.  The likes of Liverpool, Manure, us and most of the others are not going to stand for that.

[ChicagoLion]

Do the PL really want City punished, therefore admitting all their trophies and all the entertainment they have bought since 2008, was basically done by cheating. That would seriously damage the PL brand???
It’s all very dark and a lot of unknowns. Added with the Everton and Forest situation, it’s all just a big mess.

The PL isnt an entity, it is 20 separate clubs with their own interests. Almost all of them would love to see Man City knocked off their perch. Especially those that have complied with the rules

Question and point still stands.

If Citeh do get punished in the way they should then the brand is going to get damaged but it will move on.  If Citeh do not get punished or punished appropriately then I think the league will go into meltdown.  The likes of Liverpool, Manure, us and most of the others are not going to stand for that.

Yep, I don’t think it’s possible for the PL to survive if they don’t take action against Citeh.

[Simon Page]

I think we might be putting too much faith in the honesty and fair play of billionaires. If the Oilers don't get punished, I expect everyone will buy a round of yachts on which they can work out how to use the precedent to ensure all wealthy folk get to bend the regs. A bit of ever-so-concerned tutting via the PR dept, then back to amassing wealth and having fun with footballs.

[Percy McCarthy]

We're 21st in the Deloitte money list. Randy Lerner is semi-tumescent in anticipation of next year.

I’d love to know how they calculated that as we haven’t even announced our 22/23 Company accounts yet?

The club probably volunteers the figure in order to be included in the survey. How accurate did the €210m turn out to be last year?

EDIT: just converted it, it was pretty much spot on.

[AV82EC]

We're 21st in the Deloitte money list. Randy Lerner is semi-tumescent in anticipation of next year.

I’d love to know how they calculated that as we haven’t even announced our 22/23 Company accounts yet?

The club probably volunteers the figure in order to be included in the survey. How accurate did the €210m turn out to be last year?

It was spot on when I did the currency conversion so you’re probably right Perce.

[Percy McCarthy]

We're 21st in the Deloitte money list. Randy Lerner is semi-tumescent in anticipation of next year.

I’d love to know how they calculated that as we haven’t even announced our 22/23 Company accounts yet?

The club probably volunteers the figure in order to be included in the survey. How accurate did the €210m turn out to be last year?

It was spot on when I did the currency conversion so you’re probably right Perce.

Yes, I stopped being lazy and did it as well. Plenty of increase in the next two years as well, considering higher League positions (fingers crossed), higher gate receipts, UECL prize money and Adidas. Stadium naming rights and new shirt sponsor to come?

The Warehouse will be a boost if they get two or three thousand in there every game like they’re hoping.

[pauliewalnuts]

Stuff like the Warehouse will contribute barely anything to those figures. Even if, say, 2,000 people spent an average of £20 there every home match (which is on the high side), that's less than 800k for the season.

Same with Lower Grounds and Terrace View. We have to have them, because it is all revenue and what not, but the numbers involved are still very small in the bigger picture.

This is one of the things that confuses me about the North Stand. It is a clear way to introduce 10,000 more paying customers, and with a new stand establishing a pretty high cost point with decent (and revenue raising) corporate facilities.

[paul_e]

Stuff like the Warehouse will contribute barely anything to those figures. Even if, say, 2,000 people spent an average of £20 there every home match (which is on the high side), that's less than 800k for the season.

Same with Lower Grounds and Terrace View. We have to have them, because it is all revenue and what not, but the numbers involved are still very small in the bigger picture.

This is one of the things that confuses me about the North Stand. It is a clear way to introduce 10,000 more paying customers, and with a new stand establishing a pretty high cost point with decent (and revenue raising) corporate facilities.

The thing there though is that the Warehouse can be used a lot more often than that, Make it a concert/conference/wedding/etc facility and even if you only get 25-30% occupancy through the year that would quickly add up to a lot more than the £800k you mention. I'd expect they'll have aimed for it to be at least £4-5m extra with all the other stuff included. Not breaking the bank but exactly the sort of small gains that we can make quite quickly and cheaply that Heck will be looking for, especially given the costs to build it aren't included in FFP/P&S.

[Villan82]

Stuff like the Warehouse will contribute barely anything to those figures. Even if, say, 2,000 people spent an average of £20 there every home match (which is on the high side), that's less than 800k for the season.

Same with Lower Grounds and Terrace View. We have to have them, because it is all revenue and what not, but the numbers involved are still very small in the bigger picture.

This is one of the things that confuses me about the North Stand. It is a clear way to introduce 10,000 more paying customers, and with a new stand establishing a pretty high cost point with decent (and revenue raising) corporate facilities.

Correct. The original plans showed a lot of joined up thinking. Get more people to the ground. Offer them more things to do and more spaces to be either side of kick off so that there isn't a great exodus all at once. it also showed joined up thinking in terms of revenue raising outside match day, with 'Villa Live' as a space for events, conference, retail etc as you see at a lot of big stadia now. It also thought in terms of the wider area as a more connected place. I think that video on YT even said 'A new era for Witton and Aston'.

More than that, it was s statement that we are here to stay in the location and NSWE see themselves as here for the long-term.

The Heck announcement has been really unsettling on a number of fronts. They can't reasonably expect to so publicly show such ambition in terms of the future of Villa Park and then almost sneak out the news they aren't doing it any more. The whole thing just doesn't stack up

[PeterWithesShin]

Beeb article on Newcastle and financial restrictions

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68086979

[lovejoy]

The bottom line is we need to expand the stadium even to compete with the likes of Newcastle and West Ham.

[rob_bridge]

The bottom line is we need to expand the stadium even to compete with the likes of Newcastle and West Ham.

We do - there is nothing of Villa Park's size within a 50 miles radius. We need to keep it that way.