FFP

[Villan82]

It's all very curious. I think it was 2021 they first mentioned redevelopment. We got drawings in Spring 2022 and we got a video render in December 2022. We were told May 2024 commencement.

Now we have one of our employees basically telling us 'The ground is good enough for you lot as it is and we don't want to keep up with peer clubs'. Even if they see sense and get the wheels in motion again surely we have lost another two years so instead of being ready in 2026 we will be lucky to have it for 2028 or 2029 and who knows where things will be on the pitch by then. I just don't get it.

[Rigadon]

It's all very curious. I think it was 2021 they first mentioned redevelopment. We got drawings in Spring 2022 and we got a video render in December 2022. We were told May 2024 commencement.

Now we have one of our employees basically telling us 'The ground is good enough for you lot as it is and we don't want to keep up with peer clubs'. Even if they see sense and get the wheels in motion again surely we have lost another two years so instead of being ready in 2026 we will be lucky to have it for 2028 or 2029 and who knows where things will be on the pitch by then. I just don't get it.

I can only think it's one of two things.  1.  They don't want to play our first CL campaign in a building site.  2. They have rethought developing the current ground and now favour a new stadium, somewhere nearby / not as nearby as it would need to be in order not to piss most fans off.  Or, it's a mix of ethnic two things.

Just deciding that they can't be arsed anymore seems too illogical, especially since they've recently brought in more funding.

[Risso]

Holding off/cancelling a development for a competition you haven't even qualified for yet would be utterly mental.

[Rigadon]

Holding off/cancelling a development for a competition you haven't even qualified for yet would be utterly mental.

I know what you mean and agree to some extent.  But part of me would prefer to see the team play in VP as it is now rather than with extensive works being done.  If I had to guess it's because they've decide on a new stadium. 

[Smithy]

Holding off/cancelling a development for a competition you haven't even qualified for yet would be utterly mental.

is it possible that we're so close to our FFP limit that losing the 5/6/7 million a year in gate receipts from that stand could give us problems in the next two years?  Even then, surely we'd be better off selling a player than cancelling a long-term redevelopment?

My suspicion is that our longer-term plans have changed - or are a bit up in the air - and no one wants to commit £100m to a project that might be looked at as a "mistake" in 5-10 years.  Whether they want to be more ambitious with the redevelopment of the whole stadium, or want to move to another stadium, who knows?

[chrisw1]

Holding off/cancelling a development for a competition you haven't even qualified for yet would be utterly mental.

I know what you mean and agree to some extent.  But part of me would prefer to see the team play in VP as it is now rather than with extensive works being done.  If I had to guess it's because they've decide on a new stadium. 

Much as I like Villa Park, I almost hope that they have.  Because the alternative that they genuinely think the north development was too much too fast is extremely concerning. 

My ideal outcome would be that they are just redesigning the north to be a bit bigger - a few more seats but in particular building far more corporate space.  There's a load of space behind the stand and they could make up for some of the shortcomings of the other stands by just building a much deeper development and doubling the originally proposed corporate space in the new stand.

I also think we as fans may have to be a bit less precious about design.  If they have to fill the north corners in then so be it.  It's still Villa Park and better than an out-of-town shopping centre bowl.

[pablo_picasso]

Would somebody please do me the favour of dumbing down the info on the linked tweet so that a mathematical moron can understand what his data means?

Please...

https://twitter.com/espenstrand/status/1752692625872986440?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

[Villatillidie25]

Would somebody please do me the favour of dumbing down the info on the linked tweet so that a mathematical moron can understand what his data means?

Please...

https://twitter.com/espenstrand/status/1752692625872986440?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Basically just means that we spend close to £200m a year in salaries plus amortised transfer fees. There's a lot more that goes into PSR though so it won't just be a case of revenue less these costs but at least it gives a decent indication of the main areas of expenditure

[pablo_picasso]

Would somebody please do me the favour of dumbing down the info on the linked tweet so that a mathematical moron can understand what his data means?

Please...

https://twitter.com/espenstrand/status/1752692625872986440?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Basically just means that we spend close to £200m a year in salaries plus amortised transfer fees. There's a lot more that goes into PSR though so it won't just be a case of revenue less these costs but at least it gives a decent indication of the main areas of expenditure

Ok. Cheers mate. Thanks for the info. 👌👍

[tomd2103]

Holding off/cancelling a development for a competition you haven't even qualified for yet would be utterly mental.

is it possible that we're so close to our FFP limit that losing the 5/6/7 million a year in gate receipts from that stand could give us problems in the next two years?  Even then, surely we'd be better off selling a player than cancelling a long-term redevelopment?

My suspicion is that our longer-term plans have changed - or are a bit up in the air - and no one wants to commit £100m to a project that might be looked at as a "mistake" in 5-10 years.  Whether they want to be more ambitious with the redevelopment of the whole stadium, or want to move to another stadium, who knows?

It surely.wasnt a coincidence that the announcement came so soon after that US company came on board.  If it's their area of expertise, maybe it was just a case of exploring options with them.before committing to.something pretty major.

The thought of having a stand knocked down during the 150th anniversary might have also been in the thinking.

[Sexual Ealing]

This is really happening, isn't it? As if it wasn't bad enough that people waste months of their lives on a game pretending to be a football manager, people are going to start pretending to be accountants. That's what's going to happen. FFP SOS FFS.

[edgysatsuma89]

This is really happening, isn't it? As if it wasn't bad enough that people waste months of their lives on a game pretending to be a football manager, people are going to start pretending to be accountants. That's what's going to happen. FFP SOS FFS.

I've started incorporating it into daily life. I think my mom's use of Christmas Puddings is some sort of amortisation shit.

[Villatillidie25]

This is really happening, isn't it? As if it wasn't bad enough that people waste months of their lives on a game pretending to be a football manager, people are going to start pretending to be accountants. That's what's going to happen. FFP SOS FFS.

You use the word "waste" far too liberally there. i'd prefer to say misguided youth that I occasionally dabble in as an adult .

[olaftab]

Holding off/cancelling a development for a competition you haven't even qualified for yet would be utterly mental.

Yup, totally nonsensical. Very much Ellisesque throwing an opportunity away at a crucial time.

[Villan82]

Holding off/cancelling a development for a competition you haven't even qualified for yet would be utterly mental.

Yup, totally nonsensical. Very much Ellisesque throwing an opportunity away at a crucial time.

We will rue that decision. One of those ones where your instincts tells you it was the wrong decision.