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[LeeB]

To be fair to the Jawdies, they were in a ridiculously tough group with two of the now semi finalists.

[pablo_picasso]

I don't get this effect on league form thing. We've done ok this season haven't we?

The matches may be more taxing in the Champions League but our manager recently won the Europa and then got to the Semis of the Champions League the following season.

We're in good hands.

But tbf, playing Devils advocate, we only really played a decent side when we faced Lille.

We have slowed down the pace of our European games because we could.

We wont get as many opportunities to do that if we qualify for the Champs League as almost all of the games we could face in the Champions League will be stronger than Lille.

[Risso]

If we do qualify for the Champions League then we've got the entire summer to plan for it. We'll have Mings, Kamara, Buendia and Ramsey to return, which is one third of a very good Champions League side, plus whatever new additions we bring in.

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If we do qualify for the Champions League then we've got the entire summer to plan for it. We'll have Mings, Kamara, Buendia and Ramsey to return, which is one third of a very good Champions League side, plus whatever new additions we bring in.

Exactly, and a whole season to reflect on how well we kept the ball against a Man City or an Arsenal, the knowledge we can qualify for the Champions League and also the taste of silverware. Huge mentality changes. Add in additional players better than what we have, the return of really good players and we'll be improved. If Liverpool, Arsenal or Man City don't vastly improve then we have a chance at something unbelievable.

[ChicagoLion]

I am looking forward to challenging for the Title, not winning it but being there or there abouts deep into the season.

[tomd2103]

Apparently three clubs voted against this spending cap move today - Man United, Man City and us.

Why would we be against that, I wonder?

https://x.com/K__AVFC/status/1784958583366389906?s=09

This thread explains why we may have voted against it.

In summary, PL teams can spend loads to get into Europe, but the ones in Europe already can't because of the UEFA FFP rules. So in theory, we're in Europe so can't spend next season. Newcastle, if they don't get in, can spend a shitload if cash without penalty for the season until they get in.

Makes it harder for us to stay  in Europe basically.

Ah, thanks.

Jesus, though, what a fucking shitshow this whole subject is.

Well exactly.  So let's say Newcastle didn't finish in a European spot, so they went out and spent up to the 85% Premier League limit.  They then had a good season and finished in a European spot, only to then be subject to the 70% UEFA rule the following season.

The increase in revenue would probably cover it.

Apologies in advance, but does the UEFA cap apply to all of their competitons?  Would the increase in revenue for being in the Europa or Conference League cover that? What is the timeframe to make up that revenue - would it have to be sorted for that next season?

Might have got this wrong, but let's say a club outside the European spots has a revenue of £210m, their 85% figure would be £178.5m and the 70% figure would be £147m wouldn't it?  So, if they qualified for Europe that next season they would have to increase revenue to £255m to maintain that figure of £178.5m at 70%, so an increase in revenue of £45m? 

Can't see how this doesn't do anything but protect the 'big clubs' who's enormous wage bills are already comfortably under that 70%?

[chrisw1]

I am looking forward to challenging for the Title, not winning it but being there or there abouts deep into the season.

Given what happened to Newcastle, I'd take remaining in the top 4, doing OK in the CL and ideally an FA cup run.  Solid progress, retaining our best players and evolving the squad.  If we can establish ourselves as a top 4-5 club over a few seasons we will start chipping away at that financial gap and world domination will inevitably follow.

[Drummond]

If we do qualify for the Champions League then we've got the entire summer to plan for it. We'll have Mings, Kamara, Buendia and Ramsey to return, which is one third of a very good Champions League side, plus whatever new additions we bring in.

Exactly, and a whole season to reflect on how well we kept the ball against a Man City or an Arsenal, the knowledge we can qualify for the Champions League and also the taste of silverware. Huge mentality changes. Add in additional players better than what we have, the return of really good players and we'll be improved. If Liverpool, Arsenal or Man City don't vastly improve then we have a chance at something unbelievable.

Yep, agreed, we'll already be far stronger next season without signing anyone.

[Risso]

Yep, agreed, we'll already be far stronger next season without signing anyone.

Obviously before three different players get ACL knack...

[Smithy]

I am looking forward to challenging for the Title, not winning it but being there or there abouts deep into the season.

Given what happened to Newcastle, I'd take remaining in the top 4, doing OK in the CL and ideally an FA cup run.  Solid progress, retaining our best players and evolving the squad.  If we can establish ourselves as a top 4-5 club over a few seasons we will start chipping away at that financial gap and world domination will inevitably follow.

That's how I see it.  I want a trophy, obviously, and would love to start with the Conference League this season, but our top 4 challenge has to become the 'norm' so we can establish ourselves in that group that is expected to challenge for the Champions League places every year. That doesn't happen after one year, so we'll probably need 3 or 4 seasons of regular European football and the top 4 challenges before we're considered by the footballing world to be "in that group", but this is an excellent start.

Come August, there will be eight teams with realistic ambitions of qualifying for the Champions League: Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool, us, Man United, Chelsea, Tottenham, and Newcastle. Those teams are our competition moving forward. The top third of the league. 

The main disadvantage we have is that the other 7 clubs have revenues far in excess of our own, so we need that first couple of years of regular European football to kick-start our catch-process on the commercial side.  I have confidence Unai can deliver it, if we can find a way to back him financially.

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Far too much comprising going on in the imaginations. I'm comprising nothing. When I roll into Manchester Airport at 4am next Tuesday, I want Top 4 secured and I want the semi-final a virtual dead rubber given the score we put on them Thursday night. Fucking comprising with and/or. We have a manager that's one of the literal best in the world that has been telling everybody to be demanding, we'll I've listened.

[Somniloquism]

I don't think being in the CL and getting knocked out early is the reason for Newcastle's poorer league form this season. I suggest it is not having as good a manager to get past the injuries they have had, and putting a big chunk of their summer spend into a player who would have took up Ron Saunders offer back in the day in a heartbeat.

As for Manure, again I definitely don't think it was playing CL that caused it.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

To increase our commercial revenue, at least short term, I wouldn't be against us selling the naming rights to Villa Park. In an ideal world we'd get sponsored by a company called Fortress - Fortress Villa Park has a certain ring to it.

Now guess who has a company called Fortress? None other than Wes Edens! Wes is the owner of the Fortress Investment Group. Go on, Wes, I dare you!

[Risso]

Ahem...

By the way, can we sell the naming rights to one of Wes's companies please, ie Fortress Investment group.

Fortress Villa Park for the win.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Ha! Great minds, Risso.