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Online Pete3206

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Re: FFP
« Reply #2235 on: April 04, 2024, 06:08:28 PM »
All I see here is a way for Man City to escape punishment.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #2236 on: April 04, 2024, 06:20:34 PM »
All I see here is a way for Man City to escape punishment.

This

Dont forget chelsea

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Re: FFP
« Reply #2237 on: April 04, 2024, 06:35:42 PM »
A lot of the consideration has to be transport links. As someone said earlier, if you had a site that was between two railway stations you wouldn't look anywhere else, but context is king - they don't get trains every five minutes like an underground or a suburban line. I think this would be the problem with a site like the NEC too; it has a railway station but the trains are nowhere near regular enough for sixty odd thousand people to come and go once a fortnight.

To the latter, I'd also add the multi-use aspect: any new stadium on the scale we envisage has to be bringing in gigs and events every summer at least. Would building next to the NEC hinder that? Would having a city centre stadium hinder that with the proximity of the NIA? Spuds bring in the NFL, Spam seem to have dibs on the baseball, is there anything left for Brum?

There are pros and cons to every possible location, but ultimately you just have to have a plan and faith it'll work out. I mean, we're the second city, we should act like it.

A 60,000 stadium would be three times the size of the NEC or NIA, so would be attracting a completely different level of artist or event. 

I have no idea about planning etc. but the NIA site would be a good one if you were going to build a stadium.  Close to town, but just far enough away from everything that you you would do very well on drinks and food. 

The whole Dale End area is a real eyesore now and that would be another good location if possible.

Too much of an incline plus not a big enough area now. The incline would mean we either have to build on pillars or dig down a fair bit to level it off. And as a fair bit of DE is being knocked down for the tramline to go through to meet Curzon and Digbeth, it cuts the land available down.
I'm definitely a remainer but if we had to move it has to be within a mile of VP. The old gasholders site in Avenue Rd is one possibility and I think there's room where Powerleague is on Lichfield Rd but neither would do anything to ease the current transport issues. How about a groundshare at Wheels Park? Quickly grabs tin hat.
« Last Edit: April 04, 2024, 06:41:27 PM by The Edge »

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Re: FFP
« Reply #2238 on: April 04, 2024, 06:41:43 PM »
All I see here is a way for Man City to escape punishment.

All I see here is a proposal that is being considered. One that suits Citeh and the Jaudis, and maybe Chelsea and Yanited. It will need more than them to be in favour of it.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #2239 on: April 04, 2024, 06:42:59 PM »
All I see here is a way for Man City to escape punishment.

This

Dont forget chelsea
But this was my point a couple weeks ago.  FFP wont stick because its not fit for purpose.  So lets not make a decisions based on that.

If we decide we need to leave Villa Park (And I hope we don't) - lets do it because we decide the club needs a different home for the next 100 years.  Rather than because we need to break a glass ceiling.

At the end of the day - the sky 6 will find other ways of trying to remove competition from their business plans.  So lets just focus on what were doing, and whats right for us for the next 100 years.  Long after the planet has run out of oil - people will still be going to watch the Villa.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #2240 on: April 04, 2024, 06:48:08 PM »
A lot of the consideration has to be transport links. As someone said earlier, if you had a site that was between two railway stations you wouldn't look anywhere else, but context is king - they don't get trains every five minutes like an underground or a suburban line. I think this would be the problem with a site like the NEC too; it has a railway station but the trains are nowhere near regular enough for sixty odd thousand people to come and go once a fortnight.

To the latter, I'd also add the multi-use aspect: any new stadium on the scale we envisage has to be bringing in gigs and events every summer at least. Would building next to the NEC hinder that? Would having a city centre stadium hinder that with the proximity of the NIA? Spuds bring in the NFL, Spam seem to have dibs on the baseball, is there anything left for Brum?

There are pros and cons to every possible location, but ultimately you just have to have a plan and faith it'll work out. I mean, we're the second city, we should act like it.

A 60,000 stadium would be three times the size of the NEC or NIA, so would be attracting a completely different level of artist or event. 

I have no idea about planning etc. but the NIA site would be a good one if you were going to build a stadium.  Close to town, but just far enough away from everything that you you would do very well on drinks and food. 

The whole Dale End area is a real eyesore now and that would be another good location if possible.

Too much of an incline plus not a big enough area now. The incline would mean we either have to build on pillars or dig down a fair bit to level it off. And as a fair bit of DE is being knocked down for the tramline to go through to meet Curzon and Digbeth, it cuts the land available down.
I'm definitely a remainer but if we had to move it has to be within a mile of VP. The old gasholders site in Avenue Rd is one possibility and I think there's room where Powerleague is on Lichfield Rd but neither would do anything to ease the current transport issues. How about a groundshare at Wheels Park? Quickly grabs tin hat.

The argument that keeps being put to me about why they need to leave Villa Park is that the area isn't going to cut it commercially. So presumably the same applies on your suggested site.

And Beard82, agree with you there. i have said that a few times also. The rules may not stay as they are but we will throw a billion at a new stadium rather than 100 million on a new stand just because of the current rules?



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Re: FFP
« Reply #2241 on: April 04, 2024, 07:35:15 PM »
https://twitter.com/PurelyFootball/status/1775870305010962928

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🚨 The Premier League is considering REMOVING points deductions and introducing an NBA-style 'luxury tax' due to concerns that top players might leave if their pay is restricted.

The 'luxury tax' would penalise clubs financially for overspending, with the penalty increasing based on their spending. Clubs in theory could still choose to spend freely if they prefer but with the knowledge of taking another financial hit.

The tax could then be distributed to the other Premier League clubs who stayed within the rules.

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@MikeKeegan_DM)


The Greedy6 have seen the tide of points deductions rising up the table and have, no doubt seen what the future holds for them - 115City in particular; and have tried to come up with an alternative that "works" for them.

Their thought process:

We've got oodles of cash and wealthy owners. Points deductions could push us out of the Chumps League, or even worse and that would be a bummer - prize money, TV money, sponsorships would alll be at risk.

Imposing financial restrictions would affect everybody, but we can more easily afford to pay any "fine" than those at the bottom as well as aspiring clubs such as Villa, Toon and even Spurs. This will reinforce even further our financial advantage.

This the way to go chaps. We need to stop anyone else challenging us.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #2242 on: April 04, 2024, 07:59:42 PM »
Playing devil's advocate, if our owners are as fabulously rich as we keep saying they are, we ought to be among those thinking this is a decent compromise.

Personally, I hate it. It's a sop to the cheats and wannabe cheats, and another step to a closed shop.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #2243 on: April 04, 2024, 08:31:14 PM »
All I see here is a way for Man City to escape punishment.

I think the charges are not just FFP related.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #2244 on: April 04, 2024, 10:46:08 PM »
This isn’t he worst compromise as long Man City get a fucking big penalty for what they did. That should be a huge fine, points deduction as it happened in the past across many years and transfer embargo for at least 4 windows.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #2245 on: April 04, 2024, 11:02:28 PM »
Ban and banish Citeh for what they've already done.

Bring this in after.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #2246 on: April 05, 2024, 09:31:23 AM »
I don't see why this should affect ManC's 115 charges. The offences will have occurred before these potential changes (if they come into effect), so they should come under the previous punishments.

Surely?

And then I laugh at myself for thinking that football will be treat all clubs equally...

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Re: FFP
« Reply #2247 on: April 05, 2024, 09:38:46 AM »
Whatever deal is done will be to placate Manure and Lpool.
They are not going to stand by and watch Citeh buy title after title.
This has been clear for some time now.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #2248 on: April 05, 2024, 09:39:31 AM »

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Re: FFP
« Reply #2249 on: April 05, 2024, 09:46:48 AM »
Posted via McGuire…. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/32eb6707-60d7-4ad8-bb46-fd05d73dcb25?shareToken=9fde931b63b21423cf4f7078c55cc323
Wasn’t behind a paywall for me.

Better for me. Im in favour of wage cap and i personally wouldnt care if it meant english foitball suffered in europe. Would certainly make the english league for entertaining to watch

 


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