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Offline Risso

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Re: FFP
« Reply #1770 on: March 18, 2024, 12:02:24 PM »
There must be 15 acres we could get in the whole area of Digbeth/Deritend/south of Highgate Park? Everywhere round there seems to be full of ratty warehouses, a lot of which seem empty. It's surely easier dealing with a few businesses than trying to use CPOs for housing around Villa Park?

The traffic around there would be murder on matchday, it's terrible at the best of times. I had the misfortune to be passing at about 2pm on Saturday with them at home and it was choc-a-block with their piss poor gates.

But round there surely the need to drive would be greatly reduced? Obviously depending where, but you're a 10-15 minute walk from Moor Street and therefore not much further to New Street. I'd love to be able to get the train if it was easier to get to the ground once you were in Brum.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #1771 on: March 18, 2024, 12:02:52 PM »
How about the land between Duddeston Mill Road and Nechells Parkway. Near a station. Easy to run buses into town as well. Decent run out to the M6

People might say 'too near the rags' but it's historically in the manor of Aston.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #1772 on: March 18, 2024, 12:03:40 PM »
There must be 15 acres we could get in the whole area of Digbeth/Deritend/south of Highgate Park? Everywhere round there seems to be full of ratty warehouses, a lot of which seem empty. It's surely easier dealing with a few businesses than trying to use CPOs for housing around Villa Park?
Why would we want to put our stadium slap bang in nose  terrortory !!
« Last Edit: March 18, 2024, 12:05:57 PM by langleylions »

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Re: FFP
« Reply #1773 on: March 18, 2024, 12:05:38 PM »
There must be 15 acres we could get in the whole area of Digbeth/Deritend/south of Highgate Park? Everywhere round there seems to be full of ratty warehouses, a lot of which seem empty. It's surely easier dealing with a few businesses than trying to use CPOs for housing around Villa Park?
Why would we want to put our stadium slap bang in nose shithole

House!

Offline Risso

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Re: FFP
« Reply #1774 on: March 18, 2024, 12:15:01 PM »
There must be 15 acres we could get in the whole area of Digbeth/Deritend/south of Highgate Park? Everywhere round there seems to be full of ratty warehouses, a lot of which seem empty. It's surely easier dealing with a few businesses than trying to use CPOs for housing around Villa Park?
Why would we want to put our stadium slap bang in nose  terrortory !!

Anything inside the ring road is city centre as far as I'm concerned, and we're Aston Villa, we build where we want.

Offline Brazilian Villain

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Re: FFP
« Reply #1775 on: March 18, 2024, 12:17:54 PM »
I just imagine us in a new stadium in 10 years time and if things haven't worked out and world domination hasn't resulted and we look back and think maybe we should have stuck with the plan.

Yes, that would be my fear as well. There's no guarantee that moving would vastly improve things on the pitch, and we might have given up an integral part of our identity and history in an ill-fated attempt to join the "elite". Yanited fans are discussing something similar atm i.e. whether to move from Old Trafford or not, and one of the first responses summed it for me.

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Arsenal's stadium was considered among the best stadium's in the world less than 20 years ago now it's a shithole*. You can't build character, let the new stadium nonces go and try the cheeseboard at Tottenham's stadium

*Not a shithole, but I wasn't overly impressed with it, and it has already been superseded by the Spurs ground.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #1776 on: March 18, 2024, 12:18:06 PM »
Something in or close to the city centre would be brilliant for the club and the city as a whole. You only have to go to Newcastle to see the heaving bars and restaurants before and after  their home games to see how beneficial it would be.

Sorry, I couldn't care less if it benefits the city as a whole, and have ZERO interest in moving from Villa Park.

Offline PeterWithesShin

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Re: FFP
« Reply #1777 on: March 18, 2024, 12:25:45 PM »
New build stadiums have an estimated lifespan of approx 25-40 years without significant ongoing upgrades, so although we will generally still think of it as new, Arsenal's stadium is starting to approach that so will look more tired than the Spurs and Everton grounds.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #1778 on: March 18, 2024, 12:27:24 PM »
On a scale of 1-10, with 10 being dead against moving from Villa Park, I have always been a 10.

I am probably a 5 now which leaves me wondering if there is some dark arts and subliminal messaging going on from certain quarters in the club!

I’m an 11

Always will be

Villa Park is Aston Villa
Aston Villa is Villa Park
I've always felt the same.  But there will be plenty of Arsenal fans who wanted to stay at Highbury, Man City fans who wanted to stay at Maine Road and even West Ham fans who probably accept that as shite as London Stadium is, it has helped propel them upwards massively in terms on income and likely future success.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #1779 on: March 18, 2024, 12:27:53 PM »
I just imagine us in a new stadium in 10 years time and if things haven't worked out and world domination hasn't resulted and we look back and think maybe we should have stuck with the plan.

Yes, that would be my fear as well. There's no guarantee that moving would vastly improve things on the pitch, and we might have given up an integral part of our identity and history in an ill-fated attempt to join the "elite". Yanited fans are discussing something similar atm i.e. whether to move from Old Trafford or not, and one of the first responses summed it for me.

Quote from: Yanited fan
Arsenal's stadium was considered among the best stadium's in the world less than 20 years ago now it's a shithole*. You can't build character, let the new stadium nonces go and try the cheeseboard at Tottenham's stadium

*Not a shithole, but I wasn't overly impressed with it, and it has already been superseded by the Spurs ground.

Ratty's plans are to build in the general area of Trafford, but not on the exact same spot which is very similar to what Arsenal did. And isn't Old Trafford falling apart now if he wanted to talk Shitholes......

Offline luke95

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Re: FFP
« Reply #1780 on: March 18, 2024, 12:29:09 PM »
On a scale of 1-10, with 10 being dead against moving from Villa Park, I have always been a 10.

I am probably a 5 now which leaves me wondering if there is some dark arts and subliminal messaging going on from certain quarters in the club!

I’m an 11

Always will be

Villa Park is Aston Villa
Aston Villa is Villa Park

This for me too.
I'd accept a couple of seasons away at a revamped Alex while New Villa Park be built. But if we moved out completely I think I'd stop going & I don't think I'd be the only one.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #1781 on: March 18, 2024, 12:31:30 PM »
Ratty's plans are to build in the general area of Trafford, but not on the exact same spot which is very similar to what Arsenal did. And isn't Old Trafford falling apart now if he wanted to talk Shitholes......

Most Yanited fans would acknowledge Old Trafford is in a very poor state, but many would still rather redevelop their historic home than move to a new stadium (even if it's in the area). Can't say I blame them.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #1782 on: March 18, 2024, 12:36:23 PM »
The Alex will be the venue in 2026 for Britain's first ever hosting of the European Athletics Championships.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #1783 on: March 18, 2024, 12:37:46 PM »
How about the land between Duddeston Mill Road and Nechells Parkway. Near a station. Easy to run buses into town as well. Decent run out to the M6
It'd be an interesting choice.  Presumably Duddeston station could be pushed back up to 4 platforms too, so it's not completely beyond the realms of possibility to have a shuttle service to New St that wouldn't interfere too much with the regular service.  And you could imagine a walking route to the HS2 terminus too (and consequently both the trams & the rest of the city centre).

I could see it working as a plot.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #1784 on: March 18, 2024, 12:40:56 PM »
Ratty's plans are to build in the general area of Trafford, but not on the exact same spot which is very similar to what Arsenal did. And isn't Old Trafford falling apart now if he wanted to talk Shitholes......

Most Yanited fans would acknowledge Old Trafford is in a very poor state, but many would still rather redevelop their historic home than move to a new stadium (even if it's in the area). Can't say I blame them.

The trouble is they are in the same boat we are that the surrounding land doesn't give much options in expanding further. The canal and railway pinch off three sides and then what looks like a very busy freight terminal further up. So they would either have to "do a Spurs" and play elsewhere for two seasons whilst a new ground is built on part of the old ones foot print, rebuild a stand at a time with the loss of spectators that will now bring, or build elsewhere and move across.

 


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