Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.

[AV82EC]

 I suppose the question NSWE will ask themselves is for that half billion is it good enough to have moved from a starting baseline of HMRC winding up the club and finishing 13th in the championship  to being mid table in the Premier League and having a viable FFP compliant football club. Personally I’d say it’s about par but with a bit more luck/judgement it could have been more. The Manager of course is a key player in that journey, I think there are things he could have done better and he is still learning but like others now we’ve reached the stable position in the PL he needs to show he has learnt and starts to deliver. For me that’s an improvement in league position and being competitive with the teams from 5th to 10th. Deliver on that and he’ll still be here.

I also think it needs to be pointed out that £250m of that half billion has come from TV and media rights not from NSWE.

[RamboandBruno]

Seems like we are happy to get anyone out of the door either for loans or international duty

The fact we have let Martinez leave for 3 games plus any potential covid delays without bringing in another Goalkeeper is a disgrace.

I think the blu tacks come off the back of your Troy Deeney poster mate, best get along now and stick it back up

[Drummond]

I suppose the question NSWE will ask themselves is for that half billion is it good enough to have moved from a starting baseline of HMRC winding up the club and finishing 13th in the championship  to being mid table in the Premier League and having a viable FFP compliant football club. Personally I’d say it’s about par but with a bit more luck/judgement it could have been more. The Manager of course is a key player in that journey, I think there are things he could have done better and he is still learning but like others now we’ve reached the stable position in the PL he needs to show he has learnt and starts to deliver. For me that’s an improvement in league position and being competitive with the teams from 5th to 10th. Deliver on that and he’ll still be here.

I also think it needs to be pointed out that £250m of that half billion has come from TV and media rights not from NSWE.

Yep, with last season's start, we'd started to expect more. The finish was disappointing. This season we should be more stable and less reliant on one or two players. I'd expect us to do better than last season. I think we absolutely should be pushing for a few places improvement on the league,given what we've spent in the summer.

We've not got a world class player in there yet, but we've acquired some real quality.

[Three Spires Villa]

Seems like we are happy to get anyone out of the door either for loans or international duty

The fact we have let Martinez leave for 3 games plus any potential covid delays without bringing in another Goalkeeper is a disgrace.

I think the blu tacks come off the back of your Troy Deeney poster mate, best get along now and stick it back up

That's harsh, just because says something you don't like! I think he makes a fair point, does that make a blue nose? Bloody hell!

[ozzjim]

The blue nose calling at posters that have a negative view on things gets a bit tiresome.

[Drummond]

The blue nose calling at posters that have a negative view on things gets a bit tiresome.

Alright Blozzjim. Calm down 😉

[chrisw1]

According to transfermkt:

21/22  in £89.84    out  £114.30
20/21  in £91.22    out  £2.49
19/20  in £143.55  out  £2.70

Total    in £324.61  out £119.49

This doesn't include loans or wages - eg Axel loan fee £5.00; Barkley loan fee £11.00m, Reina, Drinkwater

So we're prob talking c£340m spent.  I'm not sure it's reasonable to add wages because every club pays wages and I'd guess ours are no more than average for the PL.

I'm not trying to make any particular point here, but I guess I'd say that nothwithstanding the weakness of the promoted squad there probably isn't another promoted team that has come close to this spend in the history of the PL, so whilst a midtable finish was solid progress, it's hardly spectacular.

[Monty]

The blue nose calling at posters that have a negative view on things gets a bit tiresome.

And it might be inaccurate, but let's be fair ozz, you and I and Risso have negative views sometimes but I don't think we've ever been accused of blousery. Fred gets it because he's so ludicrous and self-parodic.

[Drummond]

The blue nose calling at posters that have a negative view on things gets a bit tiresome.

And it might be inaccurate, but let's be fair ozz, you and I and Risso have negative views sometimes but I don't think we've ever been accused of blousery. Fred gets it because he's so ludicrous and self-parodic.

Haha

[brontebilly]

According to transfermkt:

21/22  in £89.84    out  £114.30
20/21  in £91.22    out  £2.49
19/20  in £143.55  out  £2.70

Total    in £324.61  out £119.49

This doesn't include loans or wages - eg Axel loan fee £5.00; Barkley loan fee £11.00m, Reina, Drinkwater

So we're prob talking c£340m spent.  I'm not sure it's reasonable to add wages because every club pays wages and I'd guess ours are no more than average for the PL.

I'm not trying to make any particular point here, but I guess I'd say that nothwithstanding the weakness of the promoted squad there probably isn't another promoted team that has come close to this spend in the history of the PL, so whilst a midtable finish was solid progress, it's hardly spectacular.

Did we really pay Chelsea 11m for Barkley??

[chrisw1]

According to Google. I suspect it may have included wages, but I didn't delve too deeply.

[Vegas]

According to transfermkt:

21/22  in £89.84    out  £114.30
20/21  in £91.22    out  £2.49
19/20  in £143.55  out  £2.70

Total    in £324.61  out £119.49

This doesn't include loans or wages - eg Axel loan fee £5.00; Barkley loan fee £11.00m, Reina, Drinkwater

So we're prob talking c£340m spent.  I'm not sure it's reasonable to add wages because every club pays wages and I'd guess ours are no more than average for the PL.

I'm not trying to make any particular point here, but I guess I'd say that nothwithstanding the weakness of the promoted squad there probably isn't another promoted team that has come close to this spend in the history of the PL, so whilst a midtable finish was solid progress, it's hardly spectacular.

I don’t think that’s entirely fair. More than most teams who come up, we had to replace a fair number of loan players just to stand still. I.e. the first £50m or so was just to maintain (literally in Mings’ case) a team that came 5th in the Championship.

The £50m is obviously arbitrary but I think probably right  ballpark. If you accept that, we’ve spent about £150m net on a 5th place championship team. I’m not saying that this is miracle, fairytale stuff from Dean but I personally think it’s a good return, more than just what is expected.

[chrisw1]

People forget that we chose to let go of half the promotion squad.  The likes of Whelan, Adomah, Chester, Elphick, Jedinak, Green and Hutton would gladly have stayed.  We chose to put ourselves in the position where we needed to sign so many players.  I'm not making a case that we should have kept any of them but not all promoted clubs have that luxury.

The only ones we paid to keep were Mings, ElGhazi & Hause - £30m.

[john e]

Deans 3 seasons imo

1st season - 10/10 couldn’t ask for anything more superb season or 3/4 of a season and we’re out the championship

2nd season - poor football, scrambling about on the last day of the season hoping other results go our way I don’t think that’s overachieving, I thought it was a disappointing season
And I’m not alone as The majority on here wanted him gone with five or six games to go so don’t pretend otherwise

3rd season - first half best football I’ve seen at Villa Park for a decade, it’s all coming together Europe here we come
Absolutely buzzing my head off

second half The wheels drop off, Grealish gets injured no one knows what’s going on Football turns to tripe
End up bottom half which for me was an underachieving season

4th season - Who knows ?

[sickbeggar]

According to transfermkt:

21/22  in £89.84    out  £114.30
20/21  in £91.22    out  £2.49
19/20  in £143.55  out  £2.70

Total    in £324.61  out £119.49

This doesn't include loans or wages - eg Axel loan fee £5.00; Barkley loan fee £11.00m, Reina, Drinkwater

So we're prob talking c£340m spent.  I'm not sure it's reasonable to add wages because every club pays wages and I'd guess ours are no more than average for the PL.

I'm not trying to make any particular point here, but I guess I'd say that nothwithstanding the weakness of the promoted squad there probably isn't another promoted team that has come close to this spend in the history of the PL, so whilst a midtable finish was solid progress, it's hardly spectacular.

yeah but its a big notwithstanding really. That's team would have got mullured week in week out in the premier, and it was miracle it came up really.  You've basically got Ratboy, Mings ,Mcginn and maybe El Ghazi who have proven to be established premiership level players. Of the rest, you've got, Hause Steer, Elmo and Hourihane who looked adequate reserve players so that money spent in 19/20 had to get us 7 first team players and 6 reserves (based on current squad size of 21). That's about 11m per player or basically like trying to buy 8 players for what we spent on Buendia, Ings and Bailey.