Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.

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I recall Steve bruce saying that the transfer system had changed and the player met the club and did the personal terms and medical before the bid was accepted as the two clubs needed to discuss whether the player was available.  Maybe, bidding still happens but I thought Bruce said it was a bit old fashioned. 

We've probably told his agent what we would pay him if he joined. He's still not signed a new contract with them (Tierney's was done quite quickly) so presumably they're still nowhere near what we're offering to pay him. I have read comments from ESR saying how Jack is one of his favourite players so maybe the idea of playing alongside him appeals too. We must have been given incentive that a deal can be done though. 

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You don't speculatively bid. I assume an agent if the club meets the agent of the player, suggests a proposal and a package. If the player and his team are interested, a bid follows.

At first I thought we were being used as a stalking horse to quicken negotiations on a new contract, but there seems to be more in it than that.

[darren woolley]

It would be great if we sign ESR.

[N'ZMAV]

You don't speculatively bid. I assume an agent if the club meets the agent of the player, suggests a proposal and a package. If the player and his team are interested, a bid follows.

At first I thought we were being used as a stalking horse to quicken negotiations on a new contract, but there seems to be more in it than that.

agreed - if there wasn't some sort of encouragement I imagine we'd be looking elsewhere....

[Hockley Lion]

You don't speculatively bid. I assume an agent if the club meets the agent of the player, suggests a proposal and a package. If the player and his team are interested, a bid follows.

At first I thought we were being used as a stalking horse to quicken negotiations on a new contract, but there seems to be more in it than that.

agreed - if there wasn't some sort of encouragement I imagine we'd be looking elsewhere....

And would it be fair to hypothesis that ESR, given his admiration for Jack wouldn't be considering the move if...?

[Percy McCarthy]

You don't speculatively bid. I assume an agent if the club meets the agent of the player, suggests a proposal and a package. If the player and his team are interested, a bid follows.

At first I thought we were being used as a stalking horse to quicken negotiations on a new contract, but there seems to be more in it than that.

agreed - if there wasn't some sort of encouragement I imagine we'd be looking elsewhere....

And would it be fair to hypothesis that ESR, given his admiration for Jack wouldn't be considering the move if...?

Fingers crossed.

[Lsvilla]

You don't speculatively bid. I assume an agent if the club meets the agent of the player, suggests a proposal and a package. If the player and his team are interested, a bid follows.

At first I thought we were being used as a stalking horse to quicken negotiations on a new contract, but there seems to be more in it than that.

agreed - if there wasn't some sort of encouragement I imagine we'd be looking elsewhere....

And would it be fair to hypothesis that ESR, given his admiration for Jack wouldn't be considering the move if...?

Fingers crossed.

I see it that way too. Jack signing a new contract to confirm to ESR and JWP that they’ll both be playing with him and not instead of him and activity starts. Like it or not Arsenal need cash and I would imagine we’re one of a very small number that can pay cash up front to get things done.

[Dante Lavelli]

Whilst I love the statement I am not sure it is where I’d be spending the money.  Presumably the missing DCM was/is involved at the Euros so inappropriate to bidding whilst on international duty.

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Midfield options are:

8: McGinn, Sanson
6: Luiz, Marv
10: Jack, Emi, Chuck

Given Emi and Jack will likely play wide, there is definitely room for another 10. I wouldn't mind upgrading that quality in 6, as Dougie is still young and won't be playing till September you'd assume.

That said, it's more to control possession and territory rather than shield the back 4 where we need to improve rather than stopping goals, as we were decent defensively.

[tomd2103]

Whilst I love the statement I am not sure it is where I’d be spending the money.  Presumably the missing DCM was/is involved at the Euros so inappropriate to bidding whilst on international duty.

Probably see him play on Wednesday night, but rumours are that Thomas Delaney might be moving from Dortmund this summer.  He is 29, so might not fit the age profile we have been looking at, but he has plenty of international and top flight experience.

[paul_e]

Midfield options are:

8: McGinn, Sanson
6: Luiz, Marv
10: Jack, Emi, Chuck

Given Emi and Jack will likely play wide, there is definitely room for another 10. I wouldn't mind upgrading that quality in 6, as Dougie is still young and won't be playing till September you'd assume.

That said, it's more to control possession and territory rather than shield the back 4 where we need to improve rather than stopping goals, as we were decent defensively.

I agree but I don't think Luiz should be a 6, he's better playing a bit further forward for me. Ramsey is an 8 as well. So no senior 10 where it's their main position and only Marv as an out and out 6 in the squad.

[Dante Lavelli]

Midfield options are:

8: McGinn, Sanson
6: Luiz, Marv
10: Jack, Emi, Chuck

Given Emi and Jack will likely play wide, there is definitely room for another 10. I wouldn't mind upgrading that quality in 6, as Dougie is still young and won't be playing till September you'd assume.

That said, it's more to control possession and territory rather than shield the back 4 where we need to improve rather than stopping goals, as we were decent defensively.

I agree but I don't think Luiz should be a 6, he's better playing a bit further forward for me. Ramsey is an 8 as well. So no senior 10 where it's their main position and only Marv as an out and out 6 in the squad.

I also think that if you have a 10 then a 6 is vital. 

Three 8s might be a more pragmatic solution - a la Liverpool - as the squad will be less disrupted if/when injuries occur as ‘generalists’ are more plentiful in supply (Sanson and Ramsey for example).

[N'ZMAV]

get in a decent 6 - Luiz can be competition for the 8 - and we get in a 10, or another wide player.

[Richard E]

Surely if one of the options is three 8s then the other option has to be a 10 and a 14?

[Pat Mustard]

I presume with ESR that we have had some contact and made it clear we are prepared to pay him significantly more that Arsenal are offering him. It’s then a question of whether Arsenal will match it - presumably if not then they will sell him, or risk losing him for peanuts in 12 months time when we can potentially offer him even more money if there is a much smaller fee. Worst case scenario for us is that Arsenal eventually cough up enough to keep him, which could then rule them out of signing someone in addition and strengthening their squad.

That’s the other thing with having owners like ours - it’s not just the players we sign, but what we can force potential rivals to do. It’s also why I’m confident Jack is going nowhere this summer. The only club who could seriously afford him are Man City, but a new centre-forward has to be their priority. If they have to cough up £150 million for Kane then there is absolutely zero chance they are spending a similar amount on Jack which is what it would take to get to the table. FFP might have been relaxed, but they simply won’t be able to spend that kind of money without every other top club in Europe kicking off massively over it.