Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.

[Holy Trinity]

I think the denial that Jack is likely to leave is also colouring a lot of the views on Tammy. For me, I think he's out the door.

What makes you think he's off though? The fact talk sports said the deal had been done or am I missing something? Without jack I think we would change formation anyway and go more 41212 or 4222. I hope jack never leaves but he wouldn't be the first or the last superstar level player we have had and lost.

Edited I missed the word never out oops

[cdbearsfan]

I think it's unlikely, but no point in stressing about it and pouring scorn on any potential signings we may make as a result. Come on mate, you're normally a fairly level-headed sort, don't go onto the hysterical wing of our fandom with the Goldies of this world.

Three years ago we were worried that we might have to support FC Villa of Aston in the Midland Combination. Now we are the biggest spending club on Earth and being linked with megastars from Arsenal to Argentina. Whatever happens with Grealish, and there is no reason to assume he's off at the moment, it's still a good time to be alive. Live a little.

[frank black]

I think the denial that Jack is likely to leave is also colouring a lot of the views on Tammy. For me, I think he's out the door.

What makes you think he's off though? The fact talk sports said the deal had been done or am I missing something? Without jack I think we would change formation anyway and go more 41212 or 4222. I hope jack leaves but he wouldn't be the first or the last superstar level player we have had and lost.

He may be the best player we’ve ever had…time will tell

[paul_e]

I disagree with you on that Monty, I don't think anyone knows what he's going to do (including Jack) and I think that plays to our advantage because I'd be surprised if he kicked up a stink if we told him to wait for another year and decide after the world cup.

For me, as i've said many times now, there's a clear gap in midfield where we need to bring in someone who can get their hands dirty and not let teams bully us, Locatelli was my favourite option before the tournament started and he's shown exactly how good he is and I really like the look of Pape Sarr who was linked a couple of weeks back. Once that position is filled I'm happy for us to look at a forward but I'd still prefer someone a bit more versatile.

[Monty]

The fact that the Athletic say we want £100m and Percy says City will offer £100m. That and us finishing 11th and them finishing 1st, his admiration for De Bruyne, his comments while away with England ('we don't have good set piece takers at Villa', 'I'm 25 I'm not young anymore', don't have to be a genius to see what's on his mind), and just general logic and probability. I think he's going.

As for pouring scorn, my attitude to Tammy is similar to if we decided to spend £30m on Dean Henderson. I don't doubt he's pretty good, I just wouldn't see the point priority-wise.

[Holy Trinity]

I think the denial that Jack is likely to leave is also colouring a lot of the views on Tammy. For me, I think he's out the door.

What makes you think he's off though? The fact talk sports said the deal had been done or am I missing something? Without jack I think we would change formation anyway and go more 41212 or 4222. I hope jack leaves but he wouldn't be the first or the last superstar level player we have had and lost.

He may be the best player we’ve ever had…time will tell

I think he probably is the best player we've ever had or at least developed ourselves but a glance at the work the academy are doing and the things my mate tells me they are working on and trying to grow excite me. Churning out a grealish every 90 years is a thing of the past and the highly aggressive recruitment strategy for the youth teams should pay dividend in a few years time when Chucky is off to Juventus for 120 million and Louis Barry is a balondor contender and classed as the English Messi haha

[cdbearsfan]

Because we only have one top class striker and we virtually never come back to win games when the opposition take the lead. All the best clubs have at least two decent strikers. I think with those comments you're putting two and two together and making twenty-seven to be honest.

[Monty]

And yet evidence for him staying is a throwaway comment as he struggles to think of things to say about Francesco Totti when some slightly embarrassing Gazzetta journo puts him on the spot? Anyway it's hardly the core of the case for him going.

As for two top class strikers, I'd rather spend £40m on a less limited player. That's all.

[SamTheMouse]

And yet evidence for him staying is a throwaway comment as he struggles to think of things to say about Francesco Totti when some slightly embarrassing Gazzetta journo puts him on the spot? Anyway it's hardly the core of the case for him going.

As for two top class strikers, I'd rather spend £40m on a less limited player. That's all.

Yup.

[cdbearsfan]

The idea that saying he likes Totti means he's staying is no more ridiculous than saying he's leaving because he likes De Bruyne.

[Holy Trinity]

And yet evidence for him staying is a throwaway comment as he struggles to think of things to say about Francesco Totti when some slightly embarrassing Gazzetta journo puts him on the spot? Anyway it's hardly the core of the case for him going.

As for two top class strikers, I'd rather spend £40m on a less limited player. That's all.

I do agree with your early comment about a striker not being a priority. But I dont think it's an either or scenario. I think a striker, mid & center back will arrive and I think 2 of them will be this coming week.

Young can cover both flanks and we have kesler, hause & konsa who can also play rb, lb & rb respectively.
Wingers we have to many and unless we are going to sell el ghazi(unlikely whilst trez is out) Barry will get games this coming season.
Strikers, we have ollie, the young Emily hesky who may or may not turn out to be handy after a loan and big wes who may or may not be finished after his injury. We just can't chance it. We need someone in. Alverez would be fantastic but my worry is what did he say or do that he got us using a company to background check him (allegedly)

We are in a very rare position for us where even if Jack goes I think we can finish top 10. 3 years ago without jack we were barrelling towards league 1

[cdbearsfan]

And we spent thirty odd million on a striker from the Championship. Forty million for a player who scored more goals at that level and has averaged a goal every 128 minutes in the Premier League seems far from unreasonable. Especially as, you know, we are rich. We've broken our transfer record for a striker two summers running, we still signed lots of other players. Signing Abraham wouldn't mean we couldn't invest in other areas... as we already have done.

[PaulWinch again]

And we spent thirty odd million on a striker from the Championship. Forty million for a player who scored more goals at that level and has averaged a goal every 128 minutes in the Premier League seems far from unreasonable. Especially as, you know, we are rich. We've broken our transfer record for a striker two summers running, we still signed lots of other players. Signing Abraham wouldn't mean we couldn't invest in other areas... as we already have done.

Yup and I don’t think it means shoving Ollie out wide, unless it’s say when it’s the last 10 mins of a game that we’re chasing. I think it’s about building a strong squad.

[cdbearsfan]

Yeah. We already have a top six first team. We need a top six squad.

[Monty]

Well, it depends on a) your assessment of Tammy, and b) your assessment of our squad and how much we have to spend on it. I don't see the value in Tammy unless you plan to start him as your first-choice 9 and play a style that suits him, neither of which we'd be doing. I'd prefer another striker who really can also play wide, a Mane type, who could sit on the bench, swap in for Ollie or play wide with Ollie. For me that's the hole in the squad, and without nostalgia I don't think many on here would be suggesting Tammy.