Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.

[Holy Trinity]

If tammy can give us 10 goals of the bench as opposed to Davis's 1 a season then I'm all for it. He could also grow into the first team and we could use a fluid front 3 all interchanging with each other as tevez, roony & ronny used too.

Tammy, smith row, center mid and young defender and that would have been a fantastic window beyond my wildest dreams. Especially with what we have already signed and if we keep Jack and John.

Also let's not forget Luke chadwick Darren fletcher, Phil bardsley, djemba djemba, Anderson etc were all essentially shit yet all won titles and trophies and tammy is better than the lot of them

[john e]

If tammy can give us 10 goals of the bench as opposed to Davis's 1 a season then I'm all for it. He could also grow into the first team and we could use a fluid front 3 all interchanging with each other as tevez, roony & ronny used too.

Tammy, smith row, center mid and young defender and that would have been a fantastic window beyond my wildest dreams. Especially with what we have already signed and if we keep Jack and John.

Also let's not forget Luke chadwick Darren fletcher, Phil bardsley, djemba djemba, Anderson etc were all essentially shit yet all won titles and trophies and tammy is better than the lot of them

Goals of the bench 
Grow into the side 

he’ll cost 40 million quid

[Holy Trinity]

If tammy can give us 10 goals of the bench as opposed to Davis's 1 a season then I'm all for it. He could also grow into the first team and we could use a fluid front 3 all interchanging with each other as tevez, roony & ronny used too.

Tammy, smith row, center mid and young defender and that would have been a fantastic window beyond my wildest dreams. Especially with what we have already signed and if we keep Jack and John.

Also let's not forget Luke chadwick Darren fletcher, Phil bardsley, djemba djemba, Anderson etc were all essentially shit yet all won titles and trophies and tammy is better than the lot of them

Goals of the bench 
Grow into the side 

he’ll cost 40 million quid

40 million is the new 10 million and we need to realise that now. We actually have money to spend. City spend 70 million for bench players. Ferrari torres cost a bomb as well and doesn't start. It's unfortunately the way the game has gone. Joelinton cost Newcastle North of 30-35 didn't he? Wouldn't make our youth team.

[Monty]

OK 9 goals is harsh, but you can imagine him having a season where he totals that in a middling team before you imagine him as a proper elite striker in my view. And as for him forming part of some sort of fluid anything, my memory is of a first touch that makes Ollie's look like Baggio, dribbling for which the kind word might be 'laboured', and basically no interest in passing in the manner of an actual wing-forward.

He's a perfectly good penalty box striker in another system. When Everton sell Calvert-Lewin to go sit on Man Utd's bench, he'll find a lovely niche there (I think he'll probably end up having a better career than Calvert-Lewin). Palace if he's less lucky. But not a dynamic, front-foot, press you to death Villa side looking to get into the top four, and certainly not for £40m - the same price, lest we forget, as Emi Buendia.

[cdbearsfan]

Based on transfer fees, Man City's bench in their last game cost about £300 million. If we are going to get to their level we will have to have hugely expensive players not even guaranteed a starting place. Why not start now? Abraham has an excellent scoring record for Chelsea since returning from his loan spell, and had a brilliant goal rate for us, too. The idea that he doesn't is just bizarre revisionism.

[Skerra]

Problem is, why would Tammy want to exchange one bench for another. That doesn’t make sense plus, he is already a good enough player to start matches.

[Toronto Villa]

Based on transfer fees, Man City's bench in their last game cost about £300 million. If we are going to get to their level we will have to have hugely expensive players not even guaranteed a starting place. Why not start now? Abraham has an excellent scoring record for Chelsea since returning from his loan spell, and had a brilliant goal rate for us, too. The idea that he doesn't is just bizarre revisionism.

Yes agreed. To be a top 4 side we cannot just think of the starting XI. We need to have players on the bench that could start at any time because the drop off in quality isn’t as steep as we have now. Ronaldo was on the bench for Man U under Ferguson despite his incredible record. And if we aspire to be back in European competition then we need to have a deep bench to deal with the extra games. Wesley and Davis it Ollie is hurt is a terrible proposition. We got really lucky last year with Ollie playing all but one league game. That’s tempting fate to just go with that next season.

[cdbearsfan]

Problem is, why would Tammy want to exchange one bench for another. That doesn’t make sense plus, he is already a good enough player to start matches.

I'll confess, this puzzling me, too.

[Monty]

If we already had a top six starting eleven, the key component of which didn't look like leaving, I would understand £40m on an off-the-bench poacher type, even if he wasn't a starter in the minds of most. The fact is we have a lot of work to do on the team this summer even if Jack stays, and while we're officially Fackin' Minted M8, we still don't have infinite money and I just think there are better solutions and other priorities.

[TelfordVilla]

Sitting on Chelsea's bench with no chance of being a starter is different to being the rotation striker at Villa.

[paul_e]

Problem is, why would Tammy want to exchange one bench for another. That doesn’t make sense plus, he is already a good enough player to start matches.

I'll confess, this puzzling me, too.

This is the key for me, we're not paying £40m for him to sit on the bench so if he comes in we move Ollie to the wing to make space and, for me, that's a fucking shit decision. Comparing the value of our bench to that of a club that has been a champions league regular for the last decade just to justify wanting to sign abraham is weird, as I've said before the comparison has to be to Leicester right now, they're us with a few years of experience.

[Holy Trinity]

Problem is, why would Tammy want to exchange one bench for another. That doesn’t make sense plus, he is already a good enough player to start matches.

I'll confess, this puzzling me, too.

This is the key for me, we're not paying £40m for him to sit on the bench so if he comes in we move Ollie to the wing to make space and, for me, that's a fucking shit decision. Comparing the value of our bench to that of a club that has been a champions league regular for the last decade just to justify wanting to sign abraham is weird, as I've said before the comparison has to be to Leicester right now, they're us with a few years of experience.

I dont think for 1 second we will pay 40 mil for him. More like 30 plus bonuses. But I do think he would be a great addition to an already strong dressing room

[cdbearsfan]

If we already had a top six starting eleven, the key component of which didn't look like leaving, I would understand £40m on an off-the-bench poacher type, even if he wasn't a starter in the minds of most. The fact is we have a lot of work to do on the team this summer even if Jack stays, and while we're officially Fackin' Minted M8, we still don't have infinite money and I just think there are better solutions and other priorities.

We do have a top six starting eleven. We were near Champions League standard with Grealish. He is one of two players that were irreplaceable, the other being Watkins. We have taken steps to ensure we aren't so fucked over again if Grealish gets injured next year, but we would still be totally buggered if something happened to Watkins. We need a top class striker to cover for/compete with him, Abraham fits the bill. We also need to take more points from losing positions, and more attacking options on the bench will make that more likely. A goal every 128 minutes is, let's be honest, a lot better than Wesley or Davis are ever going to manage.

[Monty]

I think the denial that Jack is likely to leave is also colouring a lot of the views on Tammy. For me, I think he's out the door.

[frank black]

£40 million is just senti-Mental…

I like Tammy, but he scores one in 3/4 chances and I can’t see him being entirely happy on the bench.