Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.

[Lastfootstamper]

Isn't talk about being better than Davies slightly meaningless?

If opinion is that Davies never scores / isn't anywhere near good enough, then "better than Davies" is setting the bar so low, it's on the ground.

When we were not doing so well last season and there'd be an outcry to change things, I'd look at our bench and wonder why, because there was generally fuck-all on there that could improve us. Spending money on perpetuating that seems like a big fat waste of money to me. If we're going to buy anyone, let them be at least good enough to really threaten the man in possession for his shirt.

[cdbearsfan]

The reality is right now I'd rather have Chris Wood or Josh King on the bench than Wesley or Davies.  Neither would be my first choice and the money suggested for Wood is utterly ridiculous, but if we're after affordable squad depth and Smith is happy with attitude etc, then it would be ok by me.

We don't need to worry about "affordable", we haven't done in three years.

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[chrisw1]

Isn't talk about being better than Davies slightly meaningless?

If opinion is that Davies never scores / isn't anywhere near good enough, then "better than Davies" is setting the bar so low, it's on the ground.

When we were not doing so well last season and there'd be an outcry to change things, I'd look at our bench and wonder why, because there was generally fuck-all on there that could improve us. Spending money on perpetuating that seems like a big fat waste of money to me. If we're going to buy anyone, let them be at least good enough to really threaten the man in possession for his shirt.

When we were not doing so well last season and there was an outcry to change things, I'd have liked to have been able to chuck Chris Wood or Josh King on to try and grab us a goal.

[Matt C]

We were linked with King last summer too weren’t we? Think he can play centrally or wide. On a free as back-up, proven he can score goals in the PL (albeit not last year), you can make sense of it.

[sickbeggar]

Villa linked with Tosin  Adarabioya. 10m.


https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-news-adarabioyo-20781181

[eamonn]

Would rather Lewis Grabban back than Joshua King.

[algy]

As nice as it would be, I don't think that at this stage of our development we can expect every single signing to be a £30m+ first teamer. Josh King wouldn't be near the top of my list for "must have" players, but as an upgrade for the bench over the likes of Davis, I wouldn't say no.

Josh King
2012/13 - Hull (Championship) - played 18, scored 1 - age 20
2013/14 - Blackburn (Championship) - played 16, scored 2 - age 21
2014/15 - Blackburn - played 32, scored 2 - age 22
2015/16 - Blackburn - played 16, scored 1 - age 23

Keinan Davis
2017/18 - Villa (Championship) - played 28, scored 2 - age 20
2018/19 - Villa - played 5, scored 0 - age 21
2019/20 - Villa (Premier League) - played 18, scored 0 - age 22
2020/21 - Villa - played 15, scored 1 - age 23

I mean you can argue about whether it’s better to have scored 6 times in 82 games in the Championship or 3 times in 56 games in the Premier League and Championship combined, but I’d still say that at the same age there wasn’t an awful lot of difference, they’re probably about as good as each other, and Davis will likely be an awful lot cheaper. He also has resale value, which realistically King doesn’t.

Not at all against us bringing in another striker, but I think it should improve the squad and I really don’t think that Josh King will do that to any great extent.

[OCD]

How many of those appearances are coming off the bench in the last few minutes and how many are starts?

[chrisw1]

As nice as it would be, I don't think that at this stage of our development we can expect every single signing to be a £30m+ first teamer. Josh King wouldn't be near the top of my list for "must have" players, but as an upgrade for the bench over the likes of Davis, I wouldn't say no.

Josh King
2012/13 - Hull (Championship) - played 18, scored 1 - age 20
2013/14 - Blackburn (Championship) - played 16, scored 2 - age 21
2014/15 - Blackburn - played 32, scored 2 - age 22
2015/16 - Blackburn - played 16, scored 1 - age 23

Keinan Davis
2017/18 - Villa (Championship) - played 28, scored 2 - age 20
2018/19 - Villa - played 5, scored 0 - age 21
2019/20 - Villa (Premier League) - played 18, scored 0 - age 22
2020/21 - Villa - played 15, scored 1 - age 23

I mean you can argue about whether it’s better to have scored 6 times in 82 games in the Championship or 3 times in 56 games in the Premier League and Championship combined, but I’d still say that at the same age there wasn’t an awful lot of difference, they’re probably about as good as each other, and Davis will likely be an awful lot cheaper. He also has resale value, which realistically King doesn’t.

Not at all against us bringing in another striker, but I think it should improve the squad and I really don’t think that Josh King will do that to any great extent.

I don't think anybody is saying King is the answer to our prayers.  And we're not looking at King from 6 years ago nor as an investment, just whether he would add something to the squad next season as a cheap option if we need t spend our funds elsewhere.  If that was the choice, some people are saying they'd rather have King on the bench than Keinan.  But it's all academeic, I'm pretty sure we're not in for him (or Wood) anyway.

[eamonn]

How many of those appearances are coming off the bench in the last few minutes and how many are starts?

Fcuk all. Keinan has had one run in the team at Ch'ship level four years ago. We need to sell or loan him out. With Wesley back and us possibly after another striker, Davis is just never going to start. I understand why Dean keeps him and rates him as he has attributes lacking in our squad but for his own good, he needs to be starting week in-out.

[ROBBO]

Remember agents are casting their nets looking for all players on their books who have been let go, for me it's a non starter.

[sickbeggar]

Davis should have been developed as a AM.  He makes a contribution there. Playing him as a front man was never going to work. He's not one.

[Mister E]

I'd be questioning why Everton, a team we should be aiming to finish above next season, couldn't get rid quickly enough. It's a no from me. I mean I'd rather have him that Chris Wood but that's like saying I'd rather be punched in the stomach than kicked in the bollocks.

Agree with the analogy and the sentiment.
Wood and King both seem to me to be MON-type signings.
We should be buying someone who can challenge Watkins for a place in the side or be complementary to him when brought on. We should be able to rest Watkins for some games, knowing that the alternative is as least as effective. We should be seeking to make the opposition's job of working us out just a little more difficult.
I don't believe now is the right to bring in fillers.

[chrisw1]

I agree with you E.  But a hypothetical question, if we use all of our budget up on Buendia and, say, JWP and maybe a back up fullback - would you rather go into next season with Wes & Keinan as back up or Wes & King?

[Drummond]

I agree with you E.  But a hypothetical question, if we use all of our budget up on Buendia and, say, JWP and maybe a back up fullback - would you rather go into next season with Wes & Keinan as back up or Wes & King?

I'd go with Davis. He's going to come good.